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Oskorei
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 10:39 AM
Many, or even most, people in the satanist BM milieu, seems to be more or less racist. I was wondering if there is some group or book that combines Satanism (not of the LaVey-type) with a more well-thought racism?

Moody
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 04:42 PM
I know of a group called 'The Order of the Nine Angles' [ONA] who combined Satanism and National Socialism.
It is rumoured that the group was the brain-child of David Myatt who used the name 'Anton Long' for these purposes.
Links to ONA are a bit unstable;

http://ona.satanicwebsites.com/

A related group is Temple Eighty Eight [TEMPLE88]; see this link;

temple88.cjb.net

I believe that both groups are the same as this logo suggests;

http://ona.satanicwebsites.com/graphics/temple88.gif

Here are some more ONA links - they are bit dodgy in some cases;

http://members.easyspace.com/oww/satan/Satanism/Ona/Ona.htm

http://sinisterpath.greatnow.com

http://sinisterpath.greatnow.com/onaenglish/satanic_way_of_living_anton_long.htm

http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/Satanism/00000016.htm

Prince Eugen
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 06:04 PM
In my humble oppinion satanism is another judeocentric occult like christianity for that reason i 'm oppose to that jewish theories.
Don't forget Anton LaVey was a jew and a CIA agent.
Satan is jahoba child like jesus.
If we want to oppose to judeochristianity we have our own pagan tradition!!!

Moody
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 06:20 PM
In my humble oppinion satanism is another judeocentric occult like christianity for that reason i 'm oppose to that jewish theories.
Don't forget Anton LaVey was a jew and a CIA agent.
Satan is jahoba child like jesus.
If we want to oppose to judeochristianity we have our own pagan tradition!!!

I agree with you about Anton LaVey, but what do you think of the Temple 88 site?
www.temple88.cjb.net
That strikes me as very Aryan.

If you view Christianity as a PERVERSION of Aryan ways [and there is some good arguments to that effect], then let us reclaim what is ours.
Let not the Jew make things of ours FORBIDDEN by his perversion of them.

Prince Eugen
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 06:47 PM
It's a great site :) even i disagree with their point of view.
I have no problem with White christians who put Nation and Race number1 priority.I believe religion is something personal!

Oskorei
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 07:43 PM
I know of a group called 'The Order of the Nine Angles' [ONA] who combined Satanism and National Socialism.
It is rumoured that the group was the brain-child of David Myatt who used the name 'Anton Long' for these purposes.
Links to ONA are a bit unstable;

http://ona.satanicwebsites.com/
Thanks, their "Aryan Epic" was actually very beautiful.

Oskorei
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 07:55 PM
In my humble oppinion satanism is another judeocentric occult like christianity for that reason i 'm oppose to that jewish theories.
Don't forget Anton LaVey was a jew and a CIA agent.
Satan is jahoba child like jesus.
If we want to oppose to judeochristianity we have our own pagan tradition!!!
I agree about the satanism of Lavey, it is semitic (even though Lavey was a Nazi-fetischist, he only understood certain aspects of NS, for example the elitism and realpolitik but not the spirituality or the blood and soil).

However, in traditional western satanism and BM satanism, I think many features of Wotan/Odin survived or resurfaced. Odin is in our blood so to speak, and it will out even when we aren't even aware of the old gods names.

Loki
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 08:03 PM
In my opinion, "Identity Satanism" is - for northern Europeans - far more acceptable than so-called Christian Identity.

As Oskorei has said, Satanism has many parallels with ancient Germanic myths. Loki, for example, is often equated with Lucifer.

Excellent thread, Oskorei!

Telperion
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 08:47 PM
I particularly enjoyed the section of the 'Inner Teachings' document that gave an overview of how to select and test various victims to determine their suitability for human sacrifice. I didn't realize they put such effort into it. Brings to mind Raskolnikov from Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment.

Oskorei
Monday, May 10th, 2004, 12:01 PM
In my opinion, "Identity Satanism" is - for northern Europeans - far more acceptable than so-called Christian Identity.
I agree 100%. Their Yahweh has many Odinic features (a racialist and quite furious wargod) that I can respect, but I think that the darker, and the individualist, sides of the Nordic race are better captured by both Wotan and Satan. After all, our ancestors were lupercali and berserkers ;)




As Oskorei has said, Satanism has many parallels with ancient Germanic myths. Loki, for example, is often equated with Lucifer.

Excellent thread, Oskorei!
Exactly. I dont think it's a coincidence that Milton, who really developed the figure of Lucifer, was Aryan ;)

Thanks :)

rhadley
Tuesday, May 11th, 2004, 05:49 AM
I know of a group called 'The Order of the Nine Angles' [ONA] who combined Satanism and National Socialism.
It is rumoured that the group was the brain-child of David Myatt who used the name 'Anton Long' for these purposes.
Links to ONA are a bit unstable;

http://ona.satanicwebsites.com/

A related group is Temple Eighty Eight [TEMPLE88]; see this link;

temple88.cjb.net

I believe that both groups are the same as this logo suggests;

http://ona.satanicwebsites.com/graphics/temple88.gif

Here are some more ONA links - they are bit dodgy in some cases;

http://members.easyspace.com/oww/satan/Satanism/Ona/Ona.htm

http://sinisterpath.greatnow.com

http://sinisterpath.greatnow.com/onaenglish/satanic_way_of_living_anton_long.htm

http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/Satanism/00000016.htm


Try also

http://www.qulabe.co.uk/ona/

For more on Myatt and the ONA see Goodrick-Clarke's Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism, and the Politics of Identity (New York University Press, 2002 AD)

Again in relation to Myatt, he denies any and all "satanic involement" although this has been said - quite rightly in my view:


"I feel that Myatt designed this quasi-occult system in order to draw certain kinds of strong-Willed individuals to The Cause, much the same as W[hite] P[ower] music has greatly bolstered the ranks over the years. Myatt has been a "do-er" instead of a talker, and I believe he intends to get the job done by whatever means at his disposal. His gift is not so much his profound thinking (although some of his output is [that] indeed) but rather the emotional quality of his words, and the explosive personalities he is breeding."

rhadley
Tuesday, May 11th, 2004, 05:56 AM
In my humble oppinion satanism is another judeocentric occult like christianity for that reason i 'm oppose to that jewish theories.
Don't forget Anton LaVey was a jew and a CIA agent.
Satan is jahoba child like jesus.
If we want to oppose to judeochristianity we have our own pagan tradition!!!


Very true and well said.


BUT - if certain "forms" or ways can be used to subvert ZOG from within as part of a campaign to, well, subvert ZOG, so much the better for us in our quest to destroy ZOG.

Any means are surely justified.

Grimr
Friday, August 20th, 2004, 12:33 AM
Don't forget Anton LaVey was a jew and a CIA agent.

Le Vey whose real name was Levy was a quarter Jewish and his children don't look at all Jewish.


Satan is jahoba child like jesus.

Yes however Satan is the one that rebelled against God and Jesus and the Character of Satan derives from many White cultures that pre-date Christianity.


If we want to oppose to judeochristianity we have our own pagan tradition!!!

Yes I agree however you could argue that like the Druids were the origonal Satanists because they where the first people to create a form of Satan of which to worship.

Phlegethon
Friday, August 20th, 2004, 07:45 PM
I know of a group called 'The Order of the Nine Angles' [ONA] who combined Satanism and National Socialism.
They also combine it with homosexuality.

rhadley
Saturday, August 21st, 2004, 04:17 AM
They also combine it with homosexuality.


Eh? Where is the evidence for this statement????

Polaris
Saturday, August 21st, 2004, 04:40 AM
With Christianity spreading like a wildfire back whenever to was introduce, old Pagan beliefs were destroyed and old believers were forced to be converted. So there the spreading Christians took the image of the horned, Pagan god Pan and made him into 'Satan'. This non existing entity that bears the image of Pan.

Oskorei
Saturday, August 21st, 2004, 09:50 AM
With Christianity spreading like a wildfire back whenever to was introduce, old Pagan beliefs were destroyed and old believers were forced to be converted. So there the spreading Christians took the image of the horned, Pagan god Pan and made him into 'Satan'. This non existing entity that bears the image of Pan.
True, the modern Satan is a mix of Hebreic and Pagan figures.

However, there are no non existing entities, all gods and demons that have some popularity over time at least are expressions of archetypes of the common unconscious (in this case the Aryan unconscious. The Jewish Satan is not very similar to the Aryanized version).

Oskorei
Saturday, August 21st, 2004, 09:57 AM
They also combine it with homosexuality.
Do you have any sources for this?

I read a lot about the ONA over the years and never encountered any indications of such activities.

Then again I wouldnt be very surprised, parts of magical practice involves anathema, much like some Indian mystics during initiation has intercourse with a girl of forbidden caste or eats meat. So it wouldnt necessarily make the ONA gays.

Grimr
Sunday, August 22nd, 2004, 12:16 PM
The most annoying and incompatible thing with White racialism seems to be the fact that Satanists believe in Magik and they delude themselves with attempting to talk to spiritual entities.

If the Magik nonsense works to a certain degree I am all for it however the masses of delusions that Satanists put themselves through would suggest the contrary.

green nationalist
Monday, August 23rd, 2004, 06:17 AM
The ONA were heavily featured in a long running New Zealand Occult/ Music Zine featuring Black metal and Satanism which was called "Key Of Alocer"

The editor of this zine became a Homosexual and then continued to become a transvestite. However other than this "Fags" interest in the ONA there is nothing so far to convince me the ONA themselves were gay but I will dig deeper.

needless to say this form of NS satanism has converted hundreds if not thousands of young people to the WN movement so it cant be all that bad.

Thor_
Saturday, September 4th, 2004, 07:27 PM
Satanism is a fairy tale of the Christians! It s a other word for Odinist or Celtics!They would make fear with the Hell (They mean Valhalla) so that the people change her believes!

green nationalist
Saturday, September 4th, 2004, 07:41 PM
Satanism is a fairy tale of the Christians! It s a other word for Odinist or Celtics!They would make fear with the Hell (They mean Valhalla) so that the people change her believes!
I dont think any rational human can believe in Valhalla or the celtic otherworld, religion is a fairytale. As a elitist SUPERmoral life code, neo-satanism provides the answer and fillls the void. Believing not in supernatural beings, deities etc but in "potential" and understanding "Natural Order" "Social Darwinism" and in a panaryan Racial sense "National Socialism" the need for self presevation brings the satanist to NS and Wp. I believe that there are few if any "Real" mud satanists.

Oskorei
Saturday, September 4th, 2004, 09:06 PM
I dont think any rational human can believe in Valhalla or the celtic otherworld, religion is a fairytale. As a elitist SUPERmoral life code, neo-satanism provides the answer and fillls the void. Believing not in supernatural beings, deities etc but in "potential" and understanding "Natural Order" "Social Darwinism" and in a panaryan Racial sense "National Socialism" the need for self presevation brings the satanist to NS and Wp. I believe that there are few if any "Real" mud satanists.
I consider myself rational and I believe in Valhalla. Not literally of course, but as a way of explaining one of the potential states that we can enter after death.

The plebs enter Hades or Hel, that is, a lowenergy realm where they become shadows and dissolve. The heroes enter Valhalla, that is a highenergy realm, and the real lowlifes enter Hell or Tartaros, where they are tormented by themselves. This makes sense since these different afterdeathstates are described in all religious traditions, there must be some truth behind this.

However I agree that there are few mud satanists. Most are Jews and Whites.

green nationalist
Sunday, September 5th, 2004, 06:42 AM
I consider myself rational and I believe in Valhalla. Not literally of course, but as a way of explaining one of the potential states that we can enter after death..What way do you believe in valhalla if not literally? Is it how the living remember us? Is a spiritual transmografication? or what?

A potential state we all enter however is a state of nothingness, mother nature provides us with a need for self preservation and so we secure the existance of our race etc.. but other than that we end up dead, gone, i believe the soul dies with the body.



However I agree that there are few mud satanists. Most are Jews and Whites.
ouch.... low blow:-O

Thor_
Sunday, September 5th, 2004, 01:18 PM
I dont think any rational human can believe in Valhalla or the celtic otherworld, religion is a fairytale. As a elitist SUPERmoral life code, neo-satanism provides the answer and fillls the void. Believing not in supernatural beings, deities etc but in "potential" and understanding "Natural Order" "Social Darwinism" and in a panaryan Racial sense "National Socialism" the need for self presevation brings the satanist to NS and Wp. I believe that there are few if any "Real" mud satanists.
I think you have in many points right!But which means elitist can you exactly explain it?

Oskorei
Sunday, September 5th, 2004, 02:11 PM
What way do you believe in valhalla if not literally? Is it how the living remember us? Is a spiritual transmografication? or what?

A potential state we all enter however is a state of nothingness, mother nature provides us with a need for self preservation and so we secure the existance of our race etc.. but other than that we end up dead, gone, i believe the soul dies with the body.



ouch.... low blow:-O
It is a spiritual transmogrification. Probably followed by reincarnation, at least for those who do not end up in Hel/Hades.

I believe more in those who actually have experience from other states of existence (ie. Shamans, mystics and those who have haf near-death-experiences) than I do in those that merely repeat atheist mantras. I dont believe that the soul dies with the body, but for now none of us knows for sure ;)

For Jews and Whites being most frequent as Satanists, it wasnt meant as a low blow, Jews are closely related to us and some of them may have come to valid conclusions about the universe. However, they will probably have a hard time understanding our spirituality, Blut und Boden and such things.

green nationalist
Sunday, September 5th, 2004, 07:00 PM
I think you have in many points right!But which means elitist can you exactly explain it? Elitism is the belief that the strongest and most fit rule over the weak and unfit. Social Darwinism is a example.

Communism, liberalism and democracy are not elitist as they promote equality. national socialism and satanism, which I believe as elitist, promote the will to power, competition among the people so that the strongest rule and the weak serve, a natural order.

green nationalist
Sunday, September 5th, 2004, 07:03 PM
It is a spiritual transmogrification. Probably followed by reincarnation, at least for those who do not end up in Hel/Hades.

I believe more in those who actually have experience from other states of existence (ie. Shamans, mystics and those who have haf near-death-experiences) than I do in those that merely repeat atheist mantras. I dont believe that the soul dies with the body, but for now none of us knows for sure ;)

For Jews and Whites being most frequent as Satanists, it wasnt meant as a low blow, Jews are closely related to us and some of them may have come to valid conclusions about the universe. However, they will probably have a hard time understanding our spirituality, Blut und Boden and such things.
Indeed Blood and soil would be a alien concept to the jew however it is not a Satanic concept more a NS utopia, which can be realised one day I hope.

And true I agree, nobody knows for sure whats in store after we "snuff it":D

diabloblanco92
Thursday, June 9th, 2005, 05:13 AM
Many, or even most, people in the satanist BM milieu, seems to be more or less racist. I was wondering if there is some group or book that combines Satanism (not of the LaVey-type) with a more well-thought racism?

There are Satanic WNBM bands like Crimson Moon that considert hemselves WN Satanic. But as you know the great majority in that genre are more traditional Heathen.
I had a fair number of WN Satanists in My Yahoo Groups a few years back who rejected Laveys pure hedonism for a more refined natural law approach which essentially observed that for racialists it was not consistent to support a Lavey approach because it if followed literally destroyed the source of pleasure and fufillment, our racial identity.
Another Satanic or Quasi-Satanic racialist school was reoresented by the old Evilmusic site and www.anus.com but this was as much misanthropic and nihilist as it was racialist, and the collapse of this segment was rather understandable since the 2 are not really consiatent. It was called "Hessianism and seemed to have few adherents over 15. I have not the foggiest clue why it was called "Hessianism"

diabloblanco92
Thursday, June 9th, 2005, 05:15 AM
I know of a group called 'The Order of the Nine Angles' [ONA] who combined Satanism and National Socialism.
It is rumoured that the group was the brain-child of David Myatt who used the name 'Anton Long' for these purposes.
Links to ONA are a bit unstable;

http://ona.satanicwebsites.com/

A related group is Temple Eighty Eight [TEMPLE88]; see this link;

temple88.cjb.net

I believe that both groups are the same as this logo suggests;

http://ona.satanicwebsites.com/graphics/temple88.gif

Here are some more ONA links - they are bit dodgy in some cases;

http://members.easyspace.com/oww/satan/Satanism/Ona/Ona.htm

http://sinisterpath.greatnow.com

http://sinisterpath.greatnow.com/onaenglish/satanic_way_of_living_anton_long.htm

http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/Satanism/00000016.htm

Did not know that he OONA was connected to Myatt. He was the same guy that professed Islam for awhile

Oskorei
Thursday, June 9th, 2005, 07:17 PM
There are Satanic WNBM bands like Crimson Moon that considert hemselves WN Satanic. But as you know the great majority in that genre are more traditional Heathen.
I had a fair number of WN Satanists in My Yahoo Groups a few years back who rejected Laveys pure hedonism for a more refined natural law approach which essentially observed that for racialists it was not consistent to support a Lavey approach because it if followed literally destroyed the source of pleasure and fufillment, our racial identity.
Another Satanic or Quasi-Satanic racialist school was reoresented by the old Evilmusic site and www.anus.com (http://www.anus.com) but this was as much misanthropic and nihilist as it was racialist, and the collapse of this segment was rather understandable since the 2 are not really consiatent. It was called "Hessianism and seemed to have few adherents over 15. I have not the foggiest clue why it was called "Hessianism"
Interesting. My approach towards Laveyanism is that it is a good stage in personal development, especially for getting rid of some pro-weakness and egalitarianist illusions common in most modern Christianity, but it is a stage that should be left after a while, moving on to new and more productive/positive ideals. Laveyanism lacks a concept of honour, which makes it inconsistent with the Germanic (and Aryan ;)) nature in the long run (as pointed out by Varg Vikernes several times). We also agree on nihilism and racialism being hard to forge a synthesis of, nihilism is a phase on the road to racialism for the differentiated individual (for the non-differentiated individual it is a phase on the road to degeneration and destruction).

About Myatt and Long of ONA being the same person I have never seen conclusive evidence for this, it could be just a myth. Both are original thinkers though, so I wouldn't be totally surprised.

Mjölnir
Thursday, June 9th, 2005, 08:44 PM
NS and Satanism have nothing to do within. The Satanism was not allowed in the Third Reich and prohibited by law.


Interesting as it was the black order ( a satanic order ) who trained Himmler in the occult and gave him his interest in Swatsika cults

Fenris
Friday, July 1st, 2005, 02:01 AM
Phlegethon, I found no indications of required homosexuality in the texts of the ONA, though they did make mention of what to do in the rare instance of two homosexuals wishing to perform a rite intended for a male and female. Granted, racial awareness was heavy in the ONA's scripture, but when you take a look at the more mainstream books published by D.W. Myatt (aka Christos Beest, possibly aka Anton Long), it is unsurprising.

Also, in my opinion and from my study of LaVey's works, LaVeyan Satanism wasn't so much designed as the antithesis of judeochristianity as a philosophy of transcendence and honour, with the connotations of Satan and Hell tacked on to thumb the proverbial nose at "polite society." Take for example the suggestion of wearing a skullcap, fake horns and a cape when introducing non-adherents to your rites and rituals. Also see the video "A Tour of the Black House," where he hammed it up as was in keeping with his circus origins.

LaVey was a showman, and he threaded elements of parody and suggested the lampooning of common concensus many times, and concluded his promotional video with a pair of ceramic "big grin" teeth and a solo on a Wurlitzer.

Arno
Friday, July 1st, 2005, 08:53 AM
This is a nice topic, I am very interested in. First of all, I think, that satanism as a term must be explained preceeding discussion. Satanism might be understood as the 'thelemic' way, this means, there is no higher value than the freedom of man and no reference to any god. Another form of sanatism is the ritual one, where God becomes substituted by its "black" opponent. In this practice of ritual satanism, sexual acts might become important, especially the homosexual intercourse.

Without any doubt, there is a relationship between satanism and ns. I do not refer to history. We see satanic groups as well as satanic individuals that locate themselves in the tradition of nationalsocialism, regarding Hitler as inspired by Lucifer and the SS as the troup of 'Armageddon'. In someone's people belief, Hitler has been choosen out to introduce the new aeon of the 'Antichrist'. Also the symbol of the black sun, by referring to its symbolic religious contents, was seen as the black and graceless opposite to christianity. Further discussion should focus on similar ideas of satanism and nationalsocialism with regard on society, f. e. the importance of superiority, power, the right of the stronger to suppress the weaker, the lack of any other higher ethic principles that might control and inhibit these ideas.

fms panzerfaust
Sunday, July 3rd, 2005, 02:04 AM
Satanism turns into something laughable if the importance of heresy is not recognized. Actual heresy is sexual abstinence, at least in Brazil, where sex is not only fashion, but turns into a dogma. Say this to a "satanist" and he will insult you.
I can say that 90% of self declared "satanists" are a bunch of gothic retards that, in a lack of something more productive to do to themselves, turns to crowleyish distortions promoted by mass media and that (argh!) laveyian "satanic" self-indulgence.
Real satanism, the only that I recognize, is that promoted by groups such as ONA from England and the Black Order from New Zealand, and some variations over this. The septenary system is very interesting and some parts of it can be used even if you're not a satanist.

Arno
Sunday, July 3rd, 2005, 07:03 AM
What describes "real satanism"? Let me know. What are the principles of ONA? I do not know them, even by name. Temple of Seth, OTO etc., but this group is unkown to me. Would you explain it?