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Evolved
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 12:26 AM
"Hero" GIs Abuse Elderly Iraqi Woman


uploaded 07 May 2004


U.S. Troops Mistreat Elder Iraqi woman

By SUE LEEMAN

Wed May 5, 2004: LONDON - U.S. soldiers who detained an elderly Iraqi woman last year placed a harness on her, made her crawl on all fours and rode her like a donkey, Prime Minister Tony Blair 's personal human rights envoy to Iraq said Wednesday.

The envoy, legislator Ann Clwyd, said she had investigated the claims of the woman in her 70s and believed they were true.

During five visits to Iraq in the last 18 months, Clwyd said, she stopped at British and U.S. jails, including Abu Ghraib, and questioned everyone she could about the woman's claims. But she did not say whether the people questioned included U.S. forces or commanders.

Asked for details, Clwyd said during a telephone interview with The Associated Press that she "didn't want to harp on the case because as far as I'm concerned it's been resolved."

Clwyd, 67, is a veteran politician of the governing Labour Party and a strong Blair supporter who regularly visits Iraq and reports back on issues such as human rights, the delivery of food and medical supplies to Iraqis, and Iraq's Kurdish minority. Her job as Blair's human rights envoy is unpaid and advisory.

Clwyd said the Iraqi woman was arrested in Iraq in July and accused of having links to a former member of Saddam Hussein's regime ? a charge she denied.

The abuse occurred last year in Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison and at another coalition detention center, Clwyd said.

"She was held for about six weeks without charge," the envoy told Wednesday's Evening Standard newspaper. "During that time she was insulted and told she was a donkey. A harness was put on her, and an American rode on her back."

Clwyd said the woman has recovered physically but remains traumatized.

"I am satisfied the case has now been resolved satisfactorily," the envoy told British Broadcasting Corp. radio Wednesday. "She got a visit last week from the authorities, and she is about to have her papers and jewelry returned to her."

Clwyd said she had been told about the case because the woman has relatives in Britain.

Clwyd, who said the woman did not want to be named, did not identify the American military unit involved.

Blair's office said Wednesday the envoy had not delivered her report to the prime minister yet so, therefore, it could not immediately confirm her reported findings.

Source: AP (http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=9486&TagID=2)

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 01:55 AM
This is exactly how the USA "liberates" a country. If this abuse was caught, once, that means it happened a thousand times and went undetected.

Now, we are hearing that more abuse pictures and video exists showing an Iraqi woman being raped by a US Hero and US Heros filming, and watching, as sadistic Iraqi guards rape young Iraqi boys.

Dubya is sounding more and more like a born-again-Baathist.

Evolved
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 02:07 AM
Don't 'bring our boys home', drop them in the ocean halfway there.

Mac Seafraidh
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 06:11 AM
Quite frankly, I am sick of hearing of Iraqi's being abused because I see it as a tool of advancement. I was saying in another post humiliation of the Iraqi toops vs. mutilation of our soldiers.They have probably been mutilating even more as they keep calling the shots. The Islamic regime is very comparible to Ariel Sharon's whining.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 06:50 AM
Quite frankly, I am sick of hearing of Iraqi's being abused because I see it as a tool of advancement. I was saying in another post humiliation of the Iraqi toops vs. mutilation of our soldiers.They have probably been mutilating even more as they keep calling the shots. The Islamic regime is very comparible to Ariel Sharon's whining.


Are you speaking about the mutilation of the "civillian contractors" better known by their real name, mercenaries. Let me see now, work alongside the best equiped, best trained, best supplied army in the world with 24/7 eyes in the sky, air support and helicopters just incase you get into trouble. Oh yes, and $1000.00 per day plus food and housing.

And what are you expected to do for this money? You are expected to kill, murder, citizens of that land for doing nothing more than anyone would in their shoes, object to an occupation by a corrupt foreign power. You are expected to kill people who show the slightest inclination to resist the will of the occupying force. You are to kill them without quarter even though their weapons, organization and tactics are nothing compared to what you can so easlily fall back upon. In short, you are a paid killer who is superior to your prey in everything except courage.

Do you think for one second, for one nano-second, I would give a rat's ass for this type of sub-human? I hope the Iraqis catch all these mercs and do the same to them as Dubya, and the horse the rode in on, is driven out of Iraq.

Mac Seafraidh
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 07:45 AM
You got a point, but I am putting this in the anti- flourishing of Islam manner. Iraq is a sole enemy to the US and I think of Saddam's influence in those Iraqi militants. Eastern civilization does not know anything about Western Civilization as far as I am concerned(for the most part.)These are also people that might try and flee to other nations. I don't know if what I said makes any sense I don't think I justified what I said well enough, but I hope it is understandable. It does seem incomplete.



Are you speaking about the mutilation of the "civillian contractors" better known by their real name, mercenaries. Let me see now, work alongside the best equiped, best trained, best supplied army in the world with 24/7 eyes in the sky, air support and helicopters just incase you get into trouble. Oh yes, and $1000.00 per day plus food and housing.

And what are you expected to do for this money? You are expected to kill, murder, citizens of that land for doing nothing more than anyone would in their shoes, object to an occupation by a corrupt foreign power. You are expected to kill people who show the slightest inclination to resist the will of the occupying force. You are to kill them without quarter even though their weapons, organization and tactics are nothing compared to what you can so easlily fall back upon. In short, you are a paid killer who is superior to your prey in everything except courage.

Do you think for one second, for one nano-second, I would give a rat's ass for this type of sub-human? I hope the Iraqis catch all these mercs and do the same to them as Dubya, and the horse the rode in on, is driven out of Iraq.

Awar
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 07:58 AM
Saddam Hussein's ties to Islam were weak. USA just sparked Islamism among Iraqis.
USA sparked Islamist tendencies among many other previously peaceful Islamic peoples, from Iran to Bosnia and more.

RusViking
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 05:18 PM
Are you speaking about the mutilation of the "civillian contractors" better known by their real name, mercenaries. Let me see now, work alongside the best equiped, best trained, best supplied army in the world with 24/7 eyes in the sky, air support and helicopters just incase you get into trouble. Oh yes, and $1000.00 per day plus food and housing.

And what are you expected to do for this money? You are expected to kill, murder, citizens of that land for doing nothing more than anyone would in their shoes, object to an occupation by a corrupt foreign power. You are expected to kill people who show the slightest inclination to resist the will of the occupying force. You are to kill them without quarter even though their weapons, organization and tactics are nothing compared to what you can so easlily fall back upon. In short, you are a paid killer who is superior to your prey in everything except courage.

Do you think for one second, for one nano-second, I would give a rat's ass for this type of sub-human? I hope the Iraqis catch all these mercs and do the same to them as Dubya, and the horse the rode in on, is driven out of Iraq.
Fortunately most Americans do not think the way you do.

RusViking
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 05:21 PM
Saddam Hussein's ties to Islam were weak. USA just sparked Islamism among Iraqis.
USA sparked Islamist tendencies among many other previously peaceful Islamic peoples, from Iran to Bosnia and more.
We need to break the back of that religion. Hopefully this is the beginning. Anyone that stands with weapons against this goal will die. Out culture will prevail.

RusViking
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 05:24 PM
Don't 'bring our boys home', drop them in the ocean halfway there.
This comment is treasonous.

1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=treachery)
2 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family http://www.m-w.com/images/pixt.gif

Awar
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 05:42 PM
We need to break the back of that religion. Hopefully this is the beginning. Anyone that stands with weapons against this goal will die. Out culture will prevail.

Actually, what I've seen since 1980's is just whipping Islam into a fighting form. It was in a sort of slumber in the past decades, and now it's again becoming a force to be reckoned with. USA's war in Iraq and Afghanistan hasn't broken Islam, only strengthened it.

Our, European culture is not up to the task of facing something as strong and as determined as Islam ( Islam is not only a religion, but much more ).
It's sad, but that's a fact of life.

Islam, as a culture is generally speaking, up against a bunch of individualized, effeminate Europeans or disorganized Eastern and southeastern Europeans ( destabilized thanks to USA ), and also up against USA an empire which has to constantly brainwash it's own rootless inhabitants, just to keep itself together.

RusViking
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 06:36 PM
Actually, what I've seen since 1980's is just whipping Islam into a fighting form. It was in a sort of slumber in the past decades, and now it's again becoming a force to be reckoned with. USA's war in Iraq and Afghanistan hasn't broken Islam, only strengthened it.

Our, European culture is not up to the task of facing something as strong and as determined as Islam ( Islam is not only a religion, but much more ).
It's sad, but that's a fact of life.
As I said, I hope this is the beginning of the end of radical Islam. We must deal with it or perish.


Islam, as a culture is generally speaking, up against a bunch of individualized, effeminate Europeans or disorganized Eastern and southeastern Europeans ( destabilized thanks to USA ), and also up against USA an empire which has to constantly brainwash it's own rootless inhabitants, just to keep itself together.
I don't know why you would say destabilized due to the US. And I really don't understand the brainwash thing.

Trust me when I tell you that in America there is a strong current of masculinity that tolerates by law the weak and feminine. It is White and growing stronger in remembering its roots. And we understand the threat of theocracy to our Constitution and way of life. What is coming will be either our greatest triumph or the greatest last stand of the White man and freedom.

Evolved
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 08:44 PM
Treason against this government and its policies is a duty for every free thinker on the planet. Believe it or not, in this 'land of the free' there are concentration camps across America waiting to be filled with people like me, soldiers being trained to confine US citizens therein and deny them their civil rights. The only way I'll be sent there is in a body bag.

May my death be glorious! :tea

Newgrange
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 09:00 PM
The only way I'll be sent there is in a body bag.You like Burqas, so
at least your half ready. :)

Newgrange
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 09:22 PM
Treason against this government and its policies is a duty for every free thinker on the planet. Believe it or not, in this 'land of the free' there are concentration camps across America waiting to be filled with people like me, soldiers being trained to confine US citizens therein and deny them their civil rights. The only way I'll be sent there is in a body bag.

May my death be glorious! :tea"concentration camps across America"
that is total nonsense.

Krampus
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 10:18 PM
NewGrange

"concentration camps across America"
that is total nonsense.

FEMA(Federal Emergency Management Association) keeps several facilities open as retention facilities next to railroads. Ten years ago me I flew over one of these FEMA owned facilities located in Marseilles, Illinois near the river. I have some pictures somewhere which my Father took, but you can also find them on the net easily enough. They look strikingly spartan and resemble empty Soviet work camps, there's nothing really at these places except buildings, guard towers and the like.

These FEMA camps are located sporadically throughout the US in low population areas usually next to railroads. The idea is that they would be used in an emergency in case they had to isolate people with an infectious disease or virus, politically dangerous prisoners, house homeless during emergency situations or during a mass influx of illegal immigrants. It's not a big conspiracy secret they are(FEMA) actually quite open about the purpose of these camps.

Newgrange
Sunday, May 9th, 2004, 10:44 PM
The idea is that they would be used in an emergency in case they had to isolate people with an infectious disease or virus, politically dangerous prisoners, house homeless during emergency situations or during a mass influx of illegal immigrants. A facility to help people in a time of emergency
is very different then the Commonly excepted definition
of a "concentration camp" I had in mind, a place where
people are sent to be murdered.

AK*
Monday, May 10th, 2004, 12:44 AM
A facility to help people in a time of emergency
is very different then the Commonly excepted definition
of a "concentration camp" I had in mind, a place where
people are sent to be murdered.
I should think the characteristics of the people sending you there will determine the characteristics of the camp. We have seen the zog at work, 300,000 women and children burned alive at Dresden, 100,000 mostly civilians killed or mutilated in Iraq, I would not freely submit myself to the control of the US government.

Awar
Monday, May 10th, 2004, 01:54 AM
A facility to help people in a time of emergency
is very different then the Commonly excepted definition
of a "concentration camp" I had in mind, a place where
people are sent to be murdered.

Well, it wouldn't be any fun if they actually said out loud what would be it's REAL purpose.

Newgrange
Monday, May 10th, 2004, 08:31 PM
Well, it wouldn't be any fun if they actually said out loud what would be it's REAL purpose.Should I be interned at one of these camps in the future , I will try to e-mail you AWAR to admit I was wrong :)

Oskorei
Monday, May 10th, 2004, 08:46 PM
Don't 'bring our boys home', drop them in the ocean halfway there.
That would be a very nice way to treat White kids, sent by the enemy to die in a sionist war...

Georgia
Monday, February 20th, 2006, 04:42 PM
FYI. Georgia

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/iraqis_tortured/

RusViking
Tuesday, February 21st, 2006, 12:36 AM
And your point is?