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GreenHeart
Saturday, October 28th, 2006, 07:28 PM
''If you are SEEKING ENLIGHTENMENT, Runes are one of the fastest and safest ways to deep mystical experiences, to insights in the workings of the universe and to experience on Oneness. If you want to achieve your FULLEST POTENTIAL AS A HUMAN BEING, Runic practice gives you access to the realms of creation. Runic practice is your gateway to your chakras and to your inherent psychic powers. Chances are, you may find a few more reasons why." - Karl Hans Welz (http://www.magitech.com/runes/runeyoga/Rune%20Postures.html), Grand Rune Master

This is based on the Armanen Runes. Another type of rune yoga which is based on the original 24 runes was mentioned in the book ''Futhark A Handbook of Rune Magic'' by Edred Thorsson. I recommend this book.


''As you know by now, Runes can be viewed as shape-vibrations. In other words, specific shapes can trigger their energies. Shapes, in this respect, are to be understood in a very general way. The first thing which comes into the mind when we talk about shapes, is no doubt the graphic outline of a Rune. Another shape is the mantra, which is a shape of sound. As you will learn soon, Mantras can be sung in many variations, which helps you experience the various shades of Runic energies. Similarly, you can add the shapes of "color" to the Runic symbol, or environments.

In the above, we showed you two extremes of shapes: first the graphic outline, then the sound. Those shapes may be combined, of course, which adds to the potentials of your Runic practice.

One realm of shapes, which is closely connected with, often derived from, the graphic outline of Runes, are hand-and body positions of Runes. When posing those, something from the purely graphic outline is lost, no doubt. However, if you consider the conductivity of energy of the human body, then much is gained. Hand and body positions add extremely valuable dimensions to your Runic practice. Especially when those positions are practiced in a ceremonial set-up, by several persons, each person perhaps representing one specific Rune, or several persons forming one single Rune.''

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, October 29th, 2006, 05:53 AM
Isn't Master Welz in the USA? I emailed him a few times with questions and he took the time to respond. He has a whole course of study. This guy is a heavy duty Arman.

Another guy with whom I was in written contact was a guy named Spieth who runs the Friedrich Bernhard Marby school of Runengymnastik. I have a book by Marby, Runenschrift Runenwort Runengymnastik which was prined by Spieth-Verlag, Stuttgart. Marby's system is sometimes called Runic Yoga. Herr Spieth answered my inquiry and went on to tell me the problems he was having with an American outfit who was supposed to be translating and publishing his book for the English speaking world. Well, I already knew how this was going to turn out. Spieth was in the process of getting riped off and there was little I could do to help him. I told him what had happened in history to Schauberger and what had happened to those who made the film: UFOs Geheimnis des Dritten Reiches which went to Cannes and was an excellent film. Sure enough, he was completely ripped off and just could not understand how this could happen to him. I tried to ease the pain and he sent me his books.

Marby's system came to him in a flash of intuition. (so did List's) Spieth warned me against practice of Marby's runic system in combination with anyone else's which he said would be harmful. This fact stopped me cold and I never went on with his system.

ArmanenPriest
Sunday, October 29th, 2006, 08:30 AM
Dr Solar Wolff,

Which system then have you actually used?
Have you purchased any of the products from the American site? I have looked at it quite a few times but it seems overl commercial to me. Before I consider using it I would prefer a recommendation by someone such as yourself.
I have Thorsson`s book which has now become a classic but I would much prefer to obtain more original source material. I have hos translation of Kummer`s work as well.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Monday, October 30th, 2006, 06:14 AM
Dr Solar Wolff,

Which system then have you actually used?
Have you purchased any of the products from the American site? I have looked at it quite a few times but it seems overl commercial to me. Before I consider using it I would prefer a recommendation by someone such as yourself.
I have Thorsson`s book which has now become a classic but I would much prefer to obtain more original source material. I have hos translation of Kummer`s work as well.

I have only practiced the methods taught to me by Greg Rowe. He is a guy way into this stuff who actually had an SS teacher. This teacher was a Balt in the Baltic division of the SS. While in Allied concentration camps, these guys exchanged information and taught each other. So, I learned the Sidr from letters he sent me. I leaned to breath the runes from him. He came out to my home for four or five days and taught me the Danubians, a system of runic excerises. Greg is also a teacher of Klima a self defense system (not the German word for Climate). He learned this via the SS man. Greg has written a book on the Danubians. I keep pushing him to get this published but we all have our own priorities.

I also was in correspondence for a brief time with Edred Thorsson, which has been mentioned and who wrote Rune Might Secret Practices of the German Rune Magicians. I thought it was a valuable book and I got quite a bit of information from it. "Thorsson" is a guy living in Atlanta, Georgia. He has a Ph.D. in German Language. Greg Rowe reports to me, however, that "Thorsson's real name is Stephen Flowers and he belongs to a prominent Jewish family in Atlanta. That took my breath away.

GreenHeart
Saturday, December 9th, 2006, 07:09 PM
So the question then is, where do we find a decent system of rune yoga?
For now I am practicing an eastern type of yoga, I can only say that it's quite effective. I am still waiting on a decent system that works with the runes though...

I had heard that Flowers was a homosexual, (I also have this book) but I didn't know he was jewish. Typical... I had practiced his system a few times but didn't have good feelings about it.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, December 10th, 2006, 07:52 AM
So the question then is, where do we find a decent system of rune yoga?
For now I am practicing an eastern type of yoga, I can only say that it's quite effective. I am still waiting on a decent system that works with the runes though...

I had heard that Flowers was a homosexual, (I also have this book) but I didn't know he was jewish. Typical... I had practiced his system a few times but didn't have good feelings about it.

Before I knew he was Jewish, I corresponded with him also, but just briefly. His book was beneficial to me.

There was a thread on Wyda which is Keltic Yoga. I found two books on Wyda in a catalogue in German. They were both written by a woman with a Jewish last name (forget what it was). Recently, another book on Wyda has come out and not written by a Jew. Germanics absorbed quite a bit of Celtic culture as they went south and so this may have cultural significance for Germanics also.

Fortis_in_Arduis
Sunday, December 10th, 2006, 11:15 AM
For now I am practicing an eastern type of yoga, I can only say that it's quite effective.

What is your current practise?

Utgard-Loki
Thursday, December 14th, 2006, 02:26 AM
From what i have heard the system of Rune Yoga/ gymnastics was invented from Friedrich B. Marby and called "St÷dhur" he used the Armanen-Futhark from G. v. List. Thorson has also written a Book called "nine Gates of Midgard" which is quite popular amoung left hand magical workers. I heard the rumor of him being Jewish years ago at a TOS Forum it seems to be Truth. Despite of that some of his works are quite respected amoungh Scientists, while his books about magical teachings are regarded fictional.

kind regards

Utgard-Loki

Psychonaut
Saturday, December 16th, 2006, 01:31 AM
Greg Rowe reports to me, however, that "Thorsson's real name is Stephen Flowers and he belongs to a prominent Jewish family in Atlanta. That took my breath away.

Not to impinge upon the reputation of your friend, but both the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Flowers) on him, and the biographical sketch (http://woodharrow.com/drflowers.html) from his own web page list his birthplace as Bonham, Texas. Here is a picture:
http://www.woodharrow.com/images/198_StephenFlowersEdredThorsson.jpg
I'm not too good at anthropological taxonomy, but he doesn't look jewish to me either (I'm going to post his mug up in that forum directly after this). The only reason I bring this up is that I feel Dr. Flowers' books are among the best available on the runes, and would hate to see Skadi readers turned away from looking into his work.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Saturday, December 16th, 2006, 06:21 AM
Not to impinge upon the reputation of your friend, but both the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Flowers) on him, and the biographical sketch (http://woodharrow.com/drflowers.html) from his own web page list his birthplace as Bonham, Texas. Here is a picture:
http://www.woodharrow.com/images/198_StephenFlowersEdredThorsson.jpg
I'm not too good at anthropological taxonomy, but he doesn't look jewish to me either (I'm going to post his mug up in that forum directly after this). The only reason I bring this up is that I feel Dr. Flowers' books are among the best available on the runes, and would hate to see Skadi readers turned away from looking into his work.


I think I said in my posts that I benefited from the work of Dr. Flowers. I have one or two of his books and don't intend to throw them away. His discussion of places of power was especially good, I thought. My friend Greg is deep into this world and I am not so deep. He has given me good information on this and other matters but you certainly have the right of rebuttal. Please, tell us what you know.

Euclides
Thursday, September 13th, 2007, 02:02 PM
http://www.xtrememind.com/a_RuneYogaCourse.pdf

Frey
Monday, January 5th, 2009, 09:24 PM
I have only practiced the methods taught to me by Greg Rowe. He is a guy way into this stuff who actually had an SS teacher. This teacher was a Balt in the Baltic division of the SS. While in Allied concentration camps, these guys exchanged information and taught each other. So, I learned the Sidr from letters he sent me. I learned to breath the runes from him. He came out to my home for four or five days and taught me the Danubians, a system of runic excerises. Greg is also a teacher of Klima a self defense system (not the German word for Climate). He learned this via the SS man. Greg has written a book on the Danubians. I keep pushing him to get this published but we all have our own priorities.

Hi Dr Solar Wolff,
Could you explain a little about what the Danubian runic exercises are? Are they a series of Runic body postures that combine together specific breathing methods for the runes? Does the Klima self-defense system also relate to the runic postures/exercises?
Frey...

Frey
Wednesday, January 7th, 2009, 10:16 AM
Hi All,
These systems are also know by other names such as as 'Rune Yoga', 'Rune Gymnastics' and Rune Stances.
These rune body postures are used in systems created by Marby, Kummer, Spiesberger, The Hafskjold family of Norway (Stav), Jan Fries and Edred Thorsson (aka Stephen Flowers). These systems (apart from Stav which has unknown date of orign) were created in diffferent parts of the 20th century. There is plenty of information on the various systems mentioned above, however I looking for information on other systems outside those mentioned above that may of existed or are still practised.
I am also looking for any publications on Rune Body Postures that pre-date Marby's publications.
I am also looking for any other system of Rune Body Postures that is used for martial purposes other than Stav which I already know about.
Regards Frey

Blood_Axis
Wednesday, January 7th, 2009, 10:41 AM
I think there's a discussion that might interest you here (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=80829) :)

Frey
Thursday, January 8th, 2009, 10:46 AM
Thank you for your reply. However the thread you refer too, which I had already checked out before posting my thread contains no new information from what I aready know. I am seeking to find other systems of rune body postures, other than those which are already known of, which were the ones I mentioned in my last post.
Regards Frey

L÷wenherz
Thursday, January 8th, 2009, 09:59 PM
I went and checked out Stav (best I could) after reading this and the other thread, and downloaded some print materials to check out.

Meanwhile, Frey, what do you like the best of the systems you're familiar with so far? And are you looking for new information because you are dissatisfied with the systems you've investigated so far, or just to be thorough and see what else is out there?

Frey
Friday, January 9th, 2009, 11:35 AM
Hi Lowenherz,
All the systems that I mentioned in my first posts have their merits depending on what interests you as a individual and what you are looking to gain out of using rune body postures as part of rune practices. Some are geared for different rune systems eg. Stav - (Younger Futhark) Edred Thorrson/ Jan Fries (Elder Futhark) Kummer/ Spiesberger - (Armanen Futhark) Marby - 33 Rune Futhark often called the Anglo-Saxon Futhark.

My interest in other systems is for research into the history of the subject. That is why I asked the question if anyone knew of any other systems outside the ones I posted.
My personal preference is Stav but that does not make it any better than any other systems mentioned, its just my preference.
Regards Frey

L÷wenherz
Friday, January 9th, 2009, 07:03 PM
Makes sense. Stav is the one I'm checking into at this point, and I am too new at this to even know what I'm looking for at this point. Certainly nothing specific. More like doing a little open-minded exploring and seeing what I can find.

What is it about Stav that makes it your personal preference? (Or what is it about your personal use of rune postures that makes Stav the best fit?)

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Now that I reflect a bit, I can add that my interest is migrating from several years of martial arts practice into yoga and maybe from there to western martial arts and posture exercises, based on my emerging interest in my family/tribal heritage. In other words, my interest in mind-body training is (r)evolving from facing east to facing west.

Frey
Friday, January 9th, 2009, 10:34 PM
What is it about Stav that makes it your personal preference? (Or what is it about your personal use of rune postures that makes Stav the best fit?)
Stav fits in with my overall interest in mind-body systems that are internally based e.g. Tai Chi Chuan, Bagua, Xing-Yi e.t.c. Stav also fits in with my own cultural roots. If you are interested in learning more about the system I suggest the following sites:

http://www.stavrunor.se/stavintl/
http://www.stavinternational.org/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stav-web/
http://au.youtube.com/user/frey2712
http://au.youtube.com/user/yngvefreyr

Dodenknoop
Saturday, January 10th, 2009, 08:56 PM
Please stop this wishfull thinking about rune-yoga, it doesn't excist. You dishonour the runes!

Do you think our ancesters did every morning some silly yoga before they started their household and farming jobs?

:thumbdown

Psychonaut
Saturday, January 10th, 2009, 09:16 PM
Please stop this wishfull thinking about rune-yoga, it doesn't excist. You dishonour the runes!

Do you think our ancesters did every morning some silly yoga before they started their household and farming jobs?

:thumbdown

Rune "yoga" is probably a misnomer. However, there is some evidence that leads s to believe that Runic postures were used. Take, for instance, the Golden Horn of Gallehus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_horns_of_Gallehus) which show people posing in Runic postures:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Guldhornene.jpg

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~catshaman/23erils2/angelhorn.GIF

Dodenknoop
Sunday, January 11th, 2009, 05:39 PM
Possible, but I'm still a non-believer! ;)

If I show you some pictures of my cats ... they do Rune Yoga too! :D

L÷wenherz
Monday, January 12th, 2009, 05:32 AM
Stav fits in with my overall interest in mind-body systems that are internally based e.g. Tai Chi Chuan, Bagua, Xing-Yi e.t.c. Stav also fits in with my own cultural roots. If you are interested in learning more about the system I suggest the following sites:

http://www.stavrunor.se/stavintl/
http://www.stavinternational.org/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stav-web/
http://au.youtube.com/user/frey2712
http://au.youtube.com/user/yngvefreyr
Thanks much! Very helpful.

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Do you think our ancesters did every morning some silly yoga before they started their household and farming jobs?
I wouldn't know. I don't see, though, how it would dishonor the runes to find new manifestations of their existence/power/substance, or how it would dishonor our ancestors to expand upon their early knowledge. Maybe they didn't exercise. Maybe they never connected the runes to body postures. But along the way apparently someone did, and it seems to me that at this point, the main question should be "has someone learned a valid new application for the ancient wisdom?", rather than "was this being done a thousand years ago?".

Wuotans Krieger
Sunday, December 16th, 2018, 12:34 AM
I have only practiced the methods taught to me by Greg Rowe. He is a guy way into this stuff who actually had an SS teacher. This teacher was a Balt in the Baltic division of the SS. While in Allied concentration camps, these guys exchanged information and taught each other. So, I learned the Sidr from letters he sent me. I leaned to breath the runes from him. He came out to my home for four or five days and taught me the Danubians, a system of runic excerises. Greg is also a teacher of Klima a self defense system (not the German word for Climate). He learned this via the SS man. Greg has written a book on the Danubians. I keep pushing him to get this published but we all have our own priorities.

I also was in correspondence for a brief time with Edred Thorsson, which has been mentioned and who wrote Rune Might Secret Practices of the German Rune Magicians. I thought it was a valuable book and I got quite a bit of information from it. "Thorsson" is a guy living in Atlanta, Georgia. He has a Ph.D. in German Language. Greg Rowe reports to me, however, that "Thorsson's real name is Stephen Flowers and he belongs to a prominent Jewish family in Atlanta. That took my breath away.

I realise that this is an old post and Solar Wolff is no longer active on this forum but this accusation is absolute crap. There is no evidence whatsoever to support the notion that Edred is Jewish. It is a pity that he wasn't challenged more strongly over this remark.

Ravenrune
Sunday, December 16th, 2018, 01:18 AM
I haven't read this whole thread but I must point out that the word "yoga" does not only mean physical yoga which we in the western world may assume is what "yoga" means.

There are many yogas in India ... some are "thinking yogas" ... some are religious ... one is physical which in the west we associate with classes mostly women in wonderfully tight stretchy pants go to hehe.

But anyway .... you should look up what "Yoga" means fully .... it's related to "Yoke" as in what two oxen are paired with which possibly relates to the saying of Jesus "My Yoke (yoga) is easy, and my burden is light) ~ a form of Bhakti Yoga - attach to an avatar of the divine.


Just wanted to point that out.


In some way, the myth of Odin hanging from Yggdrasil is a kind of 'yoking' or union to the divine source ...

Any activity or substance or philosophy which joins your mind onto a higher realm of thought may be considered a kind of "Yoga".


If anyone here simply sees the word "yoga" and thinks of classes of people doing physical stretches ......... they are lacking in full understanding and do not know the meaning of the word "yoga".