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maymon
Friday, December 19th, 2008, 04:10 PM
If often find texts here about the Dalo-Falid that states that they´re both broad-faced and long-faced, other´s that they´re short-faced and broad-faced.

Which is the general agreement? What general measurements (Cephalic Index, Facial Index, Nasal Index, height etc) does the more "purer" Dalo-Falid have?

Allenson
Friday, December 19th, 2008, 07:21 PM
If often find texts here about the Dalo-Falid that states that they´re both broad-faced and long-faced, other´s that they´re short-faced and broad-faced.

Which is the general agreement? What general measurements (Cephalic Index, Facial Index, Nasal Index, height etc) does the more "purer" Dalo-Falid have?

I would characterize the Faelid is being robust in all measurements. The difference from the Nordid is one of breadth and not length. So, in terms of facial height, the Faelid and the Nordid are similar but the face of the Faelid is considerably broader and thus, the Faelid has a lower facial index than the Nordid. The same would hold true for nasal measurements as was as cranial.

So, the Faelid is broader than the Nordid in general yet just as "long" or "high"...so, most idicies should be a bit lower than the Nordid.

For example, a typical Nordid cephalic index might be 92, where the Faelid might be 89 or 90 due to a broader skull.

Does this make any sense?

maymon
Friday, December 19th, 2008, 07:44 PM
I would characterize the Faelid is being robust in all measurements. The difference from the Nordid is one of breadth and not length. So, in terms of facial height, the Faelid and the Nordid are similar but the face of the Faelid is considerably broader and thus, the Faelid has a lower facial index than the Nordid. The same would hold true for nasal measurements as was as cranial.

So, the Faelid is broader than the Nordid in general yet just as "long" or "high"...so, most idicies should be a bit lower than the Nordid.

For example, a typical Nordid cephalic index might be 92, where the Faelid might be 89 or 90 due to a broader skull.

Does this make any sense?

Yes thanks.

Could Dalo-Falids have a facial index as low as 83-84?

What if one who looks Dalo-Falid are brachycephalic instead of dolicho-mesocephalic? Would it still be considered Dalo-Falid?

Allenson
Friday, December 19th, 2008, 07:55 PM
Yes thanks.

Could Dalo-Falids have a facial index as low as 83-84?

What if one who looks Dalo-Falid are brachycephalic instead of dolicho-mesocephalic? Would it still be considered Dalo-Falid?

I would say yes to both questions. Metrics seem to be more plastic through time than does the overall facial impression that populations give.

Agrippa
Saturday, December 20th, 2008, 02:38 AM
The standard description of a Cromagnid/Dalofaelid is that he is light pigmented, higher frequency of red hair tones, freckles, tall, robust boned, dolicho- to mesocephalic, rather low headed, has a broad face absolutely (zy-zy) and relatively (FI), a lower midface and full face, more often low and rectangular orbits, more often an external eye fold, more often broader-shorter-softer noses of relatively smaller size (in comparison to Nordid and Mediterranid as well as in comparison to the whole face) etc.

On the skull the differences between Nordid and Dalofaelid are the same as between all Aurignacoid and Cromagnoid forms:
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/791/aurcro4beyg8.th.jpg (http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aurcro4beyg8.jpg)

Two examples from the Germanic Reihengraeber of Nordoid (~Nordid) and Cromagnoid (~Dalofaelid):
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3517/killianreihengrberkq4.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=killianreihengrberkq4.jpg)

The differences are just not as extreme, which I would assume comes also from the fact, that the extreme form variants are rarely present in a pure version, especially for the Cromagnid form extreme like it being represented by the old from Cro Magnon or living individuals like Oliver Kahn.

A single trait is usually not decisive, but it would make an individual or population less typical or more likely to be mixed if having a brachycephalic headshape. Even more so today, since many mixed populatios have due to the secular changes and modification longer heads.

That way Dalofaelids today should be taller and longer headed than their ancestors rather than vice versa obviously.

Individuals and local populations could be somewhat more brachycephalic either due to modification (bad nutrition) or a change in the genpool (mixture/genflow - selection) and a combination is always possible. But as a rule Dalofaelids are have no brachycephalic CI.

Robustness is of secondary importance if comparing Aurignacoid and Cromagnoid populations, since though there are more typically Aurignacoid variants which are gracile and most gracile Cromagnoids are derivate forms (Baltised, Alpinised primarily), there exist also otherwise typically Cromagnoid forms which are rather gracile and extremely robust Aurignacoid/leptodolichomorphic Europids. Thats true for all times and to this day. Very robust Aurignacoid variants can be observed f.e. among Nordid, Iranid and Nordindid groups, in the prehistoric skeletal remains the correlation between Cromagnoid craniofacial traits and Aurignacoid ones with a certain degree of robustness is not that clear and for sure not causal. Neither for the level of robustness nor masculinity there is a clear and direct correlation, there are rather distinction inside of the respective groups (f.e. from Skandonordid to Gracilmediterranid, from Dalofaelid to reduced Baltid etc.).