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Deary
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, 05:32 PM
Barack Obama is constantly being presented and hailed as a Messiah, Savior and God-like figure while his religious views and motivations are equally suspicious. Present or dispute evidence that could suggest Barack Obama is the antichrist.

Æmeric
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, 05:41 PM
Wouldn't you have to believe in Christ to believe Obama is the anti-Christ? But in any case I think there is reason to suspect him. His uncanny rise to power (already discussed in other threads) & the way so many persons fawn over him. The Obama cult is a messianic cult but Obama is the messiah for an evil future, one of multiracialism & the embracement & celebration of anything perverse. He is the opposite (anti) of a pro-Germanic messiah. There is something evil & unnatural about the way so many Whites (remember his pre-victory tour through Europe) want to kiss the ass of the man who would lead them to their end. How many of them would drink cyanide kool-aid if Obama told them to?

And lets not forget his birth was the result of this unholy union.

http://salinecountyrepublicans.com/BarackHusseinObamaSrStanleyAnnDunham-002.jpg

What kind of woman would spread her legs & let a creature like that plant his seed in her? She must have been possessed

Teuton
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, 05:44 PM
That is actually a very interesting idea!

I think all the Christian members here(Me, AEmeric etc.) and readers of Nostradamus are going to look into this, it really sounds interesting.

Plushtar
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, 05:46 PM
Although I have abandoned the Semite philosophy a long time ago, I can easily see this as plausible. I believe that this Anti-Christ character will only bring harm to the fools that are/were quickly drawn to him.

The only counter-point I can come up with is that many people from Nero to every other historical figure has been named the Anti-Christ. But to contradict my own statement I see this as more and more likely every time a new accusation is made against someone. I don't know how this will affect my heathen philosophy, but we could be living in the last generation in which the Semites have control over the planet.

Teuton
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, 05:47 PM
Wouldn't you have to believe in Christ to believe Obama is the anti-Christ? But in any case I think there is reason to suspect him. His uncanny rise to power (already discussed in other threads) & the way so many persons fawn over him. The Obama cult is a messianic cult but Obama is the messiah for an evil future, one of multiracialism & the embracement & celebration of anything perverse. He is the opposite (anti) of a pro-Germanic messiah. There is something evil & unnatural about the way so many Whites (remember his pre-victory tour through Europe) want to kiss the ass of the man who would lead them to their end. How many of them would drink cyanide kool-aid if Obama told them to?

And lets not forget his birth was the result of this unholy union.

http://salinecountyrepublicans.com/BarackHusseinObamaSrStanleyAnnDunham-002.jpg

What kind of woman would spread her legs & let a creature like that plant his seed in her? She must have been possessed

Somehow, your post is a minute older than mine, but posted before mine.:P


You don't have to be a Christian to believe in an Anti-Christ, like I said, because Nostradamus has a large section on 3 Anti-Christs including a Muslim one.

Chlodovech
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, 06:03 PM
If Obama isn't the antichrist himself, then he's at least rubbing shoulders with the unholy one himself. Obama is the exponent of a Western culture that put its values upside down, just like its crucifixes. The blood of Germanic brothers and sisters will be spilled, unable to defend themselves in their mother's womb. The blood will be on Obama's hands.

Obama definitely has a hypnotic quality, and he learned how to speak in front of an audience from the best, and from a young age too. When Obama enters a room somewhere people will flock to him, some even fight to catch a glimpse of him, but a more common thing to see in Obama's presence is the ritual handshaking going on: a person who gave Obama a handshake will receive handshakes from the ones who couldn't get close to the man himself, who in turn will be invited to shake more hands by others, until everybody is participating in this 'mystic experience', as some testified.

This Obamacult is very bizarre to any outsider, must be. Yet I think Obama is just a pawn, paving the way for a still greater, unspeakable evil being.

Anfang
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, 07:43 PM
I am an Anti-"christ". If only the Saxons would have had artillery they coud have blown the Jesus freaks back across to the other side of the mediterraenian.

Just my two cents.

Blood_Axis
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, 07:56 PM
At least my mom is convinced he is ;)

Teuton
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, 07:58 PM
I am an Anti-"christ". If only the Saxons would have had artillery they coud have blown the Jesus freaks back across to the other side of the mediterraenian.

Just my two cents.

I don't think you quite understand what the Anti-Christ is.
It isn't a person against Jesus.
It's Satan's own, to put it in a very simple form.

So unless you call yourself a Satanist(Which roots from Christianity), I don't think calling yourself the Anti-Christ is applicable.

Boernician
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, 08:06 PM
No there is no Anti Christ as Revelations was a cryptic anti Roman tirade.Obama is a skilled Politician nothing more or less. he is not dangerous as he will move to the center in order not to be dethroned in the next election.

He is the first 21 Century pol who knew how to use the net. Thats his big rise to power,he was paradigm breaker. However once you break it everyone else learns how you did it. He just came along at the right time with the economy collapsing otherwise it is 50/50 McCain would have beat him.

You can not be raised by one race then suddenly become another is spite of your skin color. He has traditional a Euro values,and he played to the radical black element to get his jump start.(typical Pol) he will turn on them in time like Hitler did Ernst Rohm. Once you row ashore why carry the boat on your back? He could get assassinated by some black radical as well. I hope he does not but I fear it.

Anfang
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, 09:27 PM
I don't think you quite understand what the Anti-Christ is.
It isn't a person against Jesus.
It's Satan's own, to put it in a very simple form.

So unless you call yourself a Satanist(Which roots from Christianity), I don't think calling yourself the Anti-Christ is applicable.


I dont think you quite understand that WE do not believe in your religion.

For germanic Volkisch people there is no satan. "Satan" is a JEWISH concept.
SATAN is a Jewish WORD.

I am more than aware what your people believe, and what you mean by the "Antichrist". I studied theology. I was brought up as a Roman Catholic.

Never again. We will return to our nature . Our truth.

Also take notice that I wrote "I am Anti-"christ". That seems to me to make it clear that I was not talking within your context.

Loddfafner
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, 09:33 PM
Obama is a regular politician and though his supporters' hopes will not come to pass, neither will his opponents' fears. Talking about him as the antichrist just makes him out to be much more exciting than he really is. We will get used to him before long and that is fine. Germanicness lies in the relations among Germanics and not in the faces we tune out on TV.

SouthernBoy
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, 09:59 PM
No.

The antichrist will be white. White people are evil. ;)

Anfang
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, 10:04 PM
No.

The antichrist will be white. White people are evil. ;)

Ok, ok One for southern Whit. I'll wager it probably went over most People in Europe's heads as they are not familiar with the black nationalist white haters who call us the devil.

Allenson
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 12:15 AM
Umm, no. I really don't think he's the antichrist despite his obvious evilness. ;)

skyhawk
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 12:26 AM
Umm, no. I really don't think he's the antichrist despite his obvious evilness. ;)

What " obvious evilness ? "

BTW I do think Obama could be the Antichrist.............. but I also think that so could everyone else on the planet :D

Hauke Haien
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 01:28 AM
I have found a different version of that photo...

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/6674/baracksmokeyobamasrstanjw1.jpg

The signs are clear :academic

Anfang
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 07:28 AM
Hej, I like bears! Very much!

Bears, Wolves, Horses , Boars, are of us.


Camels, hippopotamuses , gorillas, NOT.

Loki
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 11:37 AM
The idea of an Antichrist and the end of the world, including Second Coming of Christ, is obviously a very Christian concept, to which non-Christians cannot relate.

Even the idea of "evil" is a bit ambiguous. The media usually equates "evil" with Adolf Hitler. Yet nothing is totally evil, and nothing is totally good. Those are Christian concepts.

Teuton
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 12:29 PM
I dont think you quite understand that WE do not believe in your religion.

For germanic Volkisch people there is no satan. "Satan" is a JEWISH concept.
SATAN is a Jewish WORD.

I am more than aware what your people believe, and what you mean by the "Antichrist". I studied theology. I was brought up as a Roman Catholic.

Never again. We will return to our nature . Our truth.

Also take notice that I wrote "I am Anti-"christ". That seems to me to make it clear that I was not talking within your context.

Then why on earth are you calling yourself the Anti-Christ?

The Anti-Christ is a person who will end the world, not hated Jesus.

Resurgam
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 01:33 PM
The idea of an Antichrist and the end of the world, including Second Coming of Christ, is obviously a very Christian concept, to which non-Christians cannot relate.

Shiite Muslim religion heavily emphasizes eschatology (covering the "end times"). They have this supposed 12th imam that is supposed to be the ultimate savior of mankind.


As far as the Anti-Christ, it is important to remember that most of the events of Revelation occurred before the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple in AD 70. Everything points to Nero. All this stuff about the Anti-Christ, the "Rapture," and the coming tribulations that has infected many of American churches today is called Dispensational Theology.

The beginning of this interpretation actually began in the early 1800s mainly with a guy named John Nelson Darby. He was a Plymouth Brethren minister at Trinity College Dublin where he came to believe in a future salvation and restoration of national Israel. He saw a distinction between the Jews and the Christian Church with each having separate covenants regarding salvation. This was opposed to the traditional Covenant Theology which has a continuity between the promises to the Jews in the Old Testament and the Christian Church with the fulfillment of the promises to Israel in the person and the work of the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

Dispensationalism being so accepted by Christians today explains their unconditional support for a Jewist national state with the Jews still being God's Chosen People in his Promised Land to them.

Revelation was a warning regarding the coming destruction in AD 70 where over a 1.5 million Jews were killed in the Judean revolt. The Whore of Babylon represented the Jewish nation who had rejected the Messiah. In Rev. 11:8 it says "and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great ciy that spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified." This referred to Jerusalem and the Jews despite all these people saying that it is every Christians duty to defend the people of Israel because they are "the Apple of God's eye as this one guy told me.

I support the view that there are many antichrists because the Bible only refers to antichrist and not a one and only "the antichrist." And an antichrist is basically a man who claims to be a god himself. Caesar was proclaimed devine after his death because of the trend of the masses throughout history to begin to worship a popular leader like the Obama personality cult today. It wasn't until Nero who very actively began to demand the recognition of his deity from people.

Founder Hunter
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 02:01 PM
Thirty third degee freemasons who excercise their luciferic rights are the anti-Christ.

Chlodovech
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 02:13 PM
Revelation was a warning regarding the coming destruction in AD 70 where over a 1.5 million Jews were killed in the Judean revolt. The Whore of Babylon represented the Jewish nation who had rejected the Messiah. In Rev. 11:8 it says "and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great ciy that spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified." This referred to Jerusalem and the Jews despite all these people saying that it is every Christians duty to defend the people of Israel because they are "the Apple of God's eye as this one guy told me.

I support the view that there are many antichrists because the Bible only refers to antichrist and not a one and only "the antichrist." And an antichrist is basically a man who claims to be a god himself.

Yes, the "rapture" is a fairly new element, but the prophecies surrounding the Antichrist have been written on the island of Patmos, Greece 100 A.C. The Jewish exodus took place before 'Revelation' was written, that's the traditional view at least.
Even though there are small antichrists, it doesn't seem likely to me that either Nero or anyone else would've been the Antichrist, since not all conditions have been met that would've unleashed him, like the Jews going back to their ancestral land, the rebuilding of Salomon's temple, world government, etc. The Whore of Babylon could just as easily be nowadays media.

Yet it doesn't make sense to me why a Christian would work toward this goal of bringing about the apocalypse, like some think is their mission, by for instance supporting Israel. As if they're not going to be punished themselves for doing so.


For germanic Volkisch people there is no satan. "Satan" is a JEWISH concept.
SATAN is a Jewish WORD.

For the Jews Satan is a divinely appointed judge, still more God's right hand than his enemy.


Even the idea of "evil" is a bit ambiguous. The media usually equates "evil" with Adolf Hitler. Yet nothing is totally evil, and nothing is totally good. Those are Christian concepts.

Well yes, it all depends on whose side you're on, and who's trying to kill you. Hitler and co thought in rather dualistic terms themselves about their struggle.

exit
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 02:26 PM
Thirty third degee freemasons who excercise their luciferic rights are the anti-Christ.

You have been misinformed. Freemasonry goes back to the initiatic guilds of the Middle Ages which are in every way traditional and have nothing whatsoever to do with Lucifer. True Masonry must be separated from its later degeneration into politics.

On another note, those who think Obama is the antichrist really overestimate him. But who today isn't on the side of the antichrist, since everywhere we find anti-traditional sentiments, and Christianity itself has become a modernist parody of itself.

Chlodovech
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 04:07 PM
You have been misinformed. Freemasonry goes back to the initiatic guilds of the Middle Ages...

...their knowledge and rituals based on the findings of the Knights templar in the Holy Land, who excavated Salomon's stable, and/or perhaps other kabbalistic/gnostic information, that could go all the way back to Egypt and even Babylon. One might argue that the accusations of devil worship within the upper echelons of the templar knights are wrong, but they weren't exactly celebrating mass in the cellars, caves, labyrinths underneath their castles either. Just take a look at Royston Cave (http://www.ellisctaylor.com/dgroystoncave.html), England. Exactly how far their thirst for knowledge has driven them is debatable.


...which are in every way traditional and have nothing whatsoever to do with Lucifer. True Masonry must be separated from its later degeneration into politics.

If one believes that freemasonry is rooted in the middle ages, and thus the successor to the knights templar, which is a claim of some important lodges, it can't be seen outside of a political context, since the knights templar acquired their wealth through banking. Setting up a financial system is a political act with political consequences.

The fear for freemasonry comes from the belief that it has been hijacked 200 years ago. By the time Weishaupt was arrested for plotting to overthrow all power structures of Europe - which is indeed a historical fact - he already established network of several thousands of initiates, people who never got arrested. The biggest third party ever in the US was the antimasonic party, everybody knew about the danger of a hidden hand in the 19th century, believing that there was this plot to take over the US and Europe used to be very common, and might be the only reason that the Americans preserved their freedom for such a long time, until president Wilson totally sold them to the bankers, once again.

I don't rule out the possibility that both the masons and their offshoots were once fairly apolitical, but much has happened since.

Also, Albert Pike was definitely 33 degree and a Satanist, and he was definitely not the only one. There are also researchers who would claim that there are a whole lot more degrees than 33, and those who are 33 are still just publical figures, like politicians. If I have a quick look at the freemasons in politics in my country, and listen to what they preach or analyse their ambitions, and how they try to use the influx of Islam to discredit and stamp out all religion, then these people could be considered Satanic, by all Christian standards, whether the lodge promotes itself as regular or irregular.

Loki
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 04:08 PM
Here is a blogger who thinks so:

http://www.barackobamaantichrist.blogspot.com/

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1ihUIofCaxs/SQ-mgAurDnI/AAAAAAAAAls/1JrcQD-DUBU/S220/wetrust.bmp

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1ihUIofCaxs/SNsrndtS9AI/AAAAAAAAAbA/NRezf67L80c/S220/nro.bmp

http://bp3.blogger.com/_1ihUIofCaxs/SFdJPQv5HiI/AAAAAAAAANY/TFkM2olrJfM/S660/hope.bmp

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1ihUIofCaxs/SMKVYTZu70I/AAAAAAAAATY/jbuWLSdcSfI/S220/ObamaComing.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1ihUIofCaxs/SMO1NZRc2XI/AAAAAAAAAUY/RVrcYVb7NSM/S220/obamasavior.jpg

exit
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 05:58 PM
If one believes that freemasonry is rooted in the middle ages, and thus the successor to the knights templar, which is a claim of some important lodges, it can't be seen outside of a political context, since the knights templar acquired their wealth through banking. Setting up a financial system is a political act with political consequences.

The fear for freemasonry comes from the belief that it has been hijacked 200 years ago. By the time Weishaupt was arrested for plotting to overthrow all power structures of Europe - which is indeed a historical fact - he already established network of several thousands of initiates, people who never got arrested. .

Oh my, where to begin? Almost everything said about masonry these days is wrong and can be traced to one of these anti-masonic campaigns. Masonry is a craft initiation tied to stone-masonry, whereas the Templars were a chivalric organization, thus quite different, though some of the references may come from the templars or one of their assocciate chivalric orgs. Traditional arts and crafts in the Middle Ages were initiatic, and in traditional civilizations everything is a sacred rite overseen ultimately by the sacerdotal caste. It is only in the modern world where we see a profane culture, and thus "politics" separated from spirituality. Traditionally, the sacerdotal caste has control over the monetary system, this is not the political degeneration I'm talking about, but rather when speculative masonry (which was already a degeneration) became public in the 1700's its material was rewritten with a modern flair supporting many of these profane progressivist ideas which were truly revolutionary. Thus it had become merely a product of the times. Now the Bavarian Illuminati had nothing whatsoever to do with Freemasonry, for it was the former that tried to infiltrate and subvert the latter but failed and quickly disappeared. There is no "illuminati conspiracy" and all claims of this nature are outrageously absurd! The Illuminati were never an initiatic org to begin and moreover, you must not confuse pseudo-initiatic orgs with traditional ones. There was nothing illuminating about the Bavarian Illuminati, which was a complete abuse of the term, but it is common these days for people to associate any type of group that parodies masonic rituals as being Masonic. These parodies are in fact why organizations of this nature should remain secret.

Loki
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 06:05 PM
The stock market doesn't think Obama is the messiah:

http://www.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?symb=INDU&sid=1643&time=1&startdate=&enddate=&freq=9&comp=&compidx=&uf=7168&ma=1&maval=50&type=2&size=1&lf=1&lf2=4&lf3=&style=1013&mocktick=1&rand=823844552

Loki
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 07:10 PM
Or could Obama be the Second Coming of Christ (http://slate.com/id/2158578)?




The Obama Messiah Watch

Introducing a periodic feature considering evidence that Obama is the son of God.

By Timothy Noah

Is Barack Obama the second coming of our Savior and our Redeemer, Prince of Peace and King of Kings, Jesus Christ?



;)

Teuton
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 07:14 PM
That's just sick...

A liberal the second coming, without fitting events taking place?

That must be one warped journalist.
What the hell has Obama done to be the Second Coming? Is it because he's black? Yay, I can find 2 billion of them if you want me to.

Retard.

Loki
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Obama Bless America (http://www.thelandofthefree.net/conservativeopinion/2008/02/22/%20obama-bless-america/)




Wanted: Millions of adoring fans to follow presidential candidate to the end of the Earth and do whatever he says. Must be willing to obey without question and applaud at the drop of a hat. To apply contact the Barack Obama Campaign.

In a nutshell that is what the Obama Campaign is asking for and, by all indications, getting in terms of followers. And no, I’m not exaggerating.

Recently it has come to light that there seems to be a rash of people fainting in the presence of Obama at his rallies. This is something that often happens when people become so excited that they just can no longer take it. Maybe this is nothing to get too concerned about on its own, but when you couple this with many other bizarre occurrences? You get the impression of being at a religious revival at some mega church rather than a political event whenever Barack Obama is in the house.




Louis Farrakhan calls Obama "The Messiah" (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE).

Æmeric
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 07:41 PM
The Anti-Christ will be a "False Messiah". I'm certain any day now we will be told that Obama can walk on water.

Zuid-Vlaming
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 08:03 PM
That would do a very bad remake of The Omen III.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5712/obameniiiky4.jpg

(I'm sure a photoshop expert -unlike me- could have done much better, but that's the idea)

Chlodovech
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 10:59 PM
I don't know who of you is reading continental papers, but this is ridiculous. Each Flemish paper seems an Obama pamflet. Some titles of articles:

"An end to 200 years of repression"
"The first president of the whole world"
"Obamanomenon"
"Thanks to Obama we will now have a black pope too."

The hysterical journalists depict this election as a victory for multiracialism, and they ask themselves: How long before before we'll finally have an immigrant president ourselves? :stop There was even this cartoon in Het Nieuwsblad depicting a blonde man and a blonde female on their knees before Obama, both in tears, with a caption: "God bless Europe". Absolutely disgusting. As if electing a North-African president is our calling, blessed by the media.

And an endless stream of propaganda, it seems as if there are only Obama-ists in the US, Flanders, and elsewhere. The Flemish media covered the smear campaign against McCain and Palin very well, yet they protected their golden boy.

Also worrisome is how these so called journalists try to communicate the feeling of living in a global village with their audience, by covering the US elections almost as extensive, if not more, as our own.

Anfang
Thursday, November 6th, 2008, 11:47 PM
Then why on earth are you calling yourself the Anti-Christ?

The Anti-Christ is a person who will end the world, not hated Jesus.


Because what I am saying, and it seems to me to be a clear statement,
ss that We (and paricularly me) laugh at the existense of any "Antichrist"
Just as we refute the very idea that there is one iota of value to the jesus cult, and we as Germanics insist on following our own path, a path that has nothing to do With Jesus the bible, Christian Theology, "The prophets", The Concept of the male trinity of the father the son and the holy ghost, *Any of it.*, We have An understanding of spirituality that is Comming from the Volk and nature. and do not believe that there is any reality to the belief system that "Christians" have been tricked into following.


Louis Farrakhan calls Obama "The Messiah" (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE).

Louis Farracan just wants to be in the newspapers. he such old news himself.


I don't know who of you is reading continental papers, but this is ridiculous. Each Flemish paper seems an Obama pamflet. Some titles of articles:

"An end to 200 years of repression"
"The first president of the whole world"
"Obamanomenon"
"Thanks to Obama we will now have a black pope too."

The hysterical journalists depict this election as a victory for multiracialism, and they ask themselves: How long before before we'll finally have an immigrant president ourselves? :stop There was even this cartoon in Het Nieuwsblad depicting a blonde man and a blonde female on their knees before Obama, both in tears, with a caption: "God bless Europe". Absolutely disgusting. As if electing a North-African president is our calling, blessed by the media.

And an endless stream of propaganda, it seems as if there are only Obama-ists in the US, Flanders, and elsewhere. The Flemish media covered the smear campaign against McCain and Palin very well, yet they protected their golden boy.

Also worrisome is how these so called journalists try to communicate the feeling of living in a global village with their audience, by covering the US elections almost as extensive, if not more, as our own.

Here is something that i think we can agree on, Europe seems to be finding in Obama some sort of focal point to exibit some kind of racial masochism.

Loki
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 12:04 AM
This looks somehow a more natural position for Obama:

Gorm the Old
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 12:38 AM
If I believed in the Antichrist, I would still have to reject Obama for the role. He just isn't big enough. He's much too small-spirited and petty a man .

forkbeard
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 12:41 AM
erm , I thought the Bible was complete fiction. does anyone seriously believe it is true or relevant. If so we haven't a hope in hell.

Pro-Alpine
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 12:58 AM
Quite the contrary, he's the second incarnation of Jesus, that's what the media told me and hence true.

Deary
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 01:01 AM
I was hoping people would approach this discussion from more of a, "If what the Bible says is true, then Barack Obama may or may not be the antichrist because...." standpoint (thank you, Gorm) rather than refuting the validity of the Bible itself, which I fear could lead the discussion too far off-topic.

skyhawk
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 01:58 AM
I was hoping people would approach this discussion from more of a, "If what the Bible says is true, then Barack Obama may or may not be the antichrist because...." standpoint (thank you, Gorm) rather than refuting the validity of the Bible itself, which I fear could lead the discussion too far off-topic.

These things have a habit of backfiring, Deary ;) :D

If the Bible doesn't mention Obama by name then why should we even consider him as an antichrist ?

Gorbachev had the same accusations made against him in the eighties......... a birth mark............. became " the sign of the beast ".

It's the same old story............. someone they don't like gets into a position of world influence and their opponents run to see if the tag of antichrist can be levied against them.............. the sole purpose of which is to promote mistrust and fear of them.

If people wish to use religious scriptures to attack/convict an opponent then they should have no right to complain about anyone who wishes to question the validity of those scriptures

^^^^^^^^^^

We are not living in the Middle Ages !

Resurgam
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 02:01 AM
Yes, the "rapture" is a fairly new element, but the prophecies surrounding the Antichrist have been written on the island of Patmos, Greece 100 A.C. The Jewish exodus took place before 'Revelation' was written, that's the traditional view at least.
Even though there are small antichrists, it doesn't seem likely to me that either Nero or anyone else would've been the Antichrist, since not all conditions have been met that would've unleashed him, like the Jews going back to their ancestral land, the rebuilding of Salomon's temple, world government, etc. The Whore of Babylon could just as easily be nowadays media.The traditional view is that the Book of Revelation was written before AD 66. Now if one debates then that it was written after the fact but then repackaging them as fulfilled prophecies, then as Deary stated, you are shifting the debate from who is supposed to be the Antichrist to authenticity of Scripture which is off-topic.
One must note that when dealing with Christian Eschatology, one is dealing with the prophecies in the Book of Daniel and others as well.
Some of the conditions like the rebuilding of Solomon's Temple are things that are twisted from Scripture in the notes for the Schofield study Bible mainly because of Masonic influence with their obsession with the Temple. Is it any surprise that notable "Christians" like Brother Freemason John Hagee espouse this stuff?

As for the "the Whore of Babylon": Through out the entire Bible, Israel as God's chosen people are referred to being his bride. The marriage terminology is used because God's covenantal promises to Israel are to mirror that of a marriage contract. When Israel turns away from God into idolatry the it is referred to as a whore. Hosea 2:3 "When the Lord first spoke through Hose, the Lord said to Hosea, 'Go, take yourself a wife of whoredom and have children of whoredom, for the land commits great whoredom by forsaking the Lord.'"

So when the imagery of a whore is used in Revelation, it represents a false church which Judaeism had become since they rejected the Messiah. The Jews' false religion being linked to Babylon makes a lot of sense here IMO because in addition to rejecting Christ, the Jewish religion had absorbed a lot of mysticism that had roots in Babylonian mystery religion that what is commonly known today as the Kabbalah.


Yet it doesn't make sense to me why a Christian would work toward this goal of bringing about the apocalypse, like some think is their mission, by for instance supporting Israel. As if they're not going to be punished themselves for doing so.Indeed. I would even say that as a Christian, I would see such goals as downright devilish. What better way is there to stop Christians from advancing the Kingdom of Christ throughout the world by instead having them sitting on a hill somewhere waiting for the Rapture.

Anfang
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 02:48 AM
Quite the contrary, he's the second incarnation of Jesus, that's what the media told me and hence true.




with sicere respet to you, NO. If the poster did not want the Insane proposition Challenged than he should not have posted the Thread in the first place in my opinion.

The only things that keep not only Germanics, but all Indo europeans inluding
latins and celts and mixtures thereof in a state of cultural and political confusions are the *Mind-bindings* created by the acceptance of completely foreign belief systems, causing us to disbelive our own value our own completeness outside of the Semitic god conundrum.

For Germanic Women in particular, Christianity was the mechanism that was used to take away her rights, no mater how much Christians may insist to the contrary.

But that is on the practical plane. On the spiritual level the though that so many aryans are hoodwinked by this christian farce is painful to bear, and Unfortunately, I DO NOT TAKE KINDLY TO SOMEONE ASKING ME RIDICULOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT ASPECTS OF A RELIGION THAT HAS NO MEANING, AS IF IT HAD MEANING FOR ALL OF US- (all caps accidental, but wellcome)

Deary
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 03:39 AM
If you don't wish to talk about the thread within its intended context, then you are welcome to make another thread. This is about interpreting biblical scripture regarding the antichrist and whether or not it connects to Barack Obama. This is not about the relevance of Christianity, its impact on Germanics, "Jesus freaks", and so on. There are enough places on the forum for that discussion already. I thought the title of the thread made clear enough. You don't see me poking about in the Heathenry section making snide remarks about how all of it is nonsense in the first place, so please be considerate enough not to do the same here.

EQ Fighter
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 05:16 AM
Well the problem is no one here, has enough ether historical knowledge or understanding I of ancient Hebrew to realistically interpret an ancient scripture in a modern context.

Do to that you must First (1)
Interpret in the context as it was written in 70 AD.
IE you would have, have a Rabi, who was also a Historian and was willing to look at the New Testament as something other than a plot by the Goyem.

And I don’t mean the crap that comes out of your typical TV Evangelist, TV Physic or other such moron.

Second you would have to extrapolate that out into a modern context.
IE use the same, rules that Rabbis such as Jesus and the other Toahmadem used to interpret this stuff 2000 years ago.

I'm sure not qualified for that, and nether is anyone else here.

But here is my take on what might happen in the Oboma Presidency.
He is definitely going to push some bad crap! And if you are white, male, or European it aint gonna be great for you.

There is also a good chance that if you are a white female, you might eventually end up submitting to some aspects of Shariah law.

Is Oboma the Messiah, or the Anti Messiah. I guess that depends on which side of this issue you are on.

skyhawk
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 11:48 AM
If you don't wish to talk about the thread within its intended context, then you are welcome to make another thread. This is about interpreting biblical scripture regarding the antichrist and whether or not it connects to Barack Obama. This is not about the relevance of Christianity, its impact on Germanics, "Jesus freaks", and so on. There are enough places on the forum for that discussion already. I thought the title of the thread made clear enough. You don't see me poking about in the Heathenry section making snide remarks about how all of it is nonsense in the first place, so please be considerate enough not to do the same here.

This thread is , imo , intended to utilize religious superstitions to make people mistrustful or fearfull of Obama............ that's it !!

Deary you have your profile views on religion down as being " atheist " yet you will initiate a debate involving a religious book that you obviously don't consider to be worthy of the support of your own belief system simply because it may be a useful tool in the fight to discredit Obama.

An atheist , or a consistant one at least , should never resort to demonization via divinity. In fact it is, for them, an exercise in hypocrisy.

Deary
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 02:55 PM
This thread is , imo , intended to utilize religious superstitions to make people mistrustful or fearfull of Obama............ that's it !!

Deary you have your profile views on religion down as being " atheist " yet you will initiate a debate involving a religious book that you obviously don't consider to be worthy of the support of your own belief system simply because it may be a useful tool in the fight to discredit Obama.

An atheist , or a consistant one at least , should never resort to demonization via divinity. In fact it is, for them, an exercise in hypocrisy.

I think you assume too much. Obama as the antichrist is an emerging topic, especially around these parts. I've even seen a couple of church signs that reference the Obama-worship going on. Since I find these type of ideas and discussions interesting, I was curious of what members of this board thought, particularly Christians, and for those with other beliefs to at least try to take this from somewhat of a hypothetical viewpoint as I don't want this thread to turn into every other one that deals with Christianity and the Bible. I am, however, not clear on where I did or said anything hypocritical. People are already plenty mistrustful and fearful of Obama and chances are they'll have their religious views regardless of whatever the heck I have to say. As far as I'm concerned, I merely posed a question.

exit
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 03:49 PM
The thinking that obama is the antichrist is really only a knee-jerk reaction to the claim that he is the messiah, both claims being equally stupid. But there is something even more seriously screwed up with the thinking that the messiah would come down to earth with a message of "change we can believe in."

Psychonaut
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 04:08 PM
Well the problem is no one here, has enough ether historical knowledge or understanding I of ancient Hebrew to realistically interpret an ancient scripture in a modern context.


It's got nothing much to do with Hebrew. The Book of Revelation, more properly called Ἀποκάλυψις Ἰωάννου (The Apocalypse of John), was (allegedly) written be a Greek fellow named John, and was written in Koine Greek.

exit
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 05:32 PM
Yet it doesn't make sense to me why a Christian would work toward this goal of bringing about the apocalypse, like some think is their mission, by for instance supporting Israel. As if they're not going to be punished themselves for doing so.


Because they're not sensible and because they assume Jesus forgives, but mostly because they hate tradition in all its forms and won't stop until everyone and every nation is secular progressivist (notice how they all support democracy, equality, etc.). It has less to do with Israel and everything to do with modernism, of which there are very few who don't support modernity and so cannot be thought of as not on the side of the antichrist.

skyhawk
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 05:58 PM
I think you assume too much. Obama as the antichrist is an emerging topic, especially around these parts.

Call it an assumption or call it an intuition for detecting the promotion of racism ;)

That would be the Southern US wouldn't it ?



I've even seen a couple of church signs that reference the Obama-worship going on.

I'm sure you have. Churches are notorious for their condemnation of the worship of " false idols "................ any atheist worth their salt will know that it is a competition thing .

The Obama worship is as pitiful as the Obama demonization. ( as Exit has already pointed out ) and the people who promote it , on both sides , need to get a grip of themselves.



Since I find these type of ideas and discussions interesting, I was curious of what members of this board thought, particularly Christians, and for those with other beliefs to at least try to take this from somewhat of a hypothetical viewpoint as I don't want this thread to turn into every other one that deals with Christianity and the Bible.

A sudden interest in what the church has to say ?..............because it concerns Obama ? Mmmmmm

And , why should this thread be treated differently than any other that concerns the beliefs of Christianity ? Is it that important that it should have preferential treatment ? If so why so ?



I am, however, not clear on where I did or said anything hypocritical. People are already plenty mistrustful and fearful of Obama and chances are they'll have their religious views regardless of whatever the heck I have to say. As far as I'm concerned, I merely posed a question.

Well Deary this was the statement you used to start this thread up.




Barack Obama is constantly being presented and hailed as a Messiah, Savior and God-like figure while his religious views and motivations are equally suspicious. Present or dispute evidence that could suggest Barack Obama is the antichrist.

Hardly an objective view , but that is not my criticism ( I don't think anyone is , or can be, objective )

The hypocrisy is in this.

"Present or dispute evidence that could suggest Barack Obama is the antichrist"

By debating whether or not Obama is the antichrist you would have to believe that there is such a thing as an antichrist in the first place. An atheist would never acknowledge such a claim as the existence of an antichrist let alone who they might be because they have chosen to not believe.

Do you think Obama is the antichrist, Deary ? I mean as an atheist :D......maybe you should consider being an agnostic. :)

And

How is anyone supposed to be able to " dispute evidence " without questioning the prosecutions primary witness.......... the Bible ?

Seriously this thread is a joke...................subterranean brow :D

Teuton
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 07:13 PM
You have a debate about the authenticity of the Bible in another thread, there's no reason too push it off-topic here.

I think declaring Obama the Anti-Christ is a little harsh, but him being the Messiah second coming is even more.
He's just a really big bite in the bum.

Steeljam
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 07:38 PM
No there is no Anti Christ as Revelations was a cryptic anti Roman tirade.Obama is a skilled Politician nothing more or less. he is not dangerous as he will move to the center in order not to be dethroned in the next election.

He is the first 21 Century pol who knew how to use the net. Thats his big rise to power,he was paradigm breaker. However once you break it everyone else learns how you did it. He just came along at the right time with the economy collapsing otherwise it is 50/50 McCain would have beat him.

You can not be raised by one race then suddenly become another is spite of your skin color. He has traditional a Euro values,and he played to the radical black element to get his jump start.(typical Pol) he will turn on them in time like Hitler did Ernst Rohm. Once you row ashore why carry the boat on your back? He could get assassinated by some black radical as well. I hope he does not but I fear it.

I agree that the religious connotation "Anti-Christ" is not at place here or where ever. Obama will be made or broken by the men he selects around him. Axelrod certainly is not Change one can believe in, more will follow in the same vein. After 100 days in office it will be "democratic" business as usual, with more interference in the lives of taxpayers, while putting the tax-users and mis-users on a platform

Chlodovech
Friday, November 7th, 2008, 08:01 PM
Call it an assumption or call it an intuition for detecting the promotion of racism

That would be the Southern US wouldn't it ?

I find the accusation of 'racism' unfair, it's more or less the same munition Obama-ists use to label all their opponents. Especially if they live in the South. Especially when they're part of a network like Skadi.

Protestants who appreciate the concept of the antichrist usually - but not exclusively - situate this character in Europe, at the head of a European super state, or claim it will be a particular pope, or that the pope is the permanent antichrist. Roman-Catholics tend more to look in the direction of Israël when in search of the Antichrist, who then would be a jew. Perhaps that's one of the reasons the Church almost never makes mention of the Antichrist anymore.

Deary's question could easily be redefined. Whoever has a problem with the antichrist as a "Christian thing", could merely consider the conditions that would bring him to power, and the characteristics he displays.

Just some of the items that should grab our attention:

Is Obama empowered by "the rich" revelations warns of?
Will all states of the world dissolve even stronger, ultimately transferring all power of Obama?
Will he perform 'fake' miracles?
Does the world population display an unheard of degree of decadence?
Is it during Obama's reign that the population we'll receive a microchip?
Will we have a global "police force", a unified codex, a central banking system?
Will Obama bring peace to the middle east, and find a solution for the temple mount, namely: the rebuilding of Salomon's temple next to the Al-Aqsa moqsue. That moment would signify the start of the Antichrist's reign on Earth, and will bring him unprecedented popularity.
Will christians be prosecuted during Obama's term in the White House?
Will the embedding of Christianity into other religions go on, until there's this unified, pantheistic religion of 'tolerance'? The UN didn't mind building a temple for this new religion for the whole world, recommended by New Age bureaucrats and commissions, in New York city.

I think some of these questions are - for now - to be answered with a definite "no", yet is all of this happening one day so unthinkable that someone should write this scenario off as ridiculous? To a person living in 500 a.d. revelations must have looked futuristic, however, we've seen an unparalleled rise of technology, we went to America and the moon, and we've been confronted with internationalistic ideologies as communism and ethical ultraliberalism (cultural Marxism). To us, the idea of a wold governed by a modernistic dictator - a popular theme in the scifi genre - looks merely our destiny, all the cards on the table considered, regardless of the credits of Christianity.


The Obama worship is as pitiful as the Obama demonization. ( as Exit has already pointed out ) and the people who promote it , on both sides , need to get a grip of themselves.

I have a firm belief in tradition, and clinging on to a moral set of values and their broader context, the latest ideoligical/ethical fats and trends do not appeal to me. I'm a man of absolute moralism.

Also, it's not those who believe that Obama is the antichrist who made him president - it's the people who champion him, either as the messiah or as, ahem, a brilliant politician and a builder of bridges, and those who were apathic - which resulted in a blow to the Anglosaxon identity of America. And Germanic preservation, isn't that what we're all about at Skadi?

All my closest friends are atheists, and I've not the slightest inclination to convert anyone, I respect genuine pagans too.
It would be sad if this thread became a mere discussion on the validity of christianity/atheism as if it's 1850, and nothing ever changed since those days. There are other threads for doing so, although I understand that atheists want to react on this subject too, they're entitled to it, but let's not get swamped into a very, very old debate.

skyhawk
Saturday, November 8th, 2008, 12:15 AM
I find the accusation of 'racism' unfair, it's more or less the same munition Obama-ists use to label all their opponents. Especially if they live in the South. Especially when they're part of a network like Skadi.

Well I'm not an Obama-ist ,Chlodovech and the accusation of the promotion of racism here is valid I think. Deary is a self confessed racist so I don't think it is outlandish to suggest her sudden interest in who is an antichrist is not down to any religious change of stance as she is also still a self confessed atheist.

Could it be that the interest in Obama being the antichrist is down to him being black ?




Just some of the items that should grab our attention:

Is Obama empowered by "the rich" revelations warns of?

Yes, but so has every other US president.......... why not the same accusations of being an antichrist being levied against any of them ? Because they are all white ?



Will all states of the world dissolve even stronger, ultimately transferring all power of Obama?

The NWO, the greatest threat to the sovereignty of States today, which is what I think you could be refering to , is a neocon thing. Yet few have screamed antichrist at Wolfowitz , Pearle etc etc.............. why not ?



Will he perform 'fake' miracles?

Isn't that the presidents role/job ? The one going out ( Bush ) would have us believe that Iraq is a democracy



Does the world population display an unheard of degree of decadence?

No.............. not the world but definately in the western world. A great many people are enduring chronic poverty and cannot even imagine "a luxurious self-indulgence". ( oxford definition of " decadence" )


Is it during Obama's reign that the population we'll receive a microchip?
The ideas for microchips go back years and cannot be attributed to Obama .

And the " reign " of Obama is not like the reign of monarchs in 14th Century Europe. :D It's not an autocracy .


Will we have a global "police force", a unified codex, a central banking system?

We have had a global police force for a number of years now, they prosecute any who stand in the way of the neoliberal economic agenda.


Will Obama bring peace to the middle east, and find a solution for the temple mount, namely: the rebuilding of Salomon's temple next to the Al-Aqsa moqsue. That moment would signify the start of the Antichrist's reign on Earth, and will bring him unprecedented popularity.

I doubt it............... the Israeli lobby in the US decides whether or not there will be peace in the Middle East not the president.


Will christians be prosecuted during Obama's term in the White House?

Only if they are caught by police doing criminal acts

I think you might have meant to say persecuted............ I don't see why.......but it will do Christians little good to go around shouting that he is the antichrist


Will the embedding of Christianity into other religions go on, until there's this unified, pantheistic religion of 'tolerance'? The UN didn't mind building a temple for this new religion for the whole world, recommended by New Age bureaucrats and commissions, in New York city.

The setting up of the NWO will need new structures to replace the old. Again this agenda is a few decades old and cannot be attributed to Obama



All my closest friends are atheists, and I've not the slightest inclination to convert anyone, I respect genuine pagans too.
It would be sad if this thread became a mere discussion on the validity of christianity/atheism as if it's 1850, and nothing ever changed since those days. There are other threads for doing so, although I understand that atheists want to react on this subject too, they're entitled to it, but let's not get swamped into a very, very old debate.

It's an even older debate to discuss the history of people being condemned by religious superstitions..............

Loki
Saturday, November 8th, 2008, 12:24 AM
Belief in an Antichrist cannot be detached from a wider belief in Christian eschatology.

If Obama is "the" Antichrist, then how long until the end of the world? The Second Coming of Christ? Many Christians believed the world would end in AD 2,000. We're still here. I'm not microchipped, we can still use cash (heck, cash is even more in demand with this economic crisis!), etc etc.

EQ Fighter
Saturday, November 8th, 2008, 05:25 AM
It's got nothing much to do with Hebrew. The Book of Revelation, more properly called Ἀποκάλυψις Ἰωάννου (The Apocalypse of John), was (allegedly) written be a Greek fellow named John, and was written in Koine Greek.


I'm not sure where you get that, I can assure you that Paul was NOT Greek.

How do I know this, because the Biblical Archaeology Review a few years back published a book which I have, and some of the un associated fragments found at Qumran were determined to be from the New Testament if you want to call it that. The Books were Mark, Acts, Romans, 1 Timothy, James and 2 Peter. But yes the fragments were Greek. But that does not make Paul Greek. That places most of these books, to about 70 AD and would make a lot of since considering it was the Essens that fought the Romans to the death at about the same time. It also ties the Jesus Movement into the sect of the Essens, Which also makes since considering what most of the New Testament Teaches.

Psychonaut
Saturday, November 8th, 2008, 05:32 AM
I'm not sure where you get that, I can assure you that Paul was NOT Greek.

How do I know this, because the Biblical Archaeology Review a few years back published a book which I have, and some of the un associated fragments found at Qumran were determined to be from the New Testament if you want to call it that. The Books were Mark, Acts, Romans, 1 Timothy, James and 2 Peter. But yes the fragments were Greek. But that does not make Paul Greek. That places most of these books, to about 70 AD and would make a lot of since considering it was the Essens that fought the Romans to the death at about the same time. It also ties the Jesus Movement into the sect of the Essens, Which also makes since considering what most of the New Testament Teaches.

If he wasn't Greek, then he was a [insert ethnicity here] who either wrote exclusively in Greek or whose writings have only survived in Greek, as none of the Johannine texts appear in Hebrew. Either way, knowledge of Biblical Hebrew would be of next to no help at all in looking at the Book of Revelation in its extant forms.

Anfang
Saturday, November 8th, 2008, 06:54 AM
If he wasn't Greek, then he was a [insert ethnicity here] who either wrote exclusively in Greek or whose writings have only survived in Greek, as none of the Johannine texts appear in Hebrew. Either way, knowledge of Biblical Hebrew would be of next to no help at all in looking at the Book of Revelation in its extant forms.


Paul was Jewish-
on top os everything else he was a woman hater . I read a book about his life a few years back. can't remember the tittle but yes he was a Jew.

The "Apostle" paul was 100% jew.

http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/paul.html

Psychonaut
Saturday, November 8th, 2008, 07:04 AM
Whoa wait a minute here, I didn't even realize that EQ Fighter was talking about Paul. I guess I just read Paul but assumed he was following he logic train and talking about John, since we're talking about the Antichrist and all. Of course Paul was a Jew, but he hasn't a thing to do with The Book of Revelation!

EQ Fighter
Saturday, November 8th, 2008, 07:35 AM
Psychonaut

If he wasn't Greek, then he was a [insert ethnicity here] who either wrote exclusively in Greek or whose writings have only survived in Greek, as none of the Johannine texts appear in Hebrew. Either way, knowledge of Biblical Hebrew would be of next to no help at all in looking at the Book of Revelation in its extant forms.

Not really!
There is not proof the NT was originally written in Greek, only that some of the surviving manuscript are in Greek.

But Realistically, there is not a reason he could not have written in both languages, since he was a Roman Citizen.

But especially considering there are quite a few arguments between Paul and Barnabas as to the fact of Gentiles participation. Paul was for it so it is likely that some or maybe all of what he wrote that was going to Greeks would have been in their language.

But that is why im refraining for using the word Christian, because these guys were not Christians as we know Christianity. Yes they had the stimulus of the doctrine that many teach in Churches today but at this time it was still mostly a Jewish movement. Christianity only dates to about Edict of Milan of the year 313. The Christians before that are not really Christians in the current since.

That is why Im saying that in order the answer her question in a correct way one would have to have original interpretation of the NT. And not modern evolved Christian doctrine. In fact the Book of Revelations is mostly ignored in the Catholic Tradition, because for the most part by the time of the formation of the Catholic church 313 the allegorical events in the book of revelation had already passed. it had no real applications to them.

Psychonaut
Saturday, November 8th, 2008, 07:48 AM
Well the problem is no one here, has enough ether historical knowledge or understanding I of ancient Hebrew to realistically interpret an ancient scripture in a modern context.


There is not proof the NT was originally written in Greek, only that some of the surviving manuscript are in Greek.

Well, bully for you if you come across a Hebrew copy of Revelation. In the mean time, working knowledge of Koine Greek will serve you far better than Hebrew in understanding the NT.

Dorpmuller
Saturday, November 8th, 2008, 04:32 PM
In one word: Yes!

Rich

Nagelfar
Saturday, November 8th, 2008, 05:23 PM
This Obamacult is very bizarre to any outsider, must be. Yet I think Obama is just a pawn, paving the way for a still greater, unspeakable evil being.

Biden? ;-P

Ullarsskald
Monday, August 3rd, 2009, 01:26 AM
Having lived in Illinois the past 13 years, I didn't trust him as far as I could spit.

He's a slick, urbane, urban politician, who shows signs of being a narcissist. He's out for number one, and I think he would have played along with Blagojevih selling his senate seat if it was useful.

(BTW, Pip's back ,-)

EQ Fighter
Monday, August 3rd, 2009, 01:59 AM
Psychonaut

Well, bully for you if you come across a Hebrew copy of Revelation. In the mean time, working knowledge of Koine Greek will serve you far better than Hebrew in understanding the NT.

I have a NT in Hebrew, and it has a copy of Revelations in it.
;)
Of course it is a back translation of the Greek.

And BTW there were copies of Mark, Acts, Romans, 1 Timothy, James and 2 Peter. Found in Cave 7 of the Qumran Settlement.

SpearBrave
Monday, August 3rd, 2009, 02:59 AM
Here you go if you are a Christian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXMAnlMmEPw&feature=popular

EQ Fighter
Thursday, August 6th, 2009, 04:58 AM
OK maybe he has the qualifications to be the Anti Christ.

But I was expecting someone with a little more Bad Assattude, for the man of ultimate Evil, than say Steve Urkel form Family Matters

http://wizbangblue.com/images/2009/02/steve_urkel.jpg




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiljoS4ChOk


Ok lets see If I can get in to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKK-ocG7Ixc&feature=related

Nah! Sorry still just a skinny Black Nerd!

Astrid Runa
Wednesday, September 16th, 2009, 08:46 PM
I am an Anti-"christ". If only the Saxons would have had artillery they coud have blown the Jesus freaks back across to the other side of the mediterraenian.

Just my two cents.

I love you.
I'm curious, but how exactly is Obama the Anti-Christ?
What exactly makes you think that he could possibly over-turn "God" and bring about the next Apocalypse?
He believes in God, does he not? He swore an oath under God and was he not married in a Christian Church?
This talk of him being the anti-christ makes me /facepalm, seriously.
Is it because he's for Gay marriage?
Is it because he supports abortion?
Is it because he's against war?
Please. I challenge you to enlighten me without the use of your "Holy" Bibles. Give me hard evidence that proves Obama is the anti-christ without the use of your Bibles and I may just believe you.

Chlodovech
Wednesday, September 16th, 2009, 11:15 PM
I'm curious, but how exactly is Obama the Anti-Christ?

He's a charasmatic cult leader promising a New Age. The guy has no respect for the constitution and promotes globalism and 'Chinese capitalism'. He's a CIA-agent (http://www.infowars.com/the-names-obama-barack-obama/) and has been groomed for the position he's in right now for many, many years. Do not underestimate Obama and his horde. if Obama has his way, there won't be a United States of America as we know it in 2020, and its people are going to be a lot poorer as Obama is emptying American pockets: the money flows right into the accounts of offshore banks, like those of the Rothschilds.

I don't assume he's the Antichrist, but as of yet he's the best candidate of all time for this title, IMO - given his policies, his power and his world wide popularity, both among common people and political/financial elites - and the media. They treat him like he's a celebrity, as if he's God, at times; everything you hear about this man is propaganda.

What makes him the best candidate is that he looks unsuspicious to most people, Christians included. He receives so much undeserved praise. The populace is blinded. Obama is paving the way for an even nastier Obama.

Often overlooked is what is believed within American and EU-establishment/aristocratic circles themselves. Even if the Antichrist the bible refered to is a historical Roman emperor (the book of revelation is the only gnostic text within the bible, an oddity by itself), and these writings deal with another historical era, I do maintain that these events pertaining to the apocalypse can be and will be staged by our lords and masters. If there would be no God, and maybe Obama's overlords count on that, the world is still going to see the rise of the 'Antichrist'.

Bush made it abundantly clear that he believed he was doing 'God's will', that by invading Iraq biblical prophecy would come about sooner. However, Bush is also member of Skull & Bones, and involved in other occult activities like those going on at the Bohemian Grove - so is much of the religious right of American politics (and the democrats, for that matter). A walk through Washington D.C., a look at the statues, inscriptions on the official buildings there, and the street plan, shatters all illusions one could harbor about America being a 'Christian' state. A Christian nation it is, but that's about it.


What exactly makes you think that he could possibly over-turn "God" and bring about the next Apocalypse?

Obama does not need to over-turn God, a new war in the Middle-East suffices.


He believes in God, does he not?

Yes, the Antichrist would 'believe' in God, the Antichrist knows for a fact that God exists.


He swore an oath under God and was he not married in a Christian Church?

So did Bush, Clinton, Bush senior...

"When Satan captures a position, he seldom bothers to change the flag." - William H. Sheldon in "Prometheus Revisited".


Is it because he's against war?

How is Obama against war? The US has more forces in Iraq (http://www.infowars.com/us-actually-increasing-personnel-in-iraq-more-contractors-fewer-troops/) now than ever before: Obama just replaces the soldiers with civilian contractors. In Afghanistan the US has at the moment more personel present than the Russians at the height of the Afghan war. He will support Israel in bombing Iran if all else fails; he seeks a confrontation with Russia and he's expanding the Afghan war into Pakistan (and beyond). Obama more than McCain was the favorite candidate of the military-industrial complex, and for a good reason too.


Please. I challenge you to enlighten me without the use of your "Holy" Bibles. Give me hard evidence that proves Obama is the anti-christ without the use of your Bibles and I may just believe you.

Trying to argue that this or that person is the Antichrist without refering to the bible is kind of pointless, is it not? But if you must: seek for someone (http://www.infowars.com/in-violation-of-the-constitution-obama-takes-on-chairmanship-of-un-security-council/) with plenty of ambition, and follow the money trail.

Siebenbürgerin
Thursday, September 17th, 2009, 09:36 AM
Hmm, it depends what's meant by Antichrist. In my view, the Messiah stories are an antithesis of Christ. Obama is the opposite of a Messiah. But whether he's the one to fulfill the Biblical prophecies, it can't be known for sure.

Hmm, let's see how the Antichrist is described, if Obama has these characteristics:


This one Antichrist is spoken of in more detail by Paul in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. Paul uses the term man of sin to describe what John identifies as the Antichrist. Paul writes that this Man of Sin (sometimes translated son of perdition) will possess a number of characteristics. These include "sitting in the temple", opposing himself against anything that is worshiped, claiming divine authority, working all kinds of counterfeit miracles and signs, and doing all kinds of evil. Paul notes that "the mystery of lawlessness" (though not the Man of Sin himself) was working in secret already during his day and will continue to function until being destroyed on the Last Day. His identity is to be revealed after that which is restraining him is removed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antichrist

Obama is claiming divine authority, is a sinner, but is he the only?

velvet
Thursday, September 17th, 2009, 12:07 PM
This is not so much about the literal word of the bible, but about what stood, and probably stands, behind. Christianity is about the creation of a 'reign of god', or even 'reich of god'. Therefor people were kept 'innocent' (read: uneducated and stupid) like children (see paradise for details, where wolfs and lions are just as innocent like children, who do no harm to any other creature). Anyway, this reign though must, by design, have a counterforce, since the reign of god is brought about by christ (a title, not a person), this counterforce is called, consequently, the anti-christ.
This enemy-by-design is used to keep the herd in line.

The anti-christ can come in different shapes, someone who would try to bring about a new heathen era would probably as well qualify for that title, since this new heathen reign would deny the christian god and would not strive for the paradise. But this might be not really correct, since heathenism exists outside the christian world.

The real anti-christ can, by design and definition, only come from the inside of the 'reign of god'. The anti-christ is a man of god, someone who will be perceived as on the same level like the pope for example, a new prophet, who turns the christian order from the inside upside down. He will seduce the innocent with another promise of the paradise. He will claim divine authority. And he will claim himself to fight the anti-christ.

In many aspects this applies to Obama. People fall to his charisma and his words (the elections), he covers his intentions and goals in false prophecies of a paradise (the wars for peace). For many he seems to be some sort of messiah, who will have by design of this figure divine authority. He redeclares the constitution as a product of the anti-christ force, as evil, thus his obligation to fight the evil from within. There are many things he's done with such a symbolic meaning, but he (along with his countless staff to plan those things) is good to cover the pattern that so far only reveals itself to the alert observer.

And in this context it really doesnt matter if the bible is a lie from a - z, its symbolism is around long enough to have by itself the power to create the anti-christ, even if christ never existed.

Astrid Runa
Thursday, September 17th, 2009, 12:30 PM
That still doesn't prove that Obama is the anti-Christ.
As far as I'm aware, "Heathen" is a religion, not the word for someone who is against Christ.

Okay, by that logic, any Christian leader could be the anti-Christ, Hel, any Christian could be the anti-Christ. So what makes you so sure that Obama is the anti-Christ?
Hel, how do I know the very people who are trying to convince the rest of us that Obama is the anti-Christ aren't the anti-Christ themselves?
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Siebenbürgerin
Thursday, September 17th, 2009, 12:44 PM
Okay, by that logic, any Christian leader could be the anti-Christ, Hel, any Christian could be the anti-Christ. So what makes you so sure that Obama is the anti-Christ?
Hel, how do I know the very people who are trying to convince the rest of us that Obama is the anti-Christ aren't the anti-Christ themselves?
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Of course the Antichrist could be a Christian too. Why couldn't be it? Christians can sin and act against Christ too. Sometime the enemy could come from the own rank.

Astrid Runa
Thursday, September 17th, 2009, 01:43 PM
So, where's the logic behind the argument that Obama is the anti-Christ?
Why can't the Pope be anti-Christ? Or any other Christian leader? Why is it soley Obama?

Old Winter
Thursday, September 17th, 2009, 02:07 PM
I am not Jewish or Christian so the antichrist does not exist for me.

Siebenbürgerin
Thursday, September 17th, 2009, 02:58 PM
So, where's the logic behind the argument that Obama is the anti-Christ?
Why can't the Pope be anti-Christ? Or any other Christian leader? Why is it soley Obama?
As I've said it's not a certain thing whether Obama is the Antichrist or not, at least in my view. But I've doubts the Pope can be the Antichrist, because he hasn't committed the major sins like opposing himself to the holy things.

Kogen
Thursday, September 17th, 2009, 03:04 PM
Is not his name supposed to be six letters with each word? Obama is five.

So start translating it to Hebrew.

velvet
Thursday, September 17th, 2009, 04:13 PM
So, where's the logic behind the argument that Obama is the anti-Christ?
Why can't the Pope be anti-Christ? Or any other Christian leader? Why is it soley Obama?

In theory, indeed the pope can be the anti-christ. Or any other christan for that matter.
The points that make Obama suspicious (even if they do, at least so far, not constitute a proof) are numerous though. Probably there are countless anti-christs out there, the difference is that Obama has power and the others not, which enables him to move something and the others not.

An whether he's the anti-christ or not, fact is that he is dangerous and should be closely watched.



For the name thingy: many of the sixes that appear in bible translations are erroneous, Hebrew is not that concrete when it comes to numbers. In addition, Hebrew letters represent more than just a letter or phonetical sound, they are numbers, ideas, can refer to realms of angels and even entire concepts.

A simple transcript of his name into Hebrew wouldnt do, the problem starts with that Hebrew doesnt offer a phoenetical 'o', so this letter probably needs two letters to be transcribed? Dont know.
Phoenetically only 'iod' would make sense to start with, iod represents the singularity and the origin as a concept, as number value is represents 10. 'beth' has the value 2 and counts double in kabbalistic. 'aleph' has the kabbalistic value 'mother' and is given as 1. 'mem' also has the kabbalistic value 'mother' and is 40.
It is, somehow, interesting that his name, assumed that I applied the 'iod' correctly here, contains 2 of 3 'mother' letters and the one that represents the origin and singularity, with 'beth' being the only normal letter with no special meaning in kabbalistics.


Edit:
Another kabbalistic number playing resulted in the number 666 :D
Not really correctly used, but Barrack gives 66, Obama 33 = 6

Astrid Runa
Thursday, September 17th, 2009, 05:15 PM
I am not Jewish or Christian so the antichrist does not exist for me.

Neither does the anti-Christ exist for me.
I just fail to see the logic behind these accusations.....

Kogen
Thursday, September 17th, 2009, 08:14 PM
Well if you want to be exact about it, then this was supposed to happen in 1004/5 (Christ's birth was 4-5 years off). And if for some reason people want to think they meant '2000', then it is still too late.

Ocko
Sunday, September 20th, 2009, 01:51 AM
that muslim commie with a messiah complex is just a weirdo, a puppet used by his sugardaddy Soros. And Soros is the left hand of Rothschild.

It doesn't really matter who is president. Obama is Bushpresidency III. term. Nothing changed.

Obamas messiah status is based on his use of NLP technique. The evidence you can get from this website:

http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama's_Use_of_Hidden_Hypnosis_technique s_in_His_Speeches.pdf

I am not christian that means I don't have a dualistic understanding of the world. Dualism means: God/Satan, Good/bad and so on.

I am pagan, For me the world is holistic, everything has its place and its meaning. In the Edda, Loki lives among the Gods, is best friend of Wodan and so on. It looks somewhat similar as the beginning of the book Job (Hiob) where Satan challenges God that his devoutest human can be distracted.

The evil isn't really evil it is just as it is.


To read a religious book like the bible for an exoteric understanding is a complete misrepresentation of a religious book. For my understanding it is meant solely internally. Their is no morality in pagan belief. We don't get salvaltion through moral deeds. You have to have a connections with the Gods.

Christ and Antichrist do exist, but beside them many other things exist, both of them are not completely antagonistic but they are part of a whole thing with sometimes opposed roles sometimes they work together.

As Goethe said in his 'Faust': Der Geist, der stets das Boese will und doch das Gute schafft. (the spirit who always intends the evil but produces the good)


So will Obama produce the good in people because they are faced with the ultimate evil. To fight it they have to produce the good, and it looks they will.

Waldstein
Sunday, November 22nd, 2009, 05:49 PM
Perhaps he would like to be, but he isn't.
This man comes far closer to the definition of the Antichrist (from Ante-Christos, : the first-anointed.)

http://www.crossrevival.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=608
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahmat_Ahmad , who is related with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Ghulam_Ahmad

Ullarsskald
Sunday, November 22nd, 2009, 06:05 PM
I'm more and more seeing "Jimmy Carter" Version 2.0.

CharlesMartel
Wednesday, November 25th, 2009, 11:32 PM
Barack Obama is constantly being presented and hailed as a Messiah, Savior and God-like figure while his religious views and motivations are equally suspicious. Present or dispute evidence that could suggest Barack Obama is the antichrist.

Obama is an anti-Christ, to be sure. He is one of many. Despite his advances on the ideological battlefield, he can't and won't win, ultimately. His liabilities are all too obvious, as are his weaknesses. He's been exposed as a fraud, villain, and enemy of Christ and His New Chosen People, to the extent that righteous armies are marshelling and gaining momentum against him moreso every day. No.........THE Anti-Christ won't be so heavy-handed, overtly radical, and painfully subject to the degree of public suspicion and ridicule that characterize Obama's lot.

Bollwerk
Thursday, November 26th, 2009, 12:13 AM
Any creature with Obama's racial and religious background qualifies as an antichrist.

CharlesMartel
Thursday, November 26th, 2009, 01:42 AM
Any creature with Obama's racial and religious background qualifies as an antichrist.

I don't hold his race against him. It's his beliefs: Communist, Black Nationalist, Muslim. Also, his character is seriously flawed, in as much as he's dishonest to the core. He's a chronic liar, to say the very least.

D. H. Yeager
Thursday, November 26th, 2009, 03:20 AM
Well if the shoe fits, Obama may be Satan's Cinderella, however, it is too early too tell. If there ever were an antichrist it was Hitler and Obama hasn't quite reached head nazi hancho statis yet. . . . But if anyone currently is going to fit the bill, he is sure in the position to.

Bollwerk
Thursday, November 26th, 2009, 11:13 PM
I don't hold his race against him.

I do !

GermaniaGirl
Monday, January 18th, 2010, 02:58 PM
Your political leanings may be quite different from his, but Obama is an individual who chose to be excellent. Yes, he was raised w/o a father, born half black, without much money and became a Constitutional lawyer from the top law university in the U.S., headed the Law Review at Harvard, became a community organizer (which has wrongly been made fun of), and has reached to the top by at least appearing to appeal to 'reason' rather than hackneyed patriotism that should be sold in a box of CrackerJacks. I'm all for personal excellence.

Dick Cheney is evil. And don't even get me started on the fact that the Bush's father, Prescott, was Hitler's banker during WW2. Fact.

Old Winter
Monday, January 18th, 2010, 03:30 PM
Your political leanings may be quite different from his, but Obama is an individual who chose to be excellent. Yes, he was raised w/o a father, born half black, without much money and became a Constitutional lawyer from the top law university in the U.S., headed the Law Review at Harvard, became a community organizer (which has wrongly been made fun of), and has reached to the top by at least appearing to appeal to 'reason' rather than hackneyed patriotism that should be sold in a box of CrackerJacks. I'm all for personal excellence.

Dick Cheney is evil. And don't even get me started on the fact that the Bush's father, Prescott, was Hitler's banker during WW2. Fact.

The same people who gave money to Hitler where the same people who worked together with Stalin and are behind the power of obama.

Æmeric
Monday, January 18th, 2010, 04:18 PM
Your political leanings may be quite different from his, but Obama is an individual who chose to be excellent. Yes, he was raised w/o a father, born half black, without much money and became a Constitutional lawyer from the top law university in the U.S., headed the Law Review at Harvard, became a community organizer (which has wrongly been made fun of), and has reached to the top by at least appearing to appeal to 'reason' rather than hackneyed patriotism that should be sold in a box of CrackerJacks. I'm all for personal excellence.
Obama got were he his by being black. All of his life he has been patronized because of his race & unusual Afro-Islamic name. He stepped onto the national stage at just the right moment & rode the wave of multiracial/culturalism ethusiasm to the White House. If you look closely at Obama there is no substance to him. It is his circumstances, not his accomplishments, that make him unique. He is not even typical for Black Americans. He has also been the beneficiary of several politcal flutes, starting with the 2004 US Senate race in Illinois, where the Republican dropped out because of embarrassing revelations about his divorce & the Republicans threw the race to Obama by nominating a Negro Conservative (:oanieyes) from Maryland as the Republican replacement. And the 2008 presidential election was unusual in that there was a huge backlash against Bush, the Republicans nominated old, uninspiring John McCain & the banking crisis took place in the middle of the campaign.

Dick Cheney is evil. And how does that justify Obama?


And don't even get me started on the fact that the Bush's father, Prescott, was Hitler's banker during WW2. Fact.That was the senoir Bush's father but so what? Again what is the rational that justifies Obama?

Old Winter
Tuesday, January 19th, 2010, 12:18 PM
How about being anti-Bush and anti-Obama, this is not a neo-con forum, most here (or i believe everyone) do not support the neo-cons.

I was against both groups during the elections, Mccain and Obama, everything is split into two groups, there is no third option anymore, even in my land its left or right but nothing else.

GroeneWolf
Tuesday, January 19th, 2010, 04:27 PM
I was against both groups during the elections, Mccain and Obama, everything is split into two groups, there is no third option anymore, even in my land its left or right but nothing else.

Nominal center right only. The VVD came from a progressive liberal party and only tolerates a few right wingers among there ranks. And the CDA may have been result of a fusion including the ARP, but is also moving towards the left.

Now about being both anti-McCain and anti-Obama :thumbup . Both are heads of the same hydra in essence. Only with McCain Euro-Americans would still have the illusion of being in control of American politics.

GermaniaGirl
Sunday, January 31st, 2010, 07:37 PM
The same people who gave money to Hitler where the same people who worked together with Stalin and are behind the power of obama.

That sounds like so many degrees removed. Where is your proof of this? Are you referencing socialism? In any case, I think having a FATHER WHO WAS HITLER'S VERY PERSONAL BANKER AND GETTING YOUR ASSETS FROZEN BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT FOR THIS is much, much, much more significant than so-and-so knows so-and-so who backed each other and are now backing this guy. Come on. Really? People who supported Stalin are still young enough to be around and politically active? I think your statement is very obtuse. Where I point to specific facts, people, and events, you give me a generalization that is based on...I don't know what.


Obama got were he his by being black. All of his life he has been patronized because of his race & unusual Afro-Islamic name. He stepped onto the national stage at just the right moment & rode the wave of multiracial/culturalism ethusiasm to the White House.
That was the senoir Bush's father but so what? Again what is the rational that justifies Obama?


I can understand being for Germanic heritage, but closed-mindedness is shameful. If Obama profited off his race his whole life, we should know that he used affirmative action, but there is no evidence of that. So where in "ALL his life" has he been patronized for his race? He got into the schools he did based on merit. Whether you think he has proper "experience" necessary to be executive and chief, he is intellectually qualified in a way that our last president especially cannot even compare - his oratory and debating skills are unmatched on the political scene. (So there's a little bit of rationale that justifies Obama.) Bush rode his way to the White House on Daddy's back, but nobody here would peep about his "free ride" and being "patronized".

What is the big deal about Bush's father? Because people play association games all the time with the Left and Obama, that I think being a contributor to, oh WW2 is sorta worth mentioning at least once! So when Bush is connected DIRECTLY and PERSONALLY to Hitler (it wasn't so far removed. Bush KNEW his own father and grandfather), association is a useless game. Funny, on one side someone can be directly connected to the devil, but people are muttering about Obama being the Anti-Christ. That's some real cognitive dissonance there.
You cannot be a proud (Germanic) person and purposely refuse to see facts because they do not suit you. The truth should not threaten us.Denying what is, is not a path to superiority and definitely doesn't ensure your placement as superior. I'm proud of the native intelligence of the Germanic people. Let's keep the record up and not blind ourselves to certain truths because it doesn't feel so nice.

Sigurd
Sunday, January 31st, 2010, 11:15 PM
The same people who gave money to Hitler where the same people who worked together with Stalin and are behind the power of obama.

Of course! How could I miss it, Obama has long been sighted in the appropriate attire to become Hitler's successor! :oanieyes

http://blogs.citypages.com/gop/Obama%20nazi.bmp

:P

Æmeric
Monday, February 1st, 2010, 06:25 PM
I can understand being for Germanic heritage, but closed-mindedness is shameful. If Obama profited off his race his whole life, we should know that he used affirmative action, but there is no evidence of that. So where in "ALL his life" has he been patronized for his race? He got into the schools he did based on merit. Whether you think he has proper "experience" necessary to be executive and chief, he is intellectually qualified in a way that our last president especially cannot even compare - his oratory and debating skills are unmatched on the political scene. (So there's a little bit of rationale that justifies Obama.)
Where have you been the last year? It has become apparent that Obama is all image & no substance. There is no way he got where he is today (and in the past in academia) on merit along. He has been patronized his entire life by lefties because of his unusual background - biracial child of a White mother & Kenyan father, very unusual for 1961. And the weird name. And he is from Hawaii. The only way a White guy with Obama's qualification scould have got to the White house is if he had family connections.

Bush rode his way to the White House on Daddy's back, but nobody here would peep about his "free ride" and being "patronized".



Wake up! Everyone knows that Bush is neer-do-well that got where he is today on family connections. As was his opponent in 2000, Al Gore. And his opponent in 2004, John Kerry.:blueroll:

Devin De Blois
Wednesday, February 24th, 2010, 02:53 PM
B.O. is the anti-christ in that he is so vehemently pro abortion, pro planned parenthood, pro affirmative action, pro open borders, pro gun control, etc. B.O. is a max traitor and we'll see in the very short run I believe if B.O. is the anti-christ or not and I'm made up of my own mind that he may very well be the anti-christ talked about in the book of Revelation. God help us all that this child has been elected our president! I can't believe there appears to be people on this board who back B.O.! You'd think this would be the last place to find B.O. sheeple. These white Americans who support the Obamessiah are race traitors, American traitors, and lukewarm pushovers of the highest degree. It clearly is not the politicians who are to blame, but the Americans who put them in office for our problems.

velvet
Wednesday, February 24th, 2010, 03:45 PM
That sounds like so many degrees removed. Where is your proof of this? Are you referencing socialism? In any case, I think having a FATHER WHO WAS HITLER'S VERY PERSONAL BANKER AND GETTING YOUR ASSETS FROZEN BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT FOR THIS

Yeah, this should ring some alarm bells, shouldnt it?



I can understand being for Germanic heritage, but closed-mindedness is shameful. If Obama profited off his race his whole life, we should know that he used affirmative action, but there is no evidence of that.

As far as I'm aware, as a black you dont have to apply for affirmative action, you get it blown into your a** whether you want it or not.


So where in "ALL his life" has he been patronized for his race? He got into the schools he did based on merit.

What about the silently applied different standards for black and whites? With his results you would never be able to visit Harvard or whatever.


Whether you think he has proper "experience" necessary to be executive and chief, he is intellectually qualified in a way that our last president especially cannot even compare - his oratory and debating skills are unmatched on the political scene.

So, now talking and professional smiling defines someone as qualified for president? He could as well have become an insurance seller, there such skills are highly recommended :D



What is the big deal about Bush's father? Because people play association games all the time with the Left and Obama, that I think being a contributor to, oh WW2 is sorta worth mentioning at least once! So when Bush is connected DIRECTLY and PERSONALLY to Hitler

Then this is still much better for White America than having a black, muslim president.


(it wasn't so far removed. Bush KNEW his own father and grandfather), association is a useless game. Funny, on one side someone can be directly connected to the devil, but people are muttering about Obama being the Anti-Christ. That's some real cognitive dissonance there.

Talking about association games... funny how you pick up without hesitation and second thought the association Hitler = devil. :oanieyes


You cannot be a proud (Germanic) person and purposely refuse to see facts because they do not suit you.

Wise words, can you stand up to them? Specially regarding "Satan himself Hitler"?


The truth should not threaten us.Denying what is, is not a path to superiority and definitely doesn't ensure your placement as superior.

A black, muslim president ruling a once white country isnt a way to superiority either. It is a direct way into third world conditions and mixed-race 'all equality' - dumb people.


I'm proud of the native intelligence of the Germanic people. Let's keep the record up and not blind ourselves to certain truths because it doesn't feel so nice.

I hope you're ready then to take your lesson. :wsg
Forget everything the brainwashed and brainwashing teachers told you, and open your eyes to the truth. And believe me, this lesson will hurt.

OneWolf
Wednesday, February 24th, 2010, 03:58 PM
Obama is a mullato who shi$ talked his way into the presidency by telling everyone exactly what they wanted to hear.Backed by Oprahs millions he snuck in and tried to force the Anglos into a tax trap with National Healthcare.

If you still believe that there is such a thing as an "Antichrist" you need stop believing in Santa Clause also.Obama was in the right place at the right time.
Almost all of Americas youth listens to Rap.I'm sure that now they have a guilty conscience and feel sorry for all the "Brothers" and that also helped sway the vote in his favor.

HagenvonTronje
Wednesday, February 24th, 2010, 04:07 PM
I didn't read all the post, so pardon me if it has already be mentioned in this context. As for the "free riders" Bush, Gore, Kennedy etc. that have made it on the top/or close to the top of the White House, they are all skull&bones members...as is your good buddy Barack Obama. He is most certainly a result of the temporary trend and the media hype which has created it!! He is just another marionette for the same traitors to our forefathers, us and our descendents. Just open your eyes and you will easily see all the connections, and in the meantime BO as well as GWB sr. and jr. are laughing at you blind sheeps who are still praising and defending them.
So much for that, as for the original question of this topic: BO is not the socalled anti-christ. He is just a tool and therfore even a lower existence than what we are talking about (same is for all the other persons in mentioned and many more)!!

Ragnar Lodbrok
Wednesday, February 24th, 2010, 04:34 PM
B.O. is the anti-christ in that he is so vehemently pro abortion, pro planned parenthood, pro affirmative action, pro open borders, pro gun control, etc. B.O. is a max traitor and we'll see in the very short run I believe if B.O. is the anti-christ or not and I'm made up of my own mind that he may very well be the anti-christ talked about in the book of Revelation. God help us all that this child has been elected our president! I can't believe there appears to be people on this board who back B.O.! You'd think this would be the last place to find B.O. sheeple. These white Americans who support the Obamessiah are race traitors, American traitors, and lukewarm pushovers of the highest degree. It clearly is not the politicians who are to blame, but the Americans who put them in office for our problems.

Obama a candidate for the Antichrist? lets ponder this for a sec...

The Antichrist is suppose to be a guy who preaches things about peace, love and leading people into great times. After gaining followers he's also suppose to revolt against all organized religions, bar-code everyone and reinstall idol worship. Also he's suppose to resemble Jesus himself(be his imposter) and ride out of Persia(read this on an occult site) to claim himself as the second coming.

Sounds alittle far fetched saying that Barack Obama actually resembles this guy, and not just because Obama is biracial american instead of Iranian or from "Persian." Despite what Germaniagirl just said about him he's not that spectacular or great of a guy to be able to be the Antichrist. Sure he can debate, but he lacks alot of the experience that equally as bad presidents have had, he's also really not a good orator or leader, the guy needs a teleprompter with him whenever making a speech. Could this guy gain a bunch of followers to worship him into doing all the things I mentioned above, of course not, he's an idiot...certainly not Antichrist material.

Frithuwald
Sunday, March 7th, 2010, 01:44 AM
Anyone who thinks Obama is the "anti christ" is a fool. If the best the presumed "forces of good" can muster is George Bush, John McCain and Sarah Palin then in a biblical sense (which frankly I'm far from convinced by) we are all f***ed.

Barack Obama is president by virtue of having an amazing intellect and a good character.

That's it.

Devin De Blois
Monday, March 8th, 2010, 05:38 PM
Barack Obama is President by virtue of him being adept at paying obsequious court to the people. My God, are you actually a teacher?



Anyone who thinks Obama is the "anti christ" is a fool. If the best the presumed "forces of good" can muster is George Bush, John McCain and Sarah Palin then in a biblical sense (which frankly I'm far from convinced by) we are all f***ed.

Barack Obama is president by virtue of having an amazing intellect and a good character.

That's it.

SpearBrave
Tuesday, March 9th, 2010, 12:10 AM
Barack Obama is president by virtue of having an amazing intellect and a good character.

That's it.

Until his teleprompter breaks down.:D

Make no mistake about this president is cold and calculating. He has a clear agenda and that is to remain in power and nothing else.

As far as him running the country goes, I have no idea how good he is at that because he is not running the country.

Ralf
Tuesday, March 9th, 2010, 12:12 AM
According to the Bible, in the Old Testament, so the term anti-Christ isnt used, but the discription identifies the subject as such, he will be blind in one eye.

If you read the Islamic propiesies, I think they are called the Hardish or similar, the anti christ is described as having one eye, some descriptions say "a floating eye".

It is thought the anti-christ will imerge from the house of Rothschild.
As he will be the leader of a One World Satanic government, a New World Order, I ask you to consider the following picture of the Dollar with its latin inscription of New World Order, along with a floating eye just as the Holy books have prophsied.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Nambocttr/Dollarbill.jpg

Now the most powerfull man in British politics is Lord Mandelson who as it happens is in the habit of taking his holidays with the Rothschilds, I wonder if he is giving a message with his hand position as they like to do?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Nambocttr/2297272408_73e6d61eaa.jpg

Now young people are allready being subliminaly programmed to accept the anti-christ whe he comes, maybe you have seen the likes of Lady Ga Ga forever looking with one eye through a triangle she makes with her hand?

Looks like Jay Z is in the same club, why else would he be making a Pyramid with his hands with the light so positioned so it shines like the eye on the top of the dollar?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Nambocttr/jayz.jpg

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TXRog
Friday, April 22nd, 2011, 12:14 AM
Obummer is a Negro who has ridden "the Race Card" all through his political career.

Furthermore, it is Oprah Winfrey (I still don't understand the appeal this woman has with middle aged White women in America) and her public relations people who are responsible for plucking an obscure junior senator from IL (having accomplished no noteworthy accomplishments during his 3 years there except voting on issues that further restricted law-abiding citizens from exercising their rights as set forth in the Constitution) and placing him onto the world stage.

GermaniaGirl you must be one of the very few Liberals in OC. When I first moved to LA I was shocked when I first went down there and the completely different world that existed once I entered OC - no graffiti all over like LA, no large gang presence, etc. I asked a friend of mine who was born there about this and he simply told me OC is predominantly White Conservative Republicans where most everyone has guns. Great schools and the OC constantly ranks in the top 5 of best places to live in the US, best places to raise children, etc.

Here is a good argument and undeniable proof that the people in OC are doing something "right" - no pun intended but it certainly fits.

You really need to start doing some independent research on what has been happening in this country since Obummer has taken office and the threat he poses to Americans' civil liberties.

Stop drinking the Kool Aid and start using your brain rather than regurgitating the same "Liberal mantra" that you Liberals repeat over and over when confronted with facts about this "magic Negro."

RoyBatty
Friday, April 22nd, 2011, 12:28 AM
Barack Obama is president by virtue of having an amazing intellect and a good character.


You're not a very sound judge of character are you? :D

SaxonPagan
Friday, April 22nd, 2011, 12:35 AM
By Ralf Rossa: According to the Bible, in the Old Testament, so the term anti-Christ isnt used, but the discription identifies the subject as such, he will be blind in one eye.


Bloody hell ... it's Nick Griffin!!!! :-O

TXRog
Friday, April 22nd, 2011, 12:38 AM
Anyone who thinks Obama is the "anti christ" is a fool. If the best the presumed "forces of good" can muster is George Bush, John McCain and Sarah Palin then in a biblical sense (which frankly I'm far from convinced by) we are all f***ed.

Barack Obama is president by virtue of having an amazing intellect and a good character.

That's it.

Here we are on Skadi discussing topical issues that threaten the very future existence of our great Germanic heritage, culture, history, peoples...

We need look no further than this very forum to explain WHY such things as sweet, innocent little children are getting hit in the mouth with bricks (another recent thread topic on here) and Scandinavian women are being raped and murdered by immigrant scum - the Liberal mindset is the root "cause" of this as it impedes those "afflicted with the disease" to make rational, clear and logical decisions based on facts.

I have attached this image on a previous comment I made and feel it appropriate to once again share it - I present to my Germanic brothers and sisters "The Liberal Brain" (please not that the "Common Sense Particle is just that - a particle - and is so small it requires the use of an electron microscope to be seen).

Æmeric
Wednesday, April 6th, 2016, 03:28 PM
The results from the last seven years show that the "messiah" has driven the US into a much worst position then in 2008. What little immigration enforcement we had, prior to 2008, has ceased. Public debt has exploded, the marxist-cultural left has made great strides under Obama with same-sex marriage now the law of the land. Negroes and LGBTs have become much more militant and "in-your-face". And the economic signs are indicating we are headed for a a much bigger crisis then the credit freeze of 2008. Globally we've had the "refugee" crisis in Europe, endless wars across the Islamic world and the rise of ISIS. Obama still has nine and 1/2 months left, I expect an October surprise that really screws over Western Civilization.

Rhaegar Thorwald
Wednesday, April 6th, 2016, 08:07 PM
People will look back at Obama's two terms with nostalgia when the Hildabeast becomes Puppet-in-Chief.

Coillearnach
Thursday, April 7th, 2016, 04:29 AM
No and it's cheapening the gravity of that term to keep slapping it on every horrific world leader that comes around.