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AngryPotato
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 01:03 AM
I didn't realize that this was happening in Turkey. I forget that Turkey is mostly in Asia and seems to be something that happens regularly in Asia/Africa. Craziness.

Dad strangles raped girl for family's honour

April 29 2004 at 06:33PM

By Suzan Fraser

Ankara - Ignoring the pleas of his 14-year-old daughter to spare her life, Mehmet Halitogullari pulls on a wire wrapped around her neck and strangles her - supposedly to restore the family's honour after she was kidnapped and raped.

Nuran Halitogullari, buried on Thursday in a ceremony attended by women's rights advocates, is the latest victim of a long history of "honour killing", which the government is struggling to curb.

Each year, dozens of girls are killed in Turkey by relatives for allegedly disgracing their families, some for merely being seen speaking to men. The practice is especially common in Turkey's more traditional south-east, and among families who have migrated to big cities from the region.

'No reductions should be made'
The killings also occur in Pakistan and some countries of the Middle East, where virginity and chastity are cherished, and among immigrant families in European Union countries like Britain and Sweden.

The EU, which Turkey aspires to join, is pressing the country to take steps to curb the practice it says is a violation of women's rights.

Parliament last year voted to raise the punishment for such crimes, which could bring as many as 24 years in prison. But a loophole in the laws allows relatives to escape with reduced sentences as light as eight years if they can prove they were "provoked" into committing the crime.

European countries want Turkey to ensure that family members cannot benefit from the reductions.

"No reductions should be made and everyone should know that such crimes will be punished and that no one can escape," Sweden's ambassador to Turkey, Anne Dismorr, said in an interview with the weekly Nokta magazine. "In our view the main cause behind the honour killings is the fact that honour is regarded as grounds for reduced sentences."

'Everyone should know that such crimes will be punished'
Turkey has embarked on a major overhaul of its penal code and is expected to rectify the loophole, but the draft code is still weeks away from being endorsed. Some politicians on Thursday called on the government to immediately bring the issue to parliament.

Lawyer Senal Saruhan, a woman's rights advocate, fears, however, that the draft may not be enough stop the killings. She insists that family members who incite or encourage the killings should be punished alongside the perpetrators.

"Unless we bring severe punishments we will never stop these killings," she said.

Guldal Aksit, the minister in charge of women's issues, said legal arrangements alone would not stop the killings.

"These are not problems that we can solve on paper by changing laws. We need to educate society," she said.

Women's groups believe that a number of suicides among young women in the south-east are in fact murders perpetrated by family members who believe they are saving the family's honour. Often the youngest member of the family is forced to carry out the killings in the belief that a youth would get a less stringent punishment.

Newspapers said Halitogullari was abducted in Istanbul on her way back from a trip to the supermarket and raped over six days. She was rescued by police and returned to her family.

The murder came to light this week but it was not clear when it took place.

In a rare confession, Mehmet Hatipogullari told police that he and other relatives allegedly took the girl to an aunt's home where he strangled her, ignoring her pleas and her cries, Sabah said.

"I decided to kill her because our honour was dirtied," Sabah quoted the father as saying. "I didn't listen to her pleas, I wrapped the wire around her neck and pulled at it until she died."

He said he buried her body beneath a chicken coop, which upset his other children, and later buried her in a forest.

Sabah said Halitogullari also planned to kill his daughter's rapist.

On Wednesday, authorities charged two brothers with murder after they shot their sister in the head in her hospital bed, as she was recovering from an earlier attack by them. The 22-year-old woman was shot for having a child out of wedlock.

Last year, a pregnant woman who was reportedly stoned to death by her family after having an affair was buried in a pauper's grave after her family refused to bury her. - Sapa-AP

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Telperion
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 01:06 AM
One wonders why Turks are surprised that they still haven't been admitted to the EU.

Sigrun Christianson
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 01:10 AM
What a lovely practice! Kidnapped and sexually tortured for six days, and then murdered by her own father. My parents always tried to protect and console me, but what do they know? ;)

nicholas
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 03:38 AM
and the politically correct liberals in this country want me to accept those savages as equals.

Any culture that condones this deserves to be crushed under the steel toe of teh American empire. Sadly my govt panders to these monsters.

Nicholas

Esther_Helena
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 03:58 AM
It's things like this that make me proud to be an American. So it is dishonorable to have a raped daughter in the family, and it is honorable to have murderer in it? Honor my @$$.

Willowsprout
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 04:05 AM
I will honourable give him the same treatmet as his daughter:( But, kill him with my hands the hands of a woman after several men from some prison get their sexual relief alleveiated by/from him.
Im just miffed about this world sometimes
:|

nicholas
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 04:08 AM
It's things like this that make me proud to be an American. So it is dishonorable to have a raped daughter in the family, and it is honorable to have murderer in it? Honor my @$$.
What gets me is that the mentality of rape being the womans fault is prevalent in the mid-east, asia, and africa. A freind of mine was yammering about teh enlightened Hindus. I reminded him that its the law for wives to throw themselves on their husbands funeral pyre. and its customary to commit female infanticide.

Enlightened my ass! Hand me a ball bat, I'll enlighten the lot of them!

Nicholas

bocian
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 04:44 AM
It's things like this that make me proud to be an American. So it is dishonorable to have a raped daughter in the family, and it is honorable to have murderer in it? Honor my @$$.

Go ahead, be proud to be American. Nothing wrong with that, but as brutal as these incidents in Turkey might be, the things that go on in the States are no better.

Keep off, or I shoot!

Esther_Helena
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 06:19 AM
Go ahead, be proud to be American. Nothing wrong with that, but as brutal as these incidents in Turkey might be, the things that go on in the States are no better.

Keep off, or I shoot!
I'm very well aware of that. We have laws against that sort of thing. It's a shame they didn't address the issue much earlier. They should have addressed the issue at the first incident. I'm not saying Americans are better, but you don't see us waiting for example, 500 people to be murdered before we make killing illegal.

rusalka
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 06:32 AM
I'm very well aware of that. We have laws against that sort of thing. It's a shame they didn't address the issue much earlier. They should have addressed the issue at the first incident. I'm not saying Americans are better, but you don't see us waiting for example, 500 people to be murdered before we make killing illegal.
Typical American reaction. And what makes you think that there are no laws against "honor killings" in Turkey? Do you seriously think that it is not against the laws, that it is not addressed? Please. Such unfortunate practices are mostly Eastern Anatolian "folk customs", in a land where a girl's price is calculated over her virginity and without it, she isn't worth much. These families who decide to clean their honor and get caught most certainly serve prison sentences. And does this work? Apparently not as it should, tradition, be it good or bad, is hard to break.

Esther_Helena
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 06:55 AM
Typical American reaction. And what makes you think that there are no laws against "honor killings" in Turkey? Do you seriously think that it is not against the laws, that it is not addressed? Please. Such unfortunate practices are mostly Eastern Anatolian "folk customs", in a land where a girl's price is calculated over her virginity and without it, she isn't worth much. These families who decide to clean their honor and get caught most certainly serve prison sentences. And does this work? Apparently not as it should, tradition, be it good or bad, is hard to break.I never said there weren't any laws. There's no need to attack me. I'm not saying you are, but it seems like it. It's also not an American tradition to kill a family member if they dishonor that family.

rusalka
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 07:05 AM
I never said there weren't any laws. There's no need to attack me. I'm not saying you are, but it seems like it.
This sounds like that you meant that:


I'm very well aware of that. We have laws against that sort of thing. It's a shame they didn't address the issue much earlier. They should have addressed the issue at the first incident. I'm not saying Americans are better, but you don't see us waiting for example, 500 people to be murdered before we make killing illegal.
Of course I wasn't attacking you. I was just being critical of a typical American approach on such matters. Most Americans seriously think that America is a land of wonders and extreme fairness and it's the castle of democracy all by itself. Well, it's not. There are laws in other countries too. Having a law and having everyone abide by it are two different matters though. And it's unrealistic if not downright naive to think that a secular country whose constitution is based on Switzerland's has no such laws. I'm not talking about how well they are kept, nor am I standing up for the Turkish constitution and laws; but it's not exactly tribal rule out there either.

Esther_Helena
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 07:25 AM
This sounds like that you meant that:


Of course I wasn't attacking you. I was just being critical of a typical American approach on such matters. Most Americans seriously think that America is a land of wonders and extreme fairness and it's the castle of democracy all by itself. Well, it's not. There are laws in other countries too. Having a law and having everyone abide by it are two different matters though. And it's unrealistic if not downright naive to think that a secular country whose constitution is based on Switzerland's has no such laws. I'm not talking about how well they are kept, nor am I standing up for the Turkish constitution and laws; but it's not exactly tribal rule out there either.
I know America isn't all (most) Americans crack it up to be. I know there are laws in other countries. I wasn't born yesterday. It's just a shame that the Turkish families feel that they have to maintain honor in such a way. :~( I'm proud to be an American in the sense that, such practices aren't known here. I'd be proud to be a member of any country that was highly against such behaviour. I just happen to be in America.

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Willowsprout
Monday, May 10th, 2004, 11:08 PM
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