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Blutwölfin
Friday, March 31st, 2006, 08:40 PM
Is an Ethnic Religion necessarily a Racist Religion? Why or why not? Leave a comment and take the poll!



informative link
The World Congress of Ethnic Religions (http://www.wcer.org/)

Ælfhere
Friday, March 31st, 2006, 10:03 PM
That all depends on how you define racism. If it means hatred or feelings of superiority based on race then no. If it means simply being ethno-centric and interested mainly in your own folk and culture then yes.

Weg
Friday, March 31st, 2006, 10:26 PM
At least is it racialist.

Sigrid
Saturday, April 1st, 2006, 07:33 AM
Because you can't tell people which people they may love or marry and what to believe in, you can't make generalized statements of a racist nature about religions whether they be ethnic religions or not.

However, the danger of opening ethnic cultures and religions to universalist inclusion will spell the destruction of the ethnic religion and will cause it to change and become non-ethnic. And the whole point of, say, the Zulu world view, is that it is of the Zulu and their folk extensions. If everyone wanted to be a Zulu (you cannot be a Zulu unless you are one, but you can adopt their world view and gods) then the Zulu would run the risk of imploding and changing and evolving into the Wiccan version of Celtic Druidism/Asatru that presently exists and is very confusing and far too inclusive of whatever anyone feels like adding to it. In fact Celtic paganism has broken down. If they wanted to rebuild it they would have to take cognizance of the "Celtic" aspect or it would be a fruitless task.

Let it be said (and who better to say it than people who are of the tribes, of the blood and of the gods and ancestors in a way that is ethnic and inextricable from that ethnicity) that racism is not a part of Heathenism. I don't speak for other ethnic or folk religions. They must speak for themselves. From my point of view, inside my skin, inside my folk consciousness and through my green eyes I see the world in a way that others will not and do not, even though it is the same world. We are all humans, yes, but all humans are different. Nature has created the greatest possible diversity among us and this has resulted in our various ways of worshipping and thinking and living. That is why "multiculturalism" as a kind of salad bowl of humanity where a Hindu lives next door to a Catholic who lives next door to a Pakistani Muslim, who lives next door to an Iraqi Muslim, who lives over the road from an agnostic Englishman who lives next door to a Sri Lankan Buddhist simply creates confusion, a lessening of bonds between people because they have so little in common and finally results in an atmosphere of "no community". Each lives in his and her own little space and all they do every day is say "hello" and "how are you?" to each other before disappearing inside and contacting their families or friends through the phone or the internet. Unity is strength, diversity is the opposite.

Ethnicity is not racist, neither is the practise of ethnic religion and culture. But these seldom are harmonious when deliberately placed side by side.

I have an illustration (I have many) of living side by side with a culture and a set of beliefs that is anathema to me and my ethnic group. This morning we heard that outside a police station near where my partner's retired parents live, the policemen slaughtered a goat and performed a ceremony to chase away evil spirits from the police station. They cut the goat's throat and did all the things that turn our stomachs and besides that upset our very advanced empathy for animals in our evolved spiritual view.

However, this is not how the people doing the goat ceremony feel about things. So we either have to get away from this, to us, intolerable situation or we have to learn to live with it. It is Africa, if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Once my ethnic group placed a ban on these ceremonies so that animal cruelty and the slaughter of animals not passed by health authorities did not make their way into the streets of the suburbs. But that is no longer the case. Now a different culture, the ethnic one, has become once again dominant. I cannot tell these people not to slaughter goats.

In my suburb, which is a lovely well maintained enormous spread of houses and townhouse complexes, etc, six goats have been slaughtered recently in the gardens of the home owners. This can be for various reasons, weddings, celebrations, magical purposes, etc. I know a young White man who had to witness this at the hostels of his university and watch as the people who killed the animal carried its bloody entrails through the canteen. He had to watch the animal's blood running down the road in front of his room and there was nothing he could do because it is ethnic culture and if he doesn't like it, too bad. It made him feel alienated and dislocated. That happens in multicultural contexts, to everyone.

My partner was walking the dogs a year back and found the drowned carcass of a goat with its legs tied together in the little river that runs through our suburb. It was obviously destined to be one of these sacrificial goats or maybe just bought to eat but had fallen into the river and drowned because its legs were bound and it couldn't save itself. You can only phone the relevant authorities and have the carcass removed. If you feel angry there is little you can do as this is ethnic culture, etc. And so it goes on and on and on .... There is no cohesion or feel-goodiness or unity in diversity. That is a blatant and deliberate fabrication on the part of the left who have failed to take responsibility for what they have created and now force people by law, who also have cultures and religions but who are not of a certain kind, to accept the situation or throw themselves off the nearest bridge. They don't care which as long as they don't interfere with multiculturalism.

This is causing more friction than there was in the old days when the different ethnic groups lived apart and didn't annoy one another by constantly offending one another in one way or another.

I am a folkish proponent for some very powerful reasons. I have experience of why multiculturalism and melting pot theories and "unity in diversity" does not and cannot work when applied across the board and especially when it is enforced by law or when one cultural group vastly outnumbers another.

Unfortunately this inevitably brings people out of their religious and cultural spheres into the political arena. The whole ethnic issue has become political, whether politicians or the left like it or not.

It must be stressed, and Vidarsson has already done this, that a stance in favour of folkishness or ethnocentrism is not racist. It has nothing in itself to do with "hate", their favourite byword for everything that doesn't line up with their stupid unworkable ideology of the grand commune. Instead, folkishness or ethnocentrism, or as Weg put it "racialism", is the way in which all folk groups or ethnic communities survive the onslaught of multiculturalism and enforced and often deliberately fabricated and engineered "diversity".

If they push us we shall fight back. They have manoeuvred us all the way to the edge of the void and we are not going to jump. We are going to fight. If we go over that edge it will be because we were pushed and I'd like to ask anyone of any moral integrity whether they believe that pushing ethnic peoples over a cliff is a particularly good way of establishing socio-political systems within the natural diversity of established folk groups.

The reason why we have these "folkish" groups and these web sites and forums that state on the introductory pages that they are geared toward a specific group is because they would appreciate it of certain people respected that and understood that the folkish group is involved in preservation and conservation of the group's ethos and heritage (which often but not exclusively, extends to the issue of homelands and their ancient cultural legacies together with which go their ethnic religions).

Now comes the tricky bit. Race. There is the foolish, and often deliberately cruel, tendency of certain politically motivated and ideologically skewed people that race does not matter and that only culture does. This is where we are forced to differ. If we don't we shall be made extinct. We, that is people known as "white" and especially as "European", are a minority in the world and make up only 8% of its populations. We are behaving folkishly as a preservationist act and not out of "racism" defined by the left wing/liberal alliance that has hi-jacked the once western world and is operating through enforced political correctness.

The number of genuinely racist people is minimal and racism is not confined to white people, it is a universal phenomenon. And, while we're at it, so it folkishness and folkishness is positive, preservationist and our inalienable right as an endangered group to practise and to conserve whether the left/liberal alliance and its flotilla of politically correct flunkies like it or not.

There appears to be a little group of warriors who send out challengers and champions wherever they find Europeans in particular trying to gather and participate in their ethnic heritage, make friends and consolidate their assets. This is allowed for any other ethnic group but sabotaged when Europeans do it. Every single forum and group has these invading warriors. They stick out like sore thumbs and they get on our nerves. We do not respect them. In fact we are beginning to wonder why Europeans do this. It's almost always renegade Europeans, and/or their masters, because real ethnic groups of all kinds are far too busy worrying about themselves to be bothered with trolling through the net to upset and destroy cultural and religious groups who are minding their own business and not doing anyone any harm. I don't go to Hindu or Muslim or Christian fora and troll and cause trouble. Why would I do this? Why indeed. So why are certain people doing it to us?

Because they inherently hate and fear ethnocentricity and are working, often under brainwashed ideas that what they are doing is "good", to break down folkishness everywhere because they are being taught that races are simply negative social constructs and that in order to vanquish the "evil" of these false categories they must dedicate themselves to getting up the noses of everyone who has a folkish worldview. They have a plethora of methods by which they go about things and homing in on the Germanic people is one of their priorities. They are more obsessed with racism than the Nazis or the Zionist Jews. In fact they put them in the shade when it comes to constant pressure on folkish issues and the continuous attempt to force ethnic cultures and religions to accept "everyone" and thus make themselves universalist and in so doing to break these structures down and destroy the identity of the people to whom these cultures and religions belong. This is high Marxist dialecticism and it must be fought with everything we can throw at it.

We, as folkish people along with all the other ethnocentric groups in the world, must take a stand against the deliberate attempts of universalists and multiculturalists to railroad our attempts to create folk groups and preserve our religions and simultaneously keep our actual ethnic nature alive in the preservation of our race. This may seem like blasphemy to the pink ears of the lunatic left but it is nothing more than a voice of reason and the demand (we aren't asking them anymore, we quit doing that a while back when they spat on us) to be ourselves and to be left in peace to be ourselves.

We have a right to exist and that right includes the right to self determination.

klokkwerx
Friday, April 21st, 2006, 12:26 AM
An ethnic religion is racialistic, not racist.

The word racist is highly misqued these days, used solely for political means.

freya3
Friday, April 21st, 2006, 07:38 PM
At least is it racialist.

That is exactly what I was going to say. Racialist is not the same as racist, at least not in my book. I think it is good for people w/the same ethnic background to practice their faith whatever it is, and should not feel that they are discriminating others...but the way this world is, I am probably just dreaming :(

Sigrid
Saturday, April 22nd, 2006, 06:53 AM
If we don't like the way they are portraying us we must let them know. But this means that we ourselves must not be subverting our own agenda. And it takes guts to speak out, so not that many people do. Speaking out can have consequences many people aren't willing to bear. So things bumble along and we continue to be misjudged and insulted. Serves us right in many ways. We must be strong and have a definite belief system, not crash around in all the upturned garbage of other people's mistakes. If we know what folkish is and how it differs from universalist and racist then we must say so. The problem is that so many people saying so are also saying something else somewhere else. :mad:

Ælfhere
Saturday, April 22nd, 2006, 06:46 PM
We must be strong and have a definite belief system, not crash around in all the upturned garbage of other people's mistakes.

The problem is that we don't have a definite belief system, to my knowledge anyway. I think we need a folkish/Eurocentric set of principles to let others know where we stand. Something which transcends religion to embrace all our folk. After all, many blacks call themselves Afrocentric with no negative repercussions from society, we deserve the same acceptance.

Sigrid
Saturday, April 22nd, 2006, 07:13 PM
Agree and we won't get it unless we demand it and take it and implement it whether the tootsie footed fools like it or not. Other nations go out in the streets and demand change. We are expected to expire on the lawn like Popsicles on a hot summer afternoon. And for men, I think this nanny state socialism is positively emasculating. I really sympathise with the way it must be degrading millions. But then there is only way to put a stop to it, especially when you look at the nancy boys who are telling you what to do. It's really a bit like Alice when she grew so large she tipped over the cards and destroyed the Queen's tyrannical rule with a flip of her wrist. Makes you think doesn't it? ;)

Ælfhere
Saturday, April 22nd, 2006, 07:33 PM
If we ever do come up with a manifesto or list of demands it should sound as reasonable as possible to the point where anyone who disagrees with it will look like either a hypocrite or an anti-white extremist. We need to write this thing then promote the hel out of it.

klokkwerx
Sunday, April 23rd, 2006, 06:27 PM
If we ever do come up with a manifesto or list of demands it should sound as reasonable as possible to the point where anyone who disagrees with it will look like either a hypocrite or an anti-white extremist. We need to write this thing then promote the hel out of it.
If I recall correctly, I think Wyatt on the Heathenfolk forum was working something like this.

Sigurd
Sunday, April 23rd, 2006, 07:28 PM
I totally agree with Vidarsson. We need an approach that is both sensible and true to the facts. :)

Just on another note: I would like to know who those two narrow-minded and utterly misguided people are that called ethnic religions "automatically racist"; these have obviously not understood that things are not black and white, and go on the same line as the general public that if you're not a liberal PC multi-cult sheep, then you are automatically an "authoritarian white supremacist, anti-semitic neo-nazi". So if those people would like to speak up and explain why they think that our folkway is working to the detriment of those of other racial backgrounds?!

Imperator X
Monday, June 19th, 2006, 03:00 AM
Ethnic religions are not racist. Judaism on the one hand is very clannish in a dangerous way, advocating cheating gentiles and such. However, all religions no matter how ethnocentric they are thought to be, spread beyond their original territories, with the exception of some tribal belief systems.

Zoroastrianism, thought to be an exclusively Persian religion was found as far afield as China. Judaism claimed converts back in ancient times among a few Greek and Roman gentiles who would pick up customs and associate with Jews. The Hindu Rajpoots were originally Central Asians who adopted Hinduism and fell into the jati system. There were Greeks who adopted Hinduism, for example, a soldier who built a shrine to Visnu; also there is a Greek element among many North Indians both in Rajasthan, the Punjab, and India Aryana
(PAK)

Sigrid
Monday, June 19th, 2006, 07:47 AM
This is why Church and State should never be part of political governance. The only other binding glues are culture and race. Culture falls prey to the same problems as religion. But race tends to stay true, unless people have race mixed themselves to oblivion, then one of the "world religions" is their only refuge, along with the universalist politics and economics that inevitably accompany this kind of worldview.

Earth's people are heading for the oblivion of multiculturalist socialism, the world commune. And, if Islam continues its march across the crumbling west, a divine commune for this part of the world. An enforced tyranny of slavery and obedience to nothing more than that which enslaved them previously, the adopted universal Godbeing of the Jews.

Sifsvina
Monday, June 19th, 2006, 08:53 AM
That all depends on how you define racism. If it means hatred or feelings of superiority based on race then no. If it means simply being ethno-centric and interested mainly in your own folk and culture then yes.

I agree. But so many consider the slightest preference for one's own type as racist (if you are "white"). So if we are going to make any changes we must be ready to be called racist in the negative sense of the word, we must stand strong under the hateful attacks and avoid apologetic reassurances. We need a white civil rights movement, lol, really, I hear so many references to the black one that fit our situation now. Hatred won't get us what we want, joyous pride and laughter at the twisted hateful logic of anti's is much more effective. There are so many people who are getting really uncomfortable with the "equality" lie and entitlement demands but they need to be presented with other options than the christian right or angry white supremacists. All some people need is a couple of knots untied for them:-)
I'm thinking of making a t-shirt that says something like "white and proud" and when anyone says something negative ask them what their genuine reaction would be if I was black and the shirt said "black and proud". This is more political than religious but it can get hard to separate the two when people are so scared of anything ethnocenticaly white.
Note: Angry is not the way to make change but I certainly understand it. So many people seem so fond of threateningly backing someone (a country a people) into a corner, taking away all pride and tools of defense and then acting astonished when they lash out in self-preservation.
I know, I'm rambling, bed time:-)

Sigrid
Monday, June 19th, 2006, 09:26 AM
Your'e not rambling at all and the idea of white civil rights is definitely nearing necessity. I feel that on account of white job losses and especially white male job losses in the "equity" dominated employment environment that there should be unions in place on both working class and white collar class levels to protect people who are simply being denied entry to the job market because of their European ethnicity.

brian
Monday, June 19th, 2006, 08:23 PM
Anyone who claims that someone else is a racist is committing the same exact "evil" that they are attacking. Why? Because anti-racism, in context with other socially left values, is a culture amongst itself, a culture that has grown in dominance in the West.

Assume that we travelled to China and said that everyone is a racist there. Aren't we positing a negative "ethnocentric" (used loosely here) view against them, because they refuse to agreee to our cultural standards?

If a pretentious smart-ass from Greenwich Village in NYC states that all white people in the Midwest are racists, because, the majority of them all voted for Bush, isn't the same standard applied like the first example? This person demonstrates not only a moral superiority, but a sense of superiority that his or her culture is better than those people in the Midwest. But, aren't they contradicting themselves, since they would also insist that all cultures are equal in value?

The concept of racism is as much of a cultural phenomenon as is exalting one's own people, except racism is used as a weapon to degrade other people's cultures, particularly the well known target group, those of European descent. Those who use this culture based on fear can fulfill their intellectual biases created by their own culture.

The fact is, though, adoration of one's own people, culture and heritage is not based on the reductionism that racism and anti-racists try to point out. Instead, I think it would valuable to view ethnic religion and heritage is a response to the instinctual human drive to draw oneself to one's own. The failure of the anti-racist, in their quest of being worldly, is how they fail to appreciate what real culture is about, the fact that a lot of people don't want to be thrown in a racial grab-bag and patronized like they are by these "moral crusaders" who brings "hope and justice to the world" (just in their own biased way.)

Now, if one is to claim that they are of a superior race, they have a burden of proof as to why that is true. Along with that, if anyone stands to claim that someone else is racist, they have the burden of proof on them as well. No one is spared, and no one should expect to get off making claims like that, whether or not it is culturally accepted.

Eurovox
Thursday, June 29th, 2006, 11:46 PM
Allow me to say that the question has in itself some kind of bias, since starts from the point of view that racism is bad, that means accepting the meaning that it has since 1945. Racism intended to be the cience of race, but in fact due to some tendencies to proclaim this or that race superior to ohter, lead racism to being looked as evil or bad.

Now answering the poll, well, since the term ethnic is attached to religion I have to say that it must have a ethnical conscience/awareness, like judaism for example, which see the jewish people as the chosen ones. In other words, not understandig racism as a bad thing, but as the ethnic awareness of a folk a I should say yes, ethnic religions are racists.

Gorm the Old
Monday, July 10th, 2006, 04:51 AM
I think that it is undeniable that ethnic religions tend to be ethnically and racially exclusive. Some Orthodox Jews assert firmly that one cannot become a Jew. One must be BORN a Jew, a descendant one of the twelve tribes. I know that some Orthodox Rabbis were very offended when Sammy Davis, Jr. converted to Judaism. Undoubtedly, this was partly because he was black, but not entirely. Their position was that, not having been born a Jew , he could not become a Jew.... Some Hindus hold the position that one cannot convert to Hinduism, that one must be born a Hindu. Others, regardless of race or ethnicity are excluded.... I knew a young black man who genuinely admired Asatru and wanted to convert to it. He was, as should not have surprised him, indignantly rejected. He was very upset and embittered about this. Was this racism or ethnic exclusivity ? I found his naiveté so astonishing, that I could think of nothing to say to him. Certainly, as a member of a different race, he could not possibly share in the ethnic heritage of Asatru....It is only reasonable to expect that the founders of an ethnic religion would be racially homogenous and would restrict it to those who share a common ethnic, cultural, and racial heritage .

NatRev
Tuesday, October 24th, 2006, 06:53 PM
Jews are perhaps the most racist religious group I've ever met.

klokkwerx
Wednesday, October 25th, 2006, 10:27 PM
My opinion of "Racism" & "Racialism" is that this subject is too concentrated upon within the Folkish Heathen community as a negative and fearful subject; its like the Folkish Heathen still has to prove to the world that he is not a "Racist" and that he fears to labeled as one, I say: Who gives a shit what other groups think of us, there is still going to be people out there that think we are the worst Racists of all no matter what. We need to ignore other groups (other ethnic groups) political traps and games, just be our Folkish selves and continue to live our living Faith.

Sigurd
Wednesday, October 25th, 2006, 10:54 PM
Who gives a shit what other groups think of us, there is still going to be people out there that think we are the worst Racists of all no matter what.

Well, what do you make of the fact that the US government, due to racial murders by people who claimed to be Odinists but really were only using it for their own political ideals, that we are listed as a greater threat to security than Islamists. And not just a few but our entire faith.

nordicdusk
Saturday, October 28th, 2006, 03:01 PM
Well, what do you make of the fact that the US government, due to racial murders by people who claimed to be Odinists but really were only using it for their own political ideals, that we are listed as a greater threat to security than Islamists. And not just a few but our entire faith.
I didnt know that at all.This is a joke that we are seen as a threat.:thumbsdow

klokkwerx
Saturday, October 28th, 2006, 06:27 PM
Well, what do you make of the fact that the US government, due to racial murders by people who claimed to be Odinists but really were only using it for their own political ideals, that we are listed as a greater threat to security than Islamists. And not just a few but our entire faith.

Where is this info you get from the government stating that we are a greater threat than Islamists?

What I make of murderers claiming to be Odinists is a craft of propaganda on the anti-Odinists part. Its a matter of the real Odinists publicly responding to this or BS or not; why let "Big Brother" rattle our cages, why let them set paranoia and fear when some misled prisoner kills another so-called Odinist in prison. Ignoring the "Big Brother" propaganda is one of the best tactics because if you stick your head out then "Big Brother" knows who you are and then has the fuel to use against real Odinists, and if you lay-low and continue your Holy work then they know nothing. The war against our native Faith has been waging forever, do you think that playing along as a flogged sheep promising to-do-good is going make them go away and to get Odinists down the road easier with the freedom we so-dearly value?

Sigurd
Saturday, October 28th, 2006, 07:39 PM
Here (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/usa-06.html) is where the FBI itself has claimed Odinism to be "another White Supremacist religion"


Finally, Odinism is another white supremacist ideology that lends itself to violence and has the potential to inspire its followers to violence in connection to the millennium. What makes Odinists dangerous is the fact that many believe in the necessity of becoming martyrs for their cause. For example, Bob Mathews, the leader of The Order, died in a fiery confrontation with law enforcement. Also, William King relished the fact that he would receive the death penalty for his act of dragging James Byrd, Jr. to his death. Odinism has little to do with Christian Identity but there is one key similarity: Odinism provides dualism -- as does Christian Identity -- with regard to the universe being made up of worlds of light (white people) and worlds of dark (non-white people). The most fundamental difference between the two ideologies is that Odinists do not believe in Jesus Christ. However, there are enough similarities between the myths and legends of Odinism and the beliefs of Christian Identity to make a smooth transition from Christian Identity to Odinism for those racist individuals whose penchant for violence is not being satisfied.

There was also a Washington Post Article (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1709047/posts) about it in 1999.


The FBI is warning police chiefs across the country that it has discovered evidence of religious extremists, racists, cults and other groups preparing for violence as New Year's Eve approaches and is urging law enforcement agencies to view the dawn of the next millennium as a catalyst for criminal activities.

The FBI says those most likely to perpetrate violence are motivated either by religious beliefs relating to the Apocalypse, or are New World Order conspiracists convinced the United Nations has a secret plan to conquer the world.

In a 34-page report prepared by the bureau's domestic terrorism unit, the FBI says some members of militias and racist groups, including one called "Christian Identity" and another called "Odinism," are acquiring weapons and surveying targets in anticipation of the millennium.

FBI officials plan to brief law enforcement officials about the millennial threat at a closed-door meeting of the International Association of Chiefs of Police in North Carolina on Tuesday.

The report, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Post, says that local law enforcement officials need to monitor radical groups for behavior such as stockpiling weapons and food that may indicate they are preparing for violence.

--snip--

In its report, the FBI describes several groups that it says have some members that pose a violent threat. "Christian Identity" followers, comprising loosely knit groups throughout the country, are "ardently opposed to race mixing" and believe that the "white Aryan race is God's chosen race." Christian Identity provides the "unifying theology" for a number of "right-wing" groups that pose a threat, the report says. "Odinists" also adhere to a white supremacist ideology and can be dangerous because many members believe in becoming "martyrs for the cause," the report says.

This is to be taken that they have the whole of Odinism done as "terrorists", whilst the Islam section, well we all know that it is only some of some groups that they monitor...and also that they think that the prime terror threat is coming from us! :runaway

klokkwerx
Saturday, October 28th, 2006, 10:18 PM
Yes of course they are going to publicise this since most media outlets are operated or controlled by Jews and/or Christian Coalition people (both work closely together).

The FBI gets its info from 2 basic sources: the Jew orgs such as SPLC, JDL, and/or the FBI doing its own investigation. These orgs do their spying mostly on the groups and individuals that are high profile and etc. They are not dumb, they know who are a threat and who's not. The Kindreds and orgs of Odinism that are doing everything on the up-and up are not that closely watched, especially if you are a lone worshiper. The groups that are sweated are the so-called White Power Heathens, and which they are not as progressive in anything.

So, Folkish Heathens/Odinists/Asatruar that live a low profile need not to fear of being labeled a "Racist" for being Folkish and having Faith in their native Faith, its going to happen like it or not due to ignorance or hatred on 'others' part. Plus look at it like this: are you secure in your Faith and BVood?

Ælfhere
Monday, July 30th, 2007, 12:43 AM
I just read The New Barbarians: New brand of Odinist religion on the march (http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=451) from the SPLC site. It's interesting how they speak only of universalist Asatru and racist Nazi Odinism, like there's nothing in between. They don't even mention the word "folkish." It's all black and white to them. Granted the authors of this article aren't heathen and probably haven't taken the time to learn that views differ widely in the Asatru community.

Gorm the Old
Monday, July 30th, 2007, 02:18 AM
The FBI is a self-righteous authoritarian organisation which, since its very inception, has made a mockery of due process of law. Ostensibly, its function is investigatory, but it usurped the function of the U.S. Marshalls in law enforcement as early as the 1920's.

Its policy in the 1920's and 1930's was "Shoot first and arrest afterward." The FBI then declared "open season" on bank robbers and shot them from ambush, e.g. John Dillinger and the Barrow gang.

In the mid 20th century, it joined forces with another agency having delusions of grandeur: the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, ostensibly a revenue collecting organisation, to conduct military operations against U.S. citizens within the U.S.A., resulting in the Waco and Ruby Ridge massacres. :runaway

And THIS vile goon squad has the temerity to criticise Odinists as subversive to law and order. The FBI has never done anything BUT subvert law and order !

I have personally had dealings with two FBI agents and found both of them to
be ignorant, stupid, arrogant bullies who can conceive of no other means of obtaining cooperation than by intimidation. :mad:

Kurtz
Monday, July 30th, 2007, 07:29 PM
The link the average man sees between race and racism is a consequence of the egalitarian era we live in. "I love my people, therefore I hate other peoples" is a stupid statement, which is only possible in an epoch where preferring something over another is mere discrimination.

The best comparison to come up with while facing very PCish people is to say: "I love my race (or people) as a parent loves his offspring. A parent loves his children much more than he loves the children of others; not because they are superior or because of hate directed against other children, but simply because there is an irrational (well, biological but I am talking about the spiritual aspect) link between a parent and his child. This link, this intimate kinship stands, as a truth, by itself, and it is not right to attack someone who thinks that way unless his love for his people or race ends up being a leitmotiv to attack others.

Brynhild
Thursday, January 3rd, 2008, 08:36 AM
I would be a raciallist in that I love my own people first, but I'm not a supremacist who hates others.