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Frans_Jozef
Tuesday, January 10th, 2006, 08:35 AM
White Trash: The Construction of an American Scapegoat


Equality is simultaneously the greatest accomplishment and worst failure of America. It is the place where idealism and reality come to blows in American culture. Despite the glossy veneer of "political correctness" which has been painted over the rust and corrosion of centuries of racism and classism, the enduring American necessity for a social "other" has chosen working class whites as the focal scapegoat of our time. This site explores the general treatment of working class whites in the media -- comics, literature, film and television; dealing in depth with the areas of religion, race relations, work and lifestyle in defining working class whites as a unique social culture.

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MA97/price/open.htm

Sifsvina
Wednesday, January 11th, 2006, 09:20 AM
I couldn't read very far. This site is twisted, it makes some good points then wraps them back around with PC logic. In it's writing it is an example of the very "white guilt" it claims to be talking about objectively.

Thruthheim
Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 08:44 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;jsessionid=TABUFHLKY2UZLQFIQM FSFF4AVCBQ0IV0?xml=/opinion/2006/11/15/do1502.xml&posted=true&_requestid=217570#comments



Anti-racism has become the central theme of today's political culture, yet the obsessive concern for racial sensitivities rarely seems to be applied to the white working class. This is the one ethnic group that it is perfectly acceptable to insult and ignore.

Once regarded as the backbone of Britain, the people who saved our country in two world wars, the indigenous, less affluent, sector of the population is now treated with contempt by liberal elitists, who sneer at the supposed idleness, vulgarity, xenophobia and ignorance of so-called "chavs" or "white trash".

This kind of repellent snobbery and prejudice was captured in an extraordinary outburst from newspaper columnist Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. Condemning white working-class Britons as "either too lazy or too expensive to compete" in the new era of multi-racialism, she wrote that "tax-paying immigrants past and present keep indolent British scroungers on their couches drinking beer and watching TV".

Such comments are not only offensive, but also factually incorrect, since levels of unemployment and welfare dependency are actually much higher in certain immigrant communities. According to the Office of National Statistics, 35 per cent of Muslim households have no adult in employment, more than twice the national average, though no liberal columnist would dream of ever writing about "Muslim scroungers".

The growing ostracism of the white working class is highlighted in a report out today by the Tory party's Social Justice Policy Group, chaired by the former leader Iain Duncan Smith. In his report, Duncan Smith warns that white pupils from poor backgrounds are performing worse at schools than any other ethnic group. He fears that there is a danger of creating "an uneducated and unemployable underclass of forgotten children".

On top of the crisis in education, white workers are also confronted with economic difficulties, since they are disproportionately employed in the declining manufacturing industries, while in the services sector their wages are under pressure because of mass immigration. Yet, instead of having their plight recognised, they are condemned by the nanny-employing classes for their insular racism and reluctance to struggle on minimal pay.

If the experience of poor urban whites were happening to other groups, there would be an outcry, followed by official inquiries, commissions, reports, and positive action plans. But nothing of the sort will occur. The entire thrust of the state machine is to address the needs of ethnic minorities, not the hard-pressed indigenous population.


I notice things are changing, I'm seeing many of these articles now in papers that i'd never expect anything so honest and pertinent would be written. I'm impressed.

Glynd Eastŵd
Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 08:59 PM
I don't have any sympathy for the (lower) working class where I live. Saying that their jobs are all taken by immigrants is just a piss poor attempt at justifying their pathetic behaviour. In fact, I'd go as far as saying many of the scallies around here behave worse than the actual immigrants. It's hard to put into words the disgust I feel when I see tracksuit-wearing 13 year old chavs roaming the city streets at night, drinking alcohol, smoking, and looking for trouble. Sometimes I really think the country would be a whole lot better off if they were just put into gas wagons and exterminated. At the very least make them join the army for a few years. They don't do ANYTHING positive for the country, yet I get taxed a fifth of my wages to support these animals. Boo-hoo, they're so vulnerable! :mad

Thruthheim
Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 09:04 PM
I don't have any sympathy for the (lower) working class where I live. Saying that their jobs are all taken by immigrants is just a piss poor attempt at justifying their pathetic behaviour. In fact, I'd go as far as saying many of the scallies around here behave worse than the actual immigrants. It's hard to put into words the disgust I feel when I see tracksuit-wearing 13 year old chavs roaming the city streets at nights, drinking alcohol, smoking, and looking for trouble. Sometimes I really think the country would be a whole lot better off if they were just put into gas wagons exterminated. At the very least make them join the army for a few years. They don't do ANYTHING positive for the country, yet I get taxed a fifth of my wages to support these animals. Boo-hoo, they're so vulnerable! :mad

Maybe they're a yobbo strand. I know loads of Working class people, and they are just normal folk, who speak more often than not less articulately, and with less income.
I do know of the kind you are talking of, but they don't seem common in South England.

Glynd Eastŵd
Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 09:11 PM
Maybe they're a yobbo strand. I know loads of Working class people, and they are just normal folk, who speak more often than not less articulately, and with less income.
I do know of the kind you are talking of, but they don't seem common in South England.

I can't speak for the situation in England, but in South Wales they are everywhere. They are completely and utterly absent of morals. I have worked with them before. I once felt physically ill for nearly a week after a 16 year old co-worker told me she fell pregnant because she would get free council housing and benefits for the rest of her life. Their women grow up to be chain smoking, lager drinking slags, and the men usually become violent, unpredictable drug-using criminals. Not only that, but they are breeding uncontrollably, often race-mixing in the process. I view them as unfit for life in the 21st century, these people are on the same level as the 'thug-life' blacks in America's ghettos.

Æmeric
Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 11:29 PM
They sound like the kind of people who should be bribed into having themselves sterilized. It would be cheaper then providing them with lifetime benefits.

Thruthheim
Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 11:39 PM
This thread should be about positivity.
Yes, on the one hand, there is a noticeable sub-strand within the working class that may aswell be as foreign and threatening an element to our way of life as any ethnic immigrant, they are disaffected/ill-educated and largely a product of Liberalism/Multiculturalism I would assert.

Equally destructive, is the element within the Middle Class whom promote Multiculturalism in Working class areas, yet live in safe suburbia in their crime-free homogenous neighbourhoods .

More than likely, those effected most heavily by Multiculturalism are the white working classes, something this article asserts and defends. I myself am from a Middle Class background, parents both born Working class. But the town as a whole, isn't middle-class and so I have spent my life socialising between the Working/Middle classes.

The very undesireable element within the Working Class, whatever we call them, would be sorted with an end to the welfare state, with national service, with discipline and morals instilled from a young age.

Tancred
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 01:03 AM
There are decent working class people and there are scumbags. To a large extent, the problem is a lack of education and a lack of guidance from the state. The only solution to the yob problem is to bring back national service and corporal punishment. Physical pain and hardship is an effective medicine for the evils of a dysfunctional society, of this I am firmly convinced.

sheriff skullface
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 01:05 AM
This thread should be about positivity.
Yes, on the one hand, there is a noticeable sub-strand within the working class that may aswell be as foreign and threatening an element to our way of life as any ethnic immigrant, they are disaffected/ill-educated and largely a product of Liberalism/Multiculturalism I would assert.

I must say I agree with you, the thread should be positive, in your country and mine it is the white working class, that shows the most noblility and keeps the country and economy going, it is only that very small number of druggies, and lower tramps that give guys like us a bad name

Nachtengel
Monday, January 18th, 2010, 11:22 PM
London Telegraph, January 14, 2010

John Denham is one of the more impressive members of a largely undistinguished Cabinet, and his speech yesterday on race and discrimination was characteristically thoughtful, if disingenuous. Mr Denham is the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government, head of a department whose very title signifies the multiculturalist patchwork the country has become. The word “communities” is often used as a euphemistic shorthand for ethnic minorities, on whose advancement the Government has concentrated in recent years. So successfully has it done so, said Mr Denham, that “being black or Asian no longer means being automatically disadvantaged”. He effectively declared the war on racism over, and claimed it was Labour that won it.

We are not convinced that disadvantage was ever “automatic”; many people from ethnic minorities were held back not simply by discrimination, but because they were, by and large, less well-off and poorly educated. Mr Denham traces the improvements to the Race Relations Amendment Act introduced in 2000, after Sir William Macpherson’s inquiry into the murder of Stephen Lawrence. But the truth is that things have been getting better for 30 years or more, as a tolerant country has come to terms with being more racially diverse than it once was. As Trevor Phillips, the chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, has observed: “Britain is by far the best place to live in Europe if you are not white.”

The problem is that if you are white—and working-class and male—Britain is not necessarily such a pleasant land. Whereas ethnic minorities, especially those who have arrived relatively recently, tend to have high aspirations, stable homes and make great sacrifices to ensure the best education for their children, the same culture does not pervade white working-class families. Their children, particularly the boys, have for many years been out-performed at school by virtually every other social group, and the decline in heavy industrial jobs that once offered a livelihood to young men with no qualifications has compounded their disadvantages.

It is impossible, however, not to take a cynical view of Mr Denham’s somewhat belated recognition of the parlous position of this group. These are the traditional supporters of Labour’s heartland, the “core vote” that Gordon Brown is desperate to retain, who feel badly let down by the Government and are turning to the BNP.

It will rank as one of the greatest stains on his premiership that such extremists were able to gain an electoral foothold in our country. For all Mr Denham’s self-congratulation, that is the true legacy of Labour’s years in power.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2010/01/britain_is_no_p.php

BritishLad
Sunday, October 17th, 2010, 11:06 AM
I feel that people are too harsh to working class people today.

I mean many of us can't work since many immigrants stole our jobs, for that you should blame the government. And blame them for cutting many jobs making more people redundant.

And the myths that working class people are all scroungers is just stupid, we're not all like that. And were not all chavs either, in fact non-chav working class people are the majority.

And besides look at history, it's our class that has done most of the dangerous jobs and during war we were the ones who did the fighting whilst the higher-class Officers watched safetly from the back.

The Aesthete
Sunday, October 17th, 2010, 12:39 PM
Columnist Yasmin Alibhai-Brown
Why am I not surprised that she said that?
They are the ones suffering the worse, their matriculation rate has plummeted and they are academically being outperformed by working class ethnic minorities. They are also the ones who cannot afford to escape with white flight. Also their jobs are the ones taken by immigrants.
It is true what the article said about the working class being instrumental in Britain. Many of them were sent here and helped forge my nation.
Talk of class is a great way to divide our folk

BritishLad
Wednesday, November 17th, 2010, 11:32 PM
I think it was criminal to get rid of the heavy industries, I think we should bring the Heavy Industries back and get unemployed people working in the factories, Hitler did it in the early '30s and unemployment in Germany fell drastically.

Forest_Dweller
Thursday, November 18th, 2010, 12:19 AM
How are the white working class supposed to have high aspirations when lesser skilled minorities are hired for less pay? When am I going to read an article that doesn't demonize white Britons and put minorities in the highest light possible?

If the BNP is a stain, then Labour is a huge parasitical undulating puss jewel that continues to incinerate any feeling of pride in nationhood.

Schattenjäger
Thursday, November 18th, 2010, 12:32 AM
Hitler was last british patriot in power. ;)

delphic
Friday, November 19th, 2010, 02:33 AM
I thought that in light of the issues ans concerns discussed in this thread, that some of you may find the following article, which I happened upon whilst going about my travels on the information superhighway the other day.....

http://www.cesc.net/radicalweb/scholars/rankin/ar2.html

jonjon
Wednesday, December 29th, 2010, 05:45 PM
Our urban underclass has been created over the last thirty years or so as a result of elite views and state policy. Although they may display a certain bravado, in fact our underclass are actually the sections of the working-class which have lost confidence in themselves and become dependent on a multi-culti and overarching state. They often have little knowledge about their own family or national traditions. It's noticeable that there are a lot more of them in areas where there is more state control and higher immigrant numbers. I see them as victims of liberal elite policies which show a total loss of confidence in our traditions and civilisation. Their own ancestors of fifty years ago would have been horrified, just as working-class people who haven't become 'underclass' are.

Leander
Wednesday, January 26th, 2011, 10:47 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;jsessionid=TABUFHLKY2UZLQFIQM FSFF4AVCBQ0IV0?xml=/opinion/2006/11/15/do1502.xml&posted=true&_requestid=217570#comments

"In his report, Duncan Smith warns that white pupils from poor backgrounds are performing worse at schools than any other ethnic group. He fears that there is a danger of creating "an uneducated and unemployable underclass of forgotten children". The sad thing is that this is exactly the kind of fact liberals will jump on as evidence that race is just a social construct, completely ignoring the fact that it is their social engineering which is responsible for this. Just like they do in regards to gender with any mention of girls outperforming boys or, again racially, blacks outperforming whites (rare, for sure).

Ingvaeonic
Wednesday, January 26th, 2011, 10:57 PM
The sad thing is that this is exactly the kind of fact liberals will jump on as evidence that race is just a social construct, completely ignoring the fact that it is their social engineering which is responsible for this. Just like they do in regards to gender with any mention of girls outperforming boys or, again racially, blacks outperforming whites (rare, for sure).

Exactly. The leftists have engineered matters to suit and fit their own opinions and world view.

Tancred
Tuesday, February 8th, 2011, 01:49 AM
I can't speak for the situation in England, but in South Wales they are everywhere. They are completely and utterly absent of morals. I have worked with them before. I once felt physically ill for nearly a week after a 16 year old co-worker told me she fell pregnant because she would get free council housing and benefits for the rest of her life. Their women grow up to be chain smoking, lager drinking slags, and the men usually become violent, unpredictable drug-using criminals. Not only that, but they are breeding uncontrollably, often race-mixing in the process. I view them as unfit for life in the 21st century, these people are on the same level as the 'thug-life' blacks in America's ghettos.

Well, these feral youths are the product of 20-25 years of uninterrupted Americanisation from the likes of MTV etc. They have become 'ghettoised', meaning they copy behaviour associated with the poorest black Americans. The Americans have a word for these types of whites: Wiggers. The only lasting solution would be to impose harsh military discipline and corporal punishment when necessary, but no government would ever dare.

BayHorse
Tuesday, February 8th, 2011, 04:11 PM
My Mother was a nurse in a ward in London. A Cockney man in the British Military was a patient. He had lost his legs while in service. She said when he awoke after surgery and learned of his fate he looked down to where his feet used to be and said "Well I guess that takes care of my corns".
These are the men Britain has been shitting on.
And now they invite some Paki in to shit on them as well.
I don't care how bad their behavior gets.
It is not the working class whose behavior needs defending.

Hesse
Wednesday, April 13th, 2011, 05:53 AM
Disgustingly ironic. :thumbdown

Zimobog
Tuesday, May 31st, 2011, 08:17 PM
Why the white working class is alienated, pessimistic
By Ronald Brownstein
National Journal

Almost no one noticed, but around George W. Bush's reelection in 2004, the nation crossed a demographic milestone.

From Revolutionary days through 2004, a majority of Americans fit two criteria. They were white. And they concluded their education before obtaining a four-year college degree. In the American mosaic, that vast white working class was the largest piece, from the yeoman farmer to the welder on the assembly line. Even as late as the 1990 census, whites without a college degree represented more than three-fifths of adults.

But as the country grew more diverse and better educated, the white working-class share of the adult population slipped to just under 50 percent in the Census Bureau's 2005 American Community Survey. That number has since fallen below 48 percent.

The demographic eclipse of the white working class is likely an irreversible trend as the United States reconfigures itself yet again as a "world nation" reinvigorated by rising education levels and kaleidoscopic diversity. That emerging America will create opportunities (such as the links that our new immigrants will provide to emerging markets around the globe) and face challenges (including improving high school and college graduation rates for the minority young people who will provide tomorrow's workforce).


Still, amid all of this change, whites without a four-year college degree remain the largest demographic bloc in the workforce. College-educated whites make up about one-fifth of the adult population, while minorities account for a little under one-third. The picture is changing, but whites who have not completed college remain the backbone of many, if not most, communities and workplaces across the country.

They are also, polls consistently tell us, the most pessimistic and alienated group in American society.


The latest measure of this discontent came in a thoughtful national survey on economic opportunity released last week by the Pew Charitable Trusts' Economic Mobility Project. If numbers could scream, they would probably sound like the poll's results among working-class whites.

One question asked respondents whether they expected to be better off economically in 10 years than they are today. Two-thirds of blacks and Hispanics said yes, as did 55 percent of college-educated whites; just 44 percent of noncollege whites agreed. Asked if they were better off than their parents were at the same age, about three-fifths of college-educated whites, African-Americans, and Hispanics said they were. But blue-collar whites divided narrowly, with 52 percent saying yes and a head-turning 43 percent saying no. (The survey, conducted from March 24 through 29, surveyed 2,000 adults and has a margin of error of ±3.4 percent.)

What makes these results especially striking is that minorities were as likely as blue-collar whites to report that they have been hurt by the recession. The actual unemployment rate is considerably higher among blacks and Hispanics than among blue-collar whites, much less college-educated whites.


Yet, minorities were more optimistic about the next generation than either group of whites, the survey found. In the most telling result, 63 percent of African-Americans and 54 percent of Hispanics said they expected their children to exceed their standard of living. Even college-educated whites are less optimistic (only about two-fifths agree). But the noncollege whites are the gloomiest: Just one-third of them think their kids will live better than they do; an equal number think their children won't even match their living standard. No other group is nearly that negative.

This worry is hardly irrational. As Massachusetts Institute of Technology economists Frank Levy and Tom Kochan report in a new paper, the average high-school-educated, middle-aged man earns almost 10 percent less than his counterpart did in 1980. Minorities haven't been exempt from that trend: In fact, high-school-educated minority men have experienced even slower wage growth than their white counterparts over the past two decades, calculates Larry Mishel, president of the liberal Economic Policy Institute.

But for minorities, that squeeze has been partially offset by the sense that possibilities closed to their parents are becoming available to them as discrimination wanes. "The distinction is, these blue-collar whites see opportunities for people like them shrinking, whereas the African-Americans [and Hispanics] feel there are a set of long-term opportunities that are opening to them that were previously closed on the basis of race or ethnicity," said Mark Mellman, a Democratic pollster who helped conduct the Pew survey.


By contrast, although it is difficult to precisely quantify, the sense of being eclipsed demographically is almost certainly compounding the white working class's fear of losing ground economically. That huge bloc of Americans increasingly feels itself left behind—and lacks faith that either government or business cares much about its plight. Under these pressures, noncollege whites are now experiencing rates of out-of-wedlock birth and single parenthood approaching the levels that triggered worries about the black family a generation ago. Alarm bells should be ringing now about the social and economic trends in the battered white working class and the piercing cry of distress rising from this latest survey.

Gall Óglach
Tuesday, May 31st, 2011, 08:50 PM
I think this recession could turn out to be a real blessing. The hardship facing working class white people, will hopefully alert them to the fact that America has changed and the system is now against them.

Edgard
Tuesday, May 31st, 2011, 09:25 PM
I think this recession could turn out to be a real blessing. The hardship facing working class white people, will hopefully alert them to the fact that America has changed and the system is now against them.

In England they have been bought of by successive Labour governments to the point they vote for them no matter how many non whites they bring in just as long as they sign the social security checks and no one makes them work. Its a sad state and keep are country in Bondage. I wish we would go broke and had to stop paying people to sit around then they would start to use their eyes and their votes.