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Frans_Jozef
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 01:52 PM
http://members.aol.com/Heraklit1/index.htm


Natural Pantheism:
a spiritual approach to nature
and the cosmos.
When you look at the night sky or at the images of the Hubble Space Telescope, are you filled with feelings of awe and wonder at the overwhelming beauty and power of the universe?
When you are in the midst of nature, in a forest, by the sea, on a mountain peak - do you ever feel a sense of the sacred, like the feeling of being in a vast cathedral?
Do you believe that humans should be a part of Nature, rather than set above it?

If you can answer yes to all of these questions, then you have pantheistic leanings.

Are you sceptical about a God other than Nature and the Universe?
Yet do you feel an emotional need for a recognition of something greater than your own self or than the human race?

Modern pantheism is often misunderstood. It has nothing to do with "pantheon" or "polytheism"- belief in many Gods. It is neither theism nor atheism, but transcends both. Its central tenet is that the universe is the ultimate reality, the ultimate object of reverence, while nature is a sacred part of the totality of which every one of us, in life or in death, is an inseparable part.

Pantheism is an ancient religion - older than Buddhism or Christianity - and may already count hundreds of millions among its members. Most Taoists are pantheists, along with many Chinese, Japanese and Western Buddhists, deep ecologists, pagans, animists, followers of many native religions, and many Unitarian Universalists. The central philosophical scriptures of Hinduism are pantheistic. Many atheists and humanists may be pantheists without realizing it.

Scientific or natural pantheism is a modern form of pantheism that deeply reveres the universe and nature and joyfully accepts and embraces life, the body and earth, but does not believe in any supernatural deities, entities or powers.

ARE YOU ATTRACTED BY THE IDEAS OF THE GREEK MATERIALISTS? THEN YOU MAY WELL LIKE SCIENTIFIC PANTHEISM.


SCIENTIFIC PANTHEISM is proud to recognize the Greek and Roman materialism of the Miletans, Heraklitus, Democritus, Epicurus and Lucretius as its predecessors.
We believe that everything is made up of matter<=>energy, and that there is no separate and distinct substance of spirit. But we also have a deep reverence for the cosmos and for nature, which the early materialists shared.
Scientific pantheism reveres the universe as the only real divinity.
It fuses religion and science, and concern for humans with concern for nature.
It provides the most realistic concept of life after death,
and the most solid basis for environmental ethics.
It is a religion that requires no faith other than common sense,
no revelation other than open eyes and a mind open to evidence,
no guru other than your own self.

Praxus
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 01:55 PM
Wow, sounds interesting. :)

Mac Seafraidh
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 03:42 PM
Yes, I see myself in this category.

Frans_Jozef
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 03:55 PM
That makes both of us. :thumbsup

I am the child of the Earth and starry Heaven, but my origin is of Heaven alone.
Orphic Grave Tablet

So beautiful truthful, we're all stardust.
Our Souls will travel to the lands beyond Polaris, our body decays once death has come in, ashes however aren't like grains of sand, they recapture a notion of those cinders in outer space, stars, firy nebulaes and planets in formation, cradles of life and splendours of Nature...

Annikki
Saturday, May 15th, 2004, 01:54 PM
I've always kinda of liked Pantheism.

IlluSionSxxx
Friday, November 30th, 2007, 11:09 AM
Below is a post I wrote on another forum. I repost it here, because I think it gives a good insight in the way I look at the universe, which is very much based on the old Germanic lore.


Explain the version of pantheism to which you adhere in as much detail as you're able, please.

Basically, I believe that every object as well as every living being has some energy patterns running through them that could be called "a soul".

When living beings or objects group together and allign themselves, they can sontaneously form a collective soul that connects and alligns the different individual soul elements. As such, every marching band, every house, every folk and every car has its own soul. Please note that a soul within this definition does not necessarilly imply consciousness but rather "vibrations". For me, the divine represents the whole of all individual and collective souls combined.

This universal collective soul of which we all are a part (I will call it "Mother Nature" later on) does not only grant us the possibility to mindlink with others once we learn how to, it also provides the blueprints of right and wrong, which are given to each individual at birth through our genetically determined instincts and our culturally determined collective memory. I would like to point out, however, that a mindlink requires a very strong connection between two individuals or a lot of experience and study. Twins and passionate lovers are examples of people who sometimes spontaneously experience a mindlink without any training whatsoever.

In a healthy society, instinct and culture are alligned and in perfect harmony with one another. People know right and wrong intuitively because they're both culturally and genetically inclined to make the right decisions. As such, a civilisation can grow and develop itself in harmony with Mother Nature of which that civilisation is a part.

In a sick society, however, instinct and culture are no longer alligned. For most people, culture will prevail over instinct and therefore lead people away from normal morallity and views. This will graduately lead to disharmony and eventually our own downfall. For example, by abandonning natural selection humanity will further degenerate and lose the very thing that makes him human.

A collective soul goes beyond the capacities of the individual souls in the same way the capacities of a bee hive goes beyond the capacities of the individual bee. Mother Nature therefore goes beyond the collective and individual souls that are part of it. It contains the memories, power and achievements of thousands of generations slumbering somewhere within. As an individual, we have the ability to tap into this wisdom by means of eg. meditation or shamanic practices and gain new insights as such. Still, Mother Nature is no more conscious than a bee hive or a marching band as such. Consciousness works only through the individual living elements.

Besides being the universal collective soul of which we are all a part, Mother Nature is also the guardian of the laws of physics and chemistry as well as the principles of evolution and natural selection. It contains the forces behind the forces : creative and maintenance forces that make all other forces workable as such.

Last but not least, it is important to understand how I see the concept of infinity. The universe is finite and infinite at the same time, just like a spheric surface. The surface of a sphere has no beginning and no end, yet it is limited in size. I see the universe as basically a spheric surface with at least one extra dimension.

If we add time as a dimension and leave out one dimension, we would end up having a torus (doughnut shape) surface, because transgression through time cannot be reversed unlike transgression through space. So if we add time to the equasion, then we would have some sort of >4-dimensional universe that could be plotted as a torus when taking just one space and one time dimension and that could be plotted as a sphere when taking two space dimensions. This is because time - like space - is both infinite and finite at the same time. There is no beginning or an end of time, yet time is still limited. As such, space and time must be cyclic, just like everything in nature.