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Nordhammer
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 07:36 PM
What can we conclude about Medicism/Mediterranocentrism from its leaders or the most outspoken Meds?

Dienekes is apathetic to mongrelization and the destruction of America's white/Nordish foundation, holds a mixed racial median as the ideal beauty, and has said that if all of the races in the world mixed a Mediterranean or Mediterranoid would result.

Medhammer/Racial Myths seems apathetic as well, and his main motivation is refuting "myths" about race. He is fixated on Nords and Nordicism beyond just refuting what he considers pseudo-science, but further to disrupt any concept of Northern European identity and unity. He also includes Jews in as a core Central Medish type.

Galvez is allegedly part Jewish. I was told he posted under the name Joseph Cortez on Richard Poe's forum where he admitted this. Like Medhammer, his main motivation is to oppose Nordish identity and Nordicism. He claims he's against white nationalism and there is nothing wrong with interracial relationships.

Mynydd claims to be pro-Mediterranean and Pan-Hispanic, and refers to himself as a Latino. He identifies more with mixed race Hispanics from South America than Nordish North Americans. He is adamantly against Nords and Nordicism, yet in the past month he has fallen in love with Sigrun Christianson, a Nordicist Germanic redhead. He pursues her with a passion, talks of marriage and children, even though she does not share his beliefs, says that Meds mixing with Nords is wrong, and her ancestry is the farthest thing from Mediterranean and Hispanic. He even says that Nordics are part Mongoloid and that he finds this attractive. To rationalize all of his contradictions, he just claims that she is "Mediterranean" and redheadedness is a sign of Mediterranean ancestry. Perhaps he thinks "we're all Meds." Just like our new member Amar (who AWAR classified as Pontid), a Punjabi, pursues Nordic girls, claims that "we're all Caucasoid," and at least he's not a Negro. Ironically Mynydd then says white nationalism is stupid (even though his idea of race is very similar).

I think those are the people who have been at the forefront of Medicism, or at least the most outspoken Meds (those of Southern European origin) I have encountered so far.

With that said, I am not impressed with the racialism of Meds at all. They seem to merely be riding on the backs of Nords. Perhaps the reason why they become so hostile when Nords want to separate from them.

Thoughts?

[Related: Meds aren't really racist, only culturalist or theologist (http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=10248)]

Gesta Bellica
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 07:49 PM
They are not leaders, they are just people with their own opinions.

They don't represent any Medicists as a thing such Medicism doesn't exist but is just created by some non european "Nordicist" in order to have a white (supposed) negative counterpart to slander and to insult.

I can't see how can i be the same as a Greek, we are different culturally as much as we are different from Austrians or Croats.
Phenotype is not everything, it must walk hand in hand with the cultural aspects.. For example an american Black from the ghetto is not the same than a black african from Mali and so on.

A huge and culturally uniform white mass is not what i dream of.

Carl_Rylander
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 08:32 PM
The people you listed are probably disdainful of nords because northern barbarians sacked and burned Rome to the ground. They probably hold nords responsible for destroying their civilizations.

Siegfried
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 08:38 PM
The people you listed are probably disdainful of nords because northern barbarians sacked and burned Rome to the ground. They probably hold nords responsible for destroying their civilizations.

That would be just as ridiculous as blacks claiming whites 'owe' them because of slavery.

Gesta Bellica
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 08:50 PM
The people you listed are probably disdainful of nords because northern barbarians sacked and burned Rome to the ground. They probably hold nords responsible for destroying their civilizations.

yes, they were probably there assisting to such an horrendous spectacle... :oanieyes

Carl_Rylander
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 09:44 PM
That would be just as ridiculous as blacks claiming whites 'owe' them because of slavery.

I haven't seen any of these people claim nords owe them, but I have witnessed them complain about how nords thrusted Europe into the Dark Ages. I've read posts by Dienekes where he's made similar statements.

johnnywalker
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 01:31 AM
Meds are the creators...

Strengthandhonour
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 01:43 AM
What can we conclude about Medicism/Mediterranocentrism from its leaders or the most outspoken Meds?

Dienekes is apathetic to mongrelization and the destruction of America's white/Nordish foundation, holds a mixed racial median as the ideal beauty, and has said that if all of the races in the world mixed a Mediterranean or Mediterranoid would result.

Medhammer/Racial Myths seems apathetic as well, and his main motivation is refuting "myths" about race. He is fixated on Nords and Nordicism beyond just refuting what he considers pseudo-science, but further to disrupt any concept of Northern European identity and unity. He also includes Jews in as a core Central Medish type.

Galvez is allegedly part Jewish. I was told he posted under the name Joseph Cortez on Richard Poe's forum where he admitted this. Like Medhammer, his main motivation is to oppose Nordish identity and Nordicism. He claims he's against white nationalism and there is nothing wrong with interracial relationships.

Mynydd claims to be pro-Mediterranean and Pan-Hispanic, and refers to himself as a Latino. He identifies more with mixed race Hispanics from South America than Nordish North Americans. He is adamantly against Nords and Nordicism, yet in the past month he has fallen in love with Sigrun Christianson, a Nordicist Germanic redhead. He pursues her with a passion, talks of marriage and children, even though she does not share his beliefs, says that Meds mixing with Nords is wrong, and her ancestry is the farthest thing from Mediterranean and Hispanic. He even says that Nordics are part Mongoloid and that he finds this attractive. To rationalize all of his contradictions, he just claims that she is "Mediterranean" and redheadedness is a sign of Mediterranean ancestry. Perhaps he thinks "we're all Meds." Just like our new member Amar (who AWAR classified as Pontid), a Punjabi, pursues Nordic girls, claims that "we're all Caucasoid," and at least he's not a Negro. Ironically Mynydd then says white nationalism is stupid (even though his idea of race is very similar).

I think those are the people who have been at the forefront of Medicism, or at least the most outspoken Meds (those of Southern European origin) I have encountered so far.

With that said, I am not impressed with the racialism of Meds at all. They seem to merely be riding on the backs of Nords. Perhaps the reason why they become so hostile when Nords want to separate from them.

Thoughts?

[Related: Meds aren't really racist, only culturalist or theologist (http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=10248)]
I don't recall any type of election to pick those members as the "leaders" of the Meds. Sometimes I wonder if this feud among meds and nords only exsists in this message board..

johnnywalker
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 01:48 AM
I don't recall any type of election to pick those members as the "leaders" of the Meds. Sometimes I wonder if this feud among meds and nords only exsists in this message board..
I don't think so..
Visited Italy last summer and I just felt the tension between the Italians and the German tourists, they don't really like 'em..

Awar
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 01:48 AM
Nordhammer, when you decide to quote someone, especially someone you hate,
at least have the decency to quote the entire statement, in it's CONTEXT.

You're misquoting, twisting words and HEAVILY EDITING the said statements.

Strengthandhonour
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 01:52 AM
I don't think so..
Visited Italy last summer and I just felt the tension between the Italians and the German tourists, they don't really like 'em..
I have never noticed such. What part of Italy where you at?
Personally, I have some German friends and we get along great. And I know many Italians that can say the same.

johnnywalker
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 02:11 AM
I have never noticed such. What part of Italy where you at?
Personally, I have some German friends and we get along great. And I know many Italians that can say the same.Anywhere..Rimini, Milano but most in Rome...(which got to do with history I guess, Germanics that have 'killed' Roma in the past)
In Rimini there were alot of noisy fat german tourists (im not being stereotypical) and they hung out the German flag @ one of the appartments balconees..
You should have seen the looks of the Italians'faces..
At the open discotheque @ Rimini (can't remember the name) the Germans were not even looked at and got 'bad looks'..it was kind of sad because I was with 2 (cute blonde) Swiss girls and the Italian chicks gave them looks that could kill...Italians are very nationalist and they really don't care about non-Italians..

I'm an Indian Punjabi and they all thought I was a Southern italian ( I swear) they even asked for directions to hotels (in Italian) and when I told them I was an Indian tourist they told me they thought I was from Napoli of Sicily and looked Mediterannean (well I am MediterannOID)..I thought this was very cool though...I love Italy (:o ciao e tutti

Strengthandhonour
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 02:14 AM
Anywhere..Rimini, Milano but most in Rome...
In Rimini there were alot of noisy fat german tourists (im not being stereotypical) and they hung out the German flag @ one of the appartments balconees..
At the open discotheque @ Rimini (can't remember the name) the Germans were not even looked at and got 'bad looks'..it was kind of sad because I was with 2 (cute blonde) Swiss girls and the Italian chicks gave them looks that could kill...Italians are very nationalist and they really don't care about non-Italians..

I'm an Indian Punjabi and they all thought I was a Southern italian ( I swear) they even asked for directions to hotels (in Italian) and when I told them I was an Indian tourist they told me they thought I was from Napoli of Sicily and looked Mediterannean (well I am MediterannOID)..I thought this was very cool though...I love Italy (:o
I am southern Italian, Even through most people don't think I look like the typical southern Italian. But yes, many in the south are very dark. Italian are very nationalists, Extremely actually. But yes, to some extend I know what you mean about the German tourists. I woudln't really consider it a med vs nord feud through.

johnnywalker
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 02:18 AM
check out Rimini..there was almost a fight between some drunk German boys and Italian football supporters ( I think Lazio who went to Rimini for holidays)

Awar
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 02:26 AM
What can we conclude about Medicism/Mediterranocentrism from its leaders or the most outspoken Meds?

Leaders of what? Leaders appointed by whom?
This little med vs. nord feud exists only in your mind and on a couple of message boards.

You and a couple of other loud individuals spew a lot of hatred against a whole group of people, some of them respond, others don't care.


Dienekes is apathetic to mongrelization and the destruction of America's white/Nordish foundation, holds a mixed racial median as the ideal beauty, and has said that if all of the races in the world mixed a Mediterranean or Mediterranoid would result.

Dienekes' original statement didn't even mention racial mixing, it mentioned meds as a population unadapted to either extremes ( cold or heat ), and thus more 'normal' and beautiful. Neither with an insufficience of pigmentation, nor an overabundance, and thus more appealing to the eye.

You don't have to agree with it, I don't agree either, but at least don't misquote.


Medhammer/Racial Myths seems apathetic as well, and his main motivation is refuting "myths" about race. He is fixated on Nords and Nordicism beyond just refuting what he considers pseudo-science, but further to disrupt any concept of Northern European identity and unity. He also includes Jews in as a core Central Medish type.

Most of racial pseudo-science however does come from nordicists and nordishists, and also from afrocentrists. If you have a problem with him refuting people like Arthur Kemp, then I have to ask you, Nordhammer, do you actually agree with Kemp and all his lies, falsifications and fabrications.


Galvez is allegedly part Jewish.

"Allegedly part Jewish" ... This is an allegation based off some second-hand information you got off some message board. So, if I was to express my suspicion that you're an Eskimo, then, we could see someone make a thread and mention "Nordhammer, Allegedly an Eskimo".... ridiculous.


I was told he posted under the name Joseph Cortez on Richard Poe's forum where he admitted this. Like Medhammer, his main motivation is to oppose Nordish identity and Nordicism. He claims he's against white nationalism and there is nothing wrong with interracial relationships.

Galvez expresses his opinions... he isn't a leader of anything, he isn't an ideologist, there are no known followers of Galvez's thought.....so, what's your point then?


Mynydd claims to be pro-Mediterranean and Pan-Hispanic, and refers to himself as a Latino. He identifies more with mixed race Hispanics from South America than Nordish North Americans. He is adamantly against Nords and Nordicism, yet in the past month he has fallen in love with Sigrun Christianson, a Nordicist Germanic redhead. He pursues her with a passion, talks of marriage and children, even though she does not share his beliefs, says that Meds mixing with Nords is wrong, and her ancestry is the farthest thing from Mediterranean and Hispanic. He even says that Nordics are part Mongoloid and that he finds this attractive. To rationalize all of his contradictions, he just claims that she is "Mediterranean" and redheadedness is a sign of Mediterranean ancestry.

Would you please provide LINKS to all these STATEMENTS.... and I MEAN, ALL.



Perhaps he thinks "we're all Meds."

C.S.Coon a respected and much quoted anthropologist ( even by the 'highest' Nordish authorities ) also thought that Nordics and other gracilized northern Europeans belong to the BASIC MEDITERRANEAN STRAIN.
Other authors and scientists do too.


Just like our new member Amar (who AWAR classified as Pontid),

I haven't classified him as 'Pontid', that's a lie. Have the decency to post what I said in it's entirety.


I think those are the people who have been at the forefront of Medicism, or at least the most outspoken Meds (those of Southern European origin) I have encountered so far.

This is of course only in your imagination. There is nothing you can refer to as 'medicism' except two Medhammer's elaborate joke sites.


With that said, I am not impressed with the racialism of Meds at all.

As I said to you previously, most southern and eastern European nations DO NOT NEED ANY IDEOLOGY to 'guide' them, like you and many northern Europeans and Americans of that ancestry seem to need.

We're perfectly satisfied with nationalism that's very real and very strong with most Europeans.


They seem to merely be riding on the backs of Nords.

How are 'they' riding Nords?


Perhaps the reason why they become so hostile when Nords want to separate from them.

Northern Europeans and southern Europeans are already separated.
The only mixing that ever does happen in a noticeable level is during holidays when northern Europeans visit southern Europe. The only sort of mixing that happens is almost exclusively by northern women and southern men.


Thoughts?

Northern Europe and America is being overrun by Negroids, Mongoloids and south Asians. The inter-racial relationships that happen are predominantly involving 'Nordish' women and Negroid or South Asian men, and 'Nordish' men and Mongoloid women. They often marry and have children.

Such things almost never happen in southern or eastern Europe, or almost never involve people of southern or eastern European ancestry because these people hold their nationalism very high.

My conclusion is that you have too much time on your hands, also, because of the fact that Negroids, Mongoloids and South Asians rarely or never visit SKADI and other white racialist message boards, you've created a hobby of making annoying and absurd statements directed against southern Europeans, just because these people do visit SKADI.

Evolved
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 02:39 AM
I don't think there is any such thing as Medicism or Nordicism in the real world. I don't see the point in arguing over the net who gets imaginary control over people's mating habits.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 02:44 AM
I don't think there is any such thing as Medicism or Nordicism in the real world. I don't see the point in arguing over the net who gets imaginary control over people's mating habits.

Returning to earth...why are we involved in this imaginary conflict betweens Nords and Meds? What are the real issues? Who is being threatned? I must have missed something or is this just a European thing?

ogenoct
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 02:48 AM
I'm an Indian Punjabi and they all thought I was a Southern italian ( I swear) they even asked for directions to hotels (in Italian) and when I told them I was an Indian tourist they told me they thought I was from Napoli of Sicily and looked Mediterannean (well I am MediterannOID)..I thought this was very cool though...I love Italy (:o ciao e tutti
The Germans have a much deeper and more significant bond with India than the Italians, though.

Constantin

Med
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 12:42 PM
He also includes Jews in as a core Central Medish type.

Since Jews are not a race but a widely distributed religious group, they can be Sudish, Medish or Nordish. I guess the fifty times I explained that to you before weren't enough.

Graeme
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 01:17 PM
People are entitled to their viewpoints and to have their viewpoints accurately retold. Medish is a spoof on Nordish. It is meant to be provocative and humorous. Look, if some Nordid types think Mediterranid types having relationships with Nordids is miscegenation that's OK with me. It will not stop whites mixing with other sub types or with negrids or mongoloids. Nothing is going to stop that, at least nothing on any internet forum.

As far as Rome etc, if civilizations cannot defend themselves then they deserve to be destroyed. If Europe or the USA or Canada or Australia allow themselves to be outbred by non Europeans and muslims, so be it. We all know what we can do to arrest the immigration of undesirables or restricting citizenship or restricting rights to ownership or employment or forcing foreigners to leave after 5 years including their native wives and half breed children. There are lots of things we can do to protect the racial mix of our countries other than slagging off Europeans of different sub types.

Also if you haven't noticed, the majority of Meds are Alpinids or Dinarics. If you want pure Med like people go to Yemen like Coon did.

Praxus
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 01:34 PM
Nordicism/Nordicentrism

Nordics have long tried to degrade or paint a false image upon the Med race, which has contributed so much to humanity. Through their jealousy, Nordics have become increasingly hostile, staying true to their barbaric ways which their ancestors exhibited all throughout their meaningless existences. I mean, Nordic ancestors were nothing more than mindless brutes, killing, raping, and pillaging anything they can get their filthy hands on. The Meds were scientists, artists, architects...how can anyone possibly refute the fact that the Meds are the greatest sub-race ever to grace the Earth?

Nordhammer
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 02:09 PM
I was with 2 (cute blonde) Swiss girls and the Italian chicks gave them looks that could kill...Italians are very nationalist and they really don't care about non-Italians..

I'm an Indian Punjabi and they all thought I was a Southern italian ( I swear) they even asked for directions to hotels (in Italian) and when I told them I was an Indian tourist they told me they thought I was from Napoli of Sicily and looked Mediterannean (well I am MediterannOID)..I thought this was very cool though...I love Italy (:o ciao e tutti

Just more evidence. :)

Ederico
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 02:23 PM
Just more evidence. :)
I'd like to see a picture of this Indian Punjabi, because frankly I either think he is exaggerating and/or lying or the tourists were extremely ignorant of racial types.

Frans_Jozef
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 03:12 PM
Nordicism/Nordicentrism

Nordics have long tried to degrade or paint a false image upon the Med race, which has contributed so much to humanity. Through their jealousy, Nordics have become increasingly hostile, staying true to their barbaric ways which their ancestors exhibited all throughout their meaningless existences. I mean, Nordic ancestors were nothing more than mindless brutes, killing, raping, and pillaging anything they can get their filthy hands on. The Meds were scientists, artists, architects...how can anyone possibly refute the fact that the Meds are the greatest sub-race ever to grace the Earth?

Beware smooth rethorical, calculating civilized Romans, they outstrip any Northern Barbarian in their vileness, how many tribes and ethnics have been enslaved by the Romans, didn't they went so far as erasing the whole Celtic tribe of the Eburons, a major genocide?
For any transcendental idea?
For honour and rightiousness?
Nope, to fill their stretched, insatiable stomachs during their orgies with some more food, to vomit it out and cramming again.
As swines?
I wouldn't say so, a swine is a respectable, fine and profitable animal.
But, in the end what was the Roman Empire but a reservoir dog...
As Léon Bloy would put it, if you lived a lifetime as a pig, why would you wail that you're dying as a dog...

Frans_Jozef
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 03:18 PM
Nordicism/Nordicentrism

Nordics have long tried to degrade or paint a false image upon the Med race, which has contributed so much to humanity.

Some did, indeed, but most, despite their nordicist faith have said sensible things and shown admiration for the Mediterrenean cultures, but speaking of false image, some the Med. intellectualists and racialists display a much greater and arrogant bias towards Nordics, Alpines and Dinarics and their accomplishments in culture, science and general history.

Mac Seafraidh
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 03:21 PM
This does not talk about great Med leaders at all. There was great Med. leaders by the way. Inclduing: Mussolini,Franco,Caesar,Metaxas,Peron,Bu onaparte,etc.The fathers of Italian nationalism Garibaldi and Mazzini.Being med was not the issue under the Roman Empire and Fascist Italy(racial laws included). Does the Latin term S.P.Q.R. sound fimiliar -The Roman people and the Senate, not the Mediterranean. I see this Nord/Med war more against Italians than the other Med races. I am not against Nords or Meds and I do believe I should ony date, mingle, or marry a women of mixed European ancestry because I am. That would destroy a beautiful race even futher. My point is nords vs. meds is utter stupidity. Hmm, picture a race war in the future Nords vs against all the possible sub-races in Europe? Ridiculous.

Nordhammer
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 03:28 PM
Well here's one that claims to pass as a Med and some others agree:

http://www.forums.skadi.net/image.php?u=2461&dateline=1082405781

Scoob
You look completely Caucasian/Europid in that picture.

You look almost like an Atlantid!

I don't think skin pigmentation is terribly important, because it can be changed by climactic factors rather easily.

Agrippa says the beard on Amar's avatar suggests admixture with Armenids or Orientalids - but I notice many Italians and even Black Irish have this "Fred Flintstone" type beard, with heavy five o clock shadow. I think Colin Farell has it also. Nords seem not to have it, but perhaps this is a recent Nordid trait acquired from mixing with Uralic peoples in Scandinavia.

AWAR
"( you? ) looks like some sort of darker Nordid Pontid... of course, the indic influence is visible, but it's mostly in pigmentation and some minor features."

Susisaari
I think you look Spanish.

Amar

Please keep in mind that I am generally a little swarthier than that picture suggests. The picture was taken after a particularly rough semester at school where I spent the past few months programming inside a dark dingy lab from morning till midnight. Also, it was taken at the end of a long and dark wisconsin winter

I was stating that my skin color and ability to tan rapidly is an adaptation to the region my ancestors have lived in and not a result of mescegenation.

I tan very fast. When I go to India to visit family or even during the summer in the USA, I will turn brown really quick.
Like I had said on an earlier thread, I would not pass for a white american but maybe could pass for a southern italian.

(He can not pass for white American but can pass for Southern Med. :D)

Turificator
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 03:32 PM
I don't think there is any such thing as Medicism or Nordicism in the real world. I don't see the point in arguing over the net who gets imaginary control over people's mating habits.

I feel exactly the same way: the whole Med vs Nord thing is farcical to say the least. Still, it's rather entertaining (I had a few good loughs so far)...

Frans_Jozef
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 03:38 PM
This does not talk about great Med leaders at all. There was great Med. leaders by the way. Inclduing: Mussolini,Franco,Caesar,Metaxas,Peron,Bu onaparte,etc.The fathers of Italian nationalism Garibaldi and Mazzini.Being med was not the issue under the Roman Empire and Fascist Italy(racial laws included). Does the Latin term S.P.Q.R. sound fimiliar -The Roman people and the Senate, not the Mediterranean. I see this Nord/Med war more against Italians than the other Med races. I am not against Nords or Meds and I do believe I should ony date, mingle, or marry a women of mixed European ancestry because I am. That would destroy a beautiful race even futher. My point is nords vs. meds is utter stupidity. Hmm, picture a race war in the future Nords vs against all the possible sub-races in Europe? Ridiculous.

Benito Mussolini was part Alpine or Borreby, part Med+Dinaric, typical representative of NE Italy's regione of Romagna.
For Europe the problems lays not in the indiginous Med. bloodlines, but in the acceptance and letting to be root-stucked in our homelands of new contigents of non-Europids and Caucasians from outside our Continent.

morfrain_encilgar
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 03:39 PM
Beware smooth rethorical, calculating civilized Romans, they outstrip any Northern Barbarian in their vileness, how many tribes and ethnics have been enslaved by the Romans, didn't they went so far as erasing the whole Celtic tribe of the Eburons, a major genocide?


They weren't our friends, they behaved to us, like the Spanish in the Americas.

Siegfried
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 03:42 PM
For Europe the problems lays not in the indiginous Med. bloodlines, but in the acceptance and letting to be root-stucked in our homelands of new contigents of non-Europids and Caucasians from outside our Continent.

I wholeheartedly agree. :)

Nordhammer
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 04:19 PM
I feel exactly the same way: the whole Med vs Nord thing is farcical to say the least. Still, it's rather entertaining (I had a few good loughs so far)...

The same could be said about all racialism.

Do you agree with her too that all racialism is pointless and we're all doomed to a brownskinned, mongrelized future?

The fact is NS Germany had a Northern ideal, as did traditional America. There is nothing farcical about it. Lots of people have these innate feelings and choose their partners accordingly.

nemo
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 04:41 PM
Just more evidence. :)

Don't believe everything you read on a web forum. that person is just a provocotor, probably some jew, Italians and Germans always got along very well here in NYC.

Turificator
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 04:58 PM
Do you agree with her too that all racialism is pointless and we're all doomed to a brownskinned, mongrelized future?

The fact is NS Germany had a Northern ideal, as did traditional America. There is nothing farcical about it. Lots of people have these innate feelings and choose their partners accordingly.

It is essential to defend the ethnic identity of the European peoples. Ethnic identity=genetics. Phenotype alone is meaningless.

Anyway, with all respect: I couldn't care less about your racialist strategies in the USA. Your 'Nordish' ideas have nothing to do with the contemporary European struggle for self-identity. I'm not attacking your ideal, it's just that I find them utterly irrelevant.

Long Live Death!

nemo
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 05:00 PM
(He can not pass for white American but can pass for Southern Med. :D)

Let him dream, it's like colin powell saying he could pass for white, remember this is the internet and people can claim anything without showing any proof to back up thier claims.

He uses the broad term Southern Italian, well Amar I'm southern Italian and I have fair skin and blue eyes, do you look like me Amar? I don't think so, we have paki's and Indians living in NYC, and you can distinguish them from the other white populations of NE and SE here quite easily.

They don't look white and they do not look like any SE either, they look like what they are a mixed race group of people.

Nordhammer
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 05:06 PM
Ethnic identity=genetics. Phenotype alone is meaningless.

I see... and how do you think people grouped themselves before the advent of DNA technology? You're telling me you recognize your people everyday by their DNA test? I'd say phenotype is the primary means of identification and relation.



Anyway, with all respect

I couldn't care less about your racialist strategies

I'm not attacking your ideal

it's just that I find them utterly irrelevant.


Sounds sincere. :)

Nordhammer
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 05:11 PM
I'm southern Italian and I have fair skin and blue eyes

Are you 100% Southern Italian?

The question is, is he within the Southern European range? Some people here think he is.

Awar
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 05:11 PM
That's why I said that his Indic influence is visible in pigmentation and other features... I think he's racially a mix between a mediterranean and an south-asian strain.

I don't see what's so hard to understand in what I said, and what others said about Amar as well.

I think the only judges of whether he can or cannot pass as a southern Italian are southern Italians, not me, not him, and especially not someone who's never even been to Italy like Nordhammer.

BlueEyedDevil
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 05:40 PM
Nordhammer, first visit Italy and the north of Portugal and Spain, so after known us, say something.
Scandinavians and some slavs, mainly Finns have mongoloid admixture, so we will say that all nordics are not pure, are not true whites.
Coz you are doing the same uid the Meds, just why there are Meds uid moor ancestry.
I'm a pure Med, fair skin and blue eyes, my sister is readhead and my father also ...

Turificator
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 06:39 PM
I see... and how do you think people grouped themselves before the advent of DNA technology? You're telling me you recognize your people everyday by their DNA test? I'd say phenotype is the primary means of identification and relation.

In Europe people didn't group themselves according to phenotype. Before the advent of the centralist State and, later, of liberal-capitalism, they identified with the organic community of shared blood and culture they were part of. Mass-immigration of aliens in Europe is only a recent phenomenon.

Nordhammer
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 07:14 PM
In Europe people didn't group themselves according to phenotype. Before the advent of the centralist State and, later, of liberal-capitalism, they identified with the organic community of shared blood and culture they were part of. Mass-immigration of aliens in Europe is only a recent phenomenon.

You claim that phenotype by itself is meaningless or it's of very little value. So how do you determine what race people are when you see them?

Frans_Jozef
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 07:22 PM
They weren't our friends, they behaved to us, like the Spanish in the Americas.

agitating one ttribe against the other(instignating ethnical fraticide),plundering, pillage and looting, if not worst things,better not mentioned here all public, and the Spanish are predominantly Mediterrenean..however Saharid for the southern and middle part of the Iberian peninsula...in other words, they behave under a shallow film of christianity and European civilisation like their Touareg counterparts in the Saharian desert...the menace of many caravans..., it's imbedded in their genetic blueprint ;)

Ebusitanus
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 07:24 PM
Sometimes I get the feeling all these exclusivist sub-racialists have actually lost all hope about "turning things around" and prefer to hide comfortably in their small Zoological garden.
Lets be serious here, if us, racialists, have a chance in hell to save our western civilization, culture and race from the all powerful Jewish might, then for sure we can not waste the few intelectual resources we have in throwing pathetic stones at each other about who is "superior" to whom or how Meds or Nords are disgusting or mixed with North Africans, Middle easterns, Mongoloids, etc, etc...
Every time you type a post here on this meaningless forum, a nigger goes and dates one of our women or men, breeds and multiplies, gets nationality, voting rights, distorts our culture a bit more, becomes TV moderator, etc, etc...
Can´t you just wake the f_ck up and smell the Coffee folks? Are we so defeated already that we talk about Meds and Nords or Slavs as we would talk about our Star Trek Vulcan action figure collection.

I do totally agree that subraces have to be preserved as much as possible as part of our milenary heritage. But for sure not issuing out "Breeding ID´s".

I just hope one day we will be in the situation were we will be able to aford such luxuries as to talk about if the Polaks need to return Silesia or if the Sicilians have so and so % of Arab genes or if the Finns are more mongolid than the Swedes. We can not, and to do so is pure cowardness about the real world out there, about those hunderds of millions of our kinspeople who are actively destroying what our forefathers took milenia in building up.

I understand, fellow racialists, that its "easier" to racially categoritze pictures, demand the Meds to refrain their alleged genetic urge to steal Nordic women (LOL) or call for the return of the Suddeten back to the Reich. Yes, that the easy Role playing game way.

I do agree with Graeme taht as thinks are looking we deserve to get exterminated by nature´s rules. We are weak, divided, oppressed and we seem to have accepted this and thus enjoy playing wargames of Nords against Meds and who has the biggest dice roll modifier.

Pathetic ;(

Nordhammer
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 08:00 PM
"Allegedly part Jewish" ... This is an allegation based off some second-hand information you got off some message board. So, if I was to express my suspicion that you're an Eskimo, then, we could see someone make a thread and mention "Nordhammer, Allegedly an Eskimo".... ridiculous.

The reasonable allegation is based on a reliable source, it's based on his behavior, it's based on Njord's statement that Galvez admitted to it once, it's based on classifications, it's also based on the fact that Galvez won't answer the question.

Your comparison is ridiculous.


C.S.Coon a respected and much quoted anthropologist ( even by the 'highest' Nordish authorities ) also thought that Nordics and other gracilized northern Europeans belong to the BASIC MEDITERRANEAN STRAIN.
Other authors and scientists do too.

They also believe we all come from Africans and race is meaningless.

Being a derivative is another matter. Modern subraces are still significantly different enough for Coon and others to separate them. If we are to follow Mynydd's and your logic then Jews, Arabs, Iranians and some Indians are included as Meds as well.

Sigrun is predominantly of UP derivation and redhair is not from Mediterraneans.

Mynydd's sense of racialism is mongrelist, contradictory and self-serving.


As I said to you previously, most southern and eastern European nations DO NOT NEED ANY IDEOLOGY to 'guide' them, like you and many northern Europeans and Americans of that ancestry seem to need.

South America is a result of Mediterraneans' lack of guidance.


Such things almost never happen in southern or eastern Europe, or almost never involve people of southern or eastern European ancestry because these people hold their nationalism very high.

That's why Portugal has the highest Negroid admixture and unique North African admixture that exists nowhere else in Europe. Because they are so incredibly nationalistic. ;)


My conclusion is that you have too much time on your hands, also, because of the fact that Negroids, Mongoloids and South Asians rarely or never visit SKADI and other white racialist message boards, you've created a hobby of making annoying and absurd statements directed against southern Europeans, just because these people do visit SKADI.

You have enough time to read it all and respond at length. :)

My statements may be annoying to you and other anti-Nords, but the absurdity lies with you and Meds.

nemo
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 08:17 PM
Are you 100% Southern Italian?

The question is, is he within the Southern European range? Some people here think he is.

I don't care what some people here think, their the same people who think they are so..so white and so..so pure and that all the nordic people have the same phenotype and are so homogenous, when they are not, all their opinions are based on 200 yr old anglo/nordic ideology on race which was based on ignorance and bias in this country.

Like I said their are thousands of indians in NYC, and they don't look like any SE, they are very easy to identify, the reason he claims(if he is what he says he is) that he looks SE, it is because he bought the malicious lies of nordics, who say that SE have so much middle eastern blood, just take a look at crowds of Italians, and look at crowds of Indians and you will see a their is no comparison, he just believes the the lies of the nordics who have this great passion to convince others how white they are and how less white you are.

As far as my Southern Italian heritage go's, on my mothers side their from Rome, and fathers side they are from palermo sicily, these are my grandparents, my parents were born in America.

My grandmother from Rome had fair skin and blue eyes and so did my mother, their were no olive skinned people in my family on both my father and mother side.

My Sicilan grandmother was very fair skinned, and when I was a kid, I always thought she was German because of her over all appearance.

90% of the people who met me think I am German or Irish, and their are Italians that I met for the first time who I mistook as northern Europeans.

Stereo typing is based on ignorance and is a weapon others use just to degrade a whole group because a minority of that group look dubious.

Awar
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 09:07 PM
The reasonable allegation is based on a reliable source, it's based on his behavior, it's based on Njord's statement that Galvez admitted to it once, it's based on classifications, it's also based on the fact that Galvez won't answer the question.

Your comparison is ridiculous.

You haven't answered are you or are you not an Eskimo, therefore, a reasonable doubt exists that you are in fact an Eskimo, and I base that allegation on your behaviour.



They also believe we all come from Africans and race is meaningless.

Where do we all come from then? USA?


Being a derivative is another matter. Modern subraces are still significantly different enough for Coon and others to separate them. If we are to follow his and your logic then Jews, Arabs, Iranians and some Indians are included as Meds as well.

Jews are a religion, Arabs are a linguistic group, depending on the author or purpose, Iranians are a linguistic group or a population of a certain region, or descendants of a population from a certain region, Indians are inhabitants of an entire sub-continent and number over a billion, composing of many different races, subraces, ancestries, ethnicities, religions, linguistic groups etc.

None of these are a subrace.



Sigrun is predominantly of UP derivation and redhair is not from Mediterraneans.

I think Sigrun is a Brunn ( predominantly ), a western European sort of UP, originated from the same source in north Africa as atlanto-meds and other western European types.

http://www.dnaheritage.com/images/masterclass/europe_haplogroups_1.jpg
http://www.dnaheritage.com/images/masterclass/europe_haplogroups_2.jpg


His sense of racialism is mongrelist, contradictory and self-serving.

IMO yours is too, but I'm not bothered by it at all. It's your life, your problem, far, far away from me, just the way I like it.


South America is a result of Mediterraneans' lack of guidance.

:yawn.... this is the 34.000 time you repeated this statement.

The first colonists have been almost 100% male sailors.


That's why Portugal has the highest Negroid admixture and unique North African admixture that exists nowhere else in Europe. Because they are so incredibly nationalistic. ;)

Here's a nice little site dedicated to refuting lies about Portugal.
http://www.geocities.com/refuting_kemp/



My statements may be annoying to you and other anti-Nords, but the absurdity lies with you and Meds.

You obviously suffer from a dellusion that refuting and exposing your personal absurd statements and lies somehow makes one an anti-nord.
I'm not even anti-nordhammer :P.

Praxus
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 09:34 PM
Nordic bias and dismissive views really have no merit to me. They can deny the existence of a Med race, but clearly it does exist, and it's responsible for the Roman, Greek, Phoenecian, Arab, and ancient Egyptian empires. To claim that Medicism is ridiculous, and it's only a feeble creation of the Nordics, is ludicrous...people knew that a classification was needed, because it was all too apparent that these particular people didn't fit under the Nordic title, nor did they want to be insulted by such a designation.

Nordicism, staying true to it's barbarian ancestry, has managed to create this arbitrarily contrived notion of superiority, which really stems from nothing...mere fantasy.

If anything, I would guess that Nordic is really a neanderthal/homosapien hybrid race, which, at least during the early times, has managed to stay true to it's primitive genetic traits in being the most savage animals of the time.

Frans_Jozef
Friday, April 23rd, 2004, 12:54 AM
If anything, I would guess that Nordic is really a neanderthal/homosapien hybrid race, which, at least during the early times, has managed to stay true to it's primitive genetic traits in being the most savage animals of the time.


http://www.faace.co.uk/index.htm

http://www.faace.co.uk/huntdogs.htm

etc, etc...

Have you finally sown your wild oats?
Look as we are such savage animals, Nordics and the other Northwest Europeans, how comes that you still can gratuitious use or abuse all the resources and liberty to knock us down, insult us with one sneer after the other disdainful verbal attack, derobbing any dignity and honour as if we're mere trash...
Cant you stand up for the Med. race and southern cultures, which aren't necessaryly synonymous, in a more positive manner without bashing people down...?
Dont you think in all seriousness that you're trampling over our hospitality?


Well, Atlanto-med hit the nail with her historical comparison here above and I can add that in some Mediterreneans a Pizarro and Cortes do live.
And I wouldn't see this as a compliment.

northman75
Friday, April 23rd, 2004, 03:20 AM
The Out Of Africa theory , Very original Awar

Gesta Bellica
Friday, April 23rd, 2004, 06:27 PM
Are you 100% Southern Italian?

The question is, is he within the Southern European range? Some people here think he is.

No he is not.
he's clearly Indian.
i have never seen an italian with such features, some iranian or turk may be taken for southern italians but not him.
Only people that doesn't have a clue about subraces can define him as SE.

Turificator
Friday, April 23rd, 2004, 08:22 PM
You claim that phenotype by itself is meaningless or it's of very little value. So how do you determine what race people are when you see them?

Of course through phenotype, but phenotype alone is not to be trusted. For instance, there are many 'Nordic' Americans who have non-European blood in them, and many Southern Europeans who look ambiguous but are genetically pure (in relative terms...). I really don't want to go on discussing this (I already have elsewhere), so if you prefer we might just agree to differ. To me, as a European, phenotype alone is of little importance: ethnicity is what counts, one's blood. I wouldn't like my fair traits to dissapear, but I'm certainly not going to join a movement that revolves around the mistaken assumption that fairness and Nordic traits are a kind of ethnicity! (so in my opinion a 'Germanic' movement would make a lot more sense than a 'Nordish' one).

Sword Brethren
Friday, April 23rd, 2004, 08:33 PM
Jews are a religion, .

Jews are a race, they are distinctly different, and they identify themselves as a race. Therefore they are a race, at least in their own minds. And as such, they pursue their races agenda, to the detriment of other races (mainly our race)...

Pursuing your race's agenda may be okay, but the jews don't just do that, they are parasites who seek to live off of other races. Those who attempt to resist, the jew uses his stranglehold on the host nation's economy to ruin the nation. Or, he instigates a major war (ie. Thirty Years War, boer war, ww1, ww2, gulf war 1, gulf war 2).

Vestmannr
Friday, April 23rd, 2004, 09:55 PM
Nemo wrote: "Don't believe everything you read on a web forum. that person is just a provocotor, probably some jew, Italians and Germans always got along very well here in NYC."

We should apply the same rule to these words. Italians and Germans may get along well in NYC, but NYC is considered across the rest of the United States as the 'Mixing Pot' : the rest of us dont want to be like NYC. Italians did come to my state: they were disliked by the White population, so built their own community apart from the Whites, Blacks, Indians, etc. In NYC, Italians may have a celebrity status due to large numbers, and large representation in Media (thus, the endless Italian mafia movies the rest of us are subjected to, far out of proportion with their actual numbers in our society.) Out in 'real America', Italians are still considered foreign and suspect. Deal with it.

Secondly, and more importantly to my Celtic brothers: *There is no such thing as a Celtic Med!!!!* Celts are primarily UP, Atlantid, with some Nordic. Atlantids are not Meds. It is not our tradition, it is not our genetics, it is not our phenotypes.

SudVolk
Friday, April 23rd, 2004, 10:05 PM
Nemo wrote: "Don't believe everything you read on a web forum. that person is just a provocotor, probably some jew, Italians and Germans always got along very well here in NYC."

We should apply the same rule to these words. Italians and Germans may get along well in NYC, but NYC is considered across the rest of the United States as the 'Mixing Pot' : the rest of us dont want to be like NYC. Italians did come to my state: they were disliked by the White population, so built their own community apart from the Whites, Blacks, Indians, etc. In NYC, Italians may have a celebrity status due to large numbers, and large representation in Media (thus, the endless Italian mafia movies the rest of us are subjected to, far out of proportion with their actual numbers in our society.) Out in 'real America', Italians are still considered foreign and suspect. Deal with it.

Secondly, and more importantly to my Celtic brothers: *There is no such thing as a Celtic Med!!!!* Celts are primarily UP, Atlantid, with some Nordic. Atlantids are not Meds. It is not our tradition, it is not our genetics, it is not our phenotypes.Seeing the Italians as just mafioso is such a US-centric view. My Italian friends and colleagues in the UK laugh along with mafia jokes, they don't get offended by them. In the UK, Italians are seen as clever, sophisticated and good-looking people; clearly a different perspective from that in the US. Contrast that with the fact that in the UK Germans are seen as efficient, humourless and a bit boring; is this how you see them?

Awar
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 06:06 PM
There is no such thing as 'medicism'. There is however nationalism.

Awar
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 06:13 PM
Medhammer created the 'March of the Giants' site as a parody of Kemp's MOTT.
He might not admit it, but it's an elaborate joke.

morfrain_encilgar
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 07:26 PM
"There is no such thing as 'medicism'. There is however nationalism."

Sure there is: it is represented by the 'March of the Giants' silliness, and the anti-Nordic, anti-Slavic, anti-Celtic, anti-German, anti-(insert anything non-Med here) antics of those who identify themselves as Meds on this board, and jump on anyone who posts anything that might be construed in their mind to lessen their case for Meds being the pinnacle of evolution and civilization.

Gag....


Since Medicism is usually from Meds outside their own countries, can it really be called nationalism, or wouldn't they choose to repatriate?

nemo
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 08:54 PM
"There is no such thing as 'medicism'. There is however nationalism."

Sure there is: it is represented by the 'March of the Giants' silliness, and the anti-Nordic, anti-Slavic, anti-Celtic, anti-German, anti-(insert anything non-Med here) antics of those who identify themselves as Meds on this board, and jump on anyone who posts anything that might be construed in their mind to lessen their case for Meds being the pinnacle of evolution and civilization.

Gag....

anti-nordic,anti-slavic, anti- german, typical jew tactic to divide and conquer
no wonder why hitler gassed them

Vestmannr
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 10:49 PM
I think you are right, atlanto-med. Nationalism assumes a nation. If one is in a country where the 'nation' is 'other' than one's self, it would make more sense from a nationalist perspective to move to where one is the same as the 'nation'.

Vestmannr
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 10:58 PM
Looks like my reply disappeared, I'll try again:
"Seeing the Italians as just mafioso is such a US-centric view. My Italian friends and colleagues in the UK laugh along with mafia jokes, they don't get offended by them. In the UK, Italians are seen as clever, sophisticated and good-looking people; clearly a different perspective from that in the US."

Yes, I agree. But remember that Italian immigration to the US is not representative of all Italians in Italy. Immigration was from localized areas, and so Italians in America are not necessarily like all Italians in Europe. Also remember, the mafioso is a historical fact for America. That is the American experience of Italian immigrants (not necessarily of Italians in Italy.) Just as much as the fact that us Old Americans may be of Old World stock: but not the same as those who still live back over the great water. Again, I would suggest "Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America", by David Hackett Fischer for information that one might compare as regards Anglo-American society, with that of modern British society.

" Contrast that with the fact that in the UK Germans are seen as efficient, humourless and a bit boring; is this how you see them?"

I guess that was the part the last post was deleted for: basically, in a sense, except for the 'bit boring' part. Germans are seem as far more the norm/average in the States as the Germans did assimilate, but also modified American society from pretty early on.

goidelicwarrior
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 10:26 AM
I don't recall any type of election to pick those members as the "leaders" of the Meds. Sometimes I wonder if this feud among meds and nords only exsists in this message board..
it probably does.. one selldom encounters such infantil behaviour as on this board.. what has any of these medicists or nordicists done in real life..?

goidelicwarrior
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 10:38 AM
Are you 100% Southern Italian?

The question is, is he within the Southern European range? Some people here think he is. range this and range that.. whats your problem ? you seem obsessed with something called meds.. when should be adressing your own cesspool.. as Turificator said.. please proceed with your American white nationalism what ever that is.. ;)

goidelicwarrior
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 10:56 AM
agitating one ttribe against the other(instignating ethnical fraticide),plundering, pillage and looting, if not worst things,better not mentioned here all public, and the Spanish are predominantly Mediterrenean..however Saharid for the southern and middle part of the Iberian peninsula...in other words, they behave under a shallow film of christianity and European civilisation like their Touareg counterparts in the Saharian desert...the menace of many caravans..., it's imbedded in their genetic blueprint ;)

shallow film of civilzation? The Tartessos civilization was flourishing 1000 bc.. and btw.. the so called 200 conquistadors that faced 35000 indians where mostly from extremadura wich was one of the several Celtic settlements alongside Galicia and Asturias.. do your homework before u start to sound like an American.. :D

Frans_Jozef
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 10:58 AM
sorry.. touraregs where expelled long time ago.. read history...

Doesn't diminishes the fact that the Southern Spaniards are Saharid.

Read anthropology. :P

morfrain_encilgar
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 11:21 AM
sorry.. touraregs where expelled long time ago.. read history...

No, the Moslems were assimilated as much as they would accept it, like the Spanish Jews (many of who became marranos). Like the 20th century nationalists in China or Turkey, the Christian rulers of Spain wanted a stable state. They weren't interested in race.

goidelicwarrior
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 11:31 AM
Doesn't diminishes the fact that the Southern Spaniards are Saharid.

Read anthropology. :P
sure.. dont read so much.. go and visit the acctual places instead.. the SS stock have seen contribution by many peoples, iberians, celts, romans, germans.. so how can they all be saharid.. u just need to go to Marroc to see the diff.. are u from Antwerpen ? if soo.. the saharid element is probably larger.. ;)

Frans_Jozef
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 11:35 AM
No, the Moslems were assimilated as much as they would accept it, like the Spanish Jews (many of who became marranos). Like 20th century nationalists in China or Turkey, the Christian rulers of Spain wanted a stable state. They weren't interested in race.

A soon an etnic group surpass the 8% of the population , they're making demands and want to overrule the autochtonous majority.
Jews and Muslims are alike, forget any mythology about their power and influence, but concentrate what is just a biological need.
Saving one's future cost what cost, it's them against us.
Assimilation of a handful of families at most, an individual certainly, but never minorities, I has never worked out in history and I never will.

The Romance notion of race is different to our Germanic folkist idea, but if not spoiled by the jacobine philosophy, it's still close enough to ours and partial to a racial theme.

To the Spaniards, I can say one thing, beware the muslims in Andalousia, even your brothers and sisters by Castillian blood...overtrow them and send them away resolutely out of your country.
Humane but firm.

goidelicwarrior
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 11:40 AM
No, the Moslems were assimilated as much as they would accept it, like the Spanish Jews (many of who became marranos). Like 20th century nationalists in China or Turkey, the Christian rulers of Spain wanted a stable state. They weren't interested in race. and this you know for sure.. if there where any ethnic cleancing comparable with that of Ferdinand and Isabella please let me know.... most of the " marranos " where condemmed by the inquisision and many more left for the colonies.. this you know for sure.. :D

Frans_Jozef
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 11:41 AM
sure.. dont read so much.. go and visit the acctual places instead.. the SS stock have seen contribution by many peoples, iberians, celts, romans, germans.. so how can they all be saharid.. u just need to go to Marroc to see the diff.. are u from Antwerpen ? if soo.. the saharid element is probably larger.. ;)


I know all to well, i confront them daily.
Everyday their arrogance and self-imposing lust is feeded by the rigid anti-racist laws of our government, and the languidity to retaliate against these bastards either in polls or at street.
They make demands, institutions and pro-immigrant lobbies help them, the parlement yield to them in a fake circus of being humane and social conscious and they grow larger in numbers, both physically as in weighing upon the political agenda.

goidelicwarrior
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 11:44 AM
A soon an etnic group surpass the 8% of the population , they're making demands and want to overrule the autochtonous majority.
Jews and Muslims are alike, forget any mythology about their power and influence, but concentrate what is just a biological need.
Saving one's future cost what cost, it's them against us.
Assimilation of a handful of families at most, an individual certainly, but never minorities, I has never worked out in history and I never will.

The Romance notion of race is different to our Germanic folkist idea, but if not spoiled by the jacobine philosophy, it's still close enough to ours and partial to a racial theme.

To the Spaniards, I can say one thing, beware the muslims in Andalousia, even your brothers and sisters by Castillian blood...overtrow them and send them away resolutely out of your country.
Humane but firm. well.. sure.. we sent them away before and can do it again.. what about your minorities in Belgium and the Netherlands ? can you send them away.. humane and firm ? ;)

Hidalgo
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 11:47 AM
I find it pretty strange that saharid Andalusians are genetically so close to other Europeans.

http://website.lineone.net/~usenet_evidence/gene_legacy/se4308962003.gif

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3775/plot.jpg

Frans_Jozef
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 11:48 AM
sure.. dont read so much.. go and visit the acctual places instead.. the SS stock have seen contribution by many peoples, iberians, celts, romans, germans.. so how can they all be saharid.. u just need to go to Marroc to see the diff.. are u from Antwerpen ? if soo.. the saharid element is probably larger.. ;)

All right, I based my statement on Bertil Lundman who describes a Saharid population in Southern Spain, maybe it's a trompe d'oeil due to convergence of certain traits.
Could you please then from your own observations in a few lines tell us about the composition of the Southern Spaniards?

Frans_Jozef
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 11:54 AM
well.. sure.. we sent them away before and can do it again.. what about your minorities in Belgium and the Netherlands ? can you send them away.. humane and firm ? ;)

yes, with C-130 military transport airplanes. ;)

Frans_Jozef
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 11:57 AM
I find it pretty strange that saharid Andalusians are genetically so close to other Europeans.

http://website.lineone.net/~usenet_evidence/gene_legacy/se4308962003.gif

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3775/plot.jpg

Very close to the high-vaulted Capellid stock.

morfrain_encilgar
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 12:15 PM
and this you know for sure.. if there where any ethnic cleancing comparable with that of Ferdinand and Isabella please let me know.... most of the " marranos " where condemmed by the inquisision and many more left for the colonies.. this you know for sure.. :D


Actually, yes I do know all this.

The word "marranos" means crypto-Jews, or Jews who pretended to assimilate, but who continued the practice of Judaism in secret. Their racial ancestry was of no concern to the Spanish monarchy, and it had nothing to do with the inquisition.

That Jews could become marranos at all, shows that they were allowed to convert to Christianity.

goidelicwarrior
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 12:42 PM
I know all to well, i confront them daily.
Everyday their arrogance and self-imposing lust is feeded by the rigid anti-racist laws of our government, and the languidity to retaliate against these bastards either in polls or at street.
They make demands, institutions and pro-immigrant lobbies help them, the parlement yield to them in a fake circus of being humane and social conscious and they grow larger in numbers, both physically as in weighing upon the political agenda.
so.. the only way is to unite all Europes nationalist parties and .. otherwise people like haider will be outmanouvered by the jewish pressure the hangs over our weekened governments.... then.. if we suceed.. we can split hairs.. ;)

goidelicwarrior
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 12:49 PM
yes, with C-130 military transport airplanes. ;)
haaaaaaaaaaaaaa... what a face they would make.. " cant I have free funds and stare at Dutch girls anymore ?? whyyyyyyyyyyy???

morfrain_encilgar
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 12:54 PM
so.. the only way is to unite all Europes nationalist parties and .. otherwise people like haider will be outmanouvered by the jewish pressure the hangs over our weekened governments.... then.. if we suceed.. we can split hairs.. ;)


I disagree, because grouping together works against an enemy outside. The Jews and the immigrants are within. Each country can only solve these internal problems on its own.

goidelicwarrior
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 02:56 PM
I disagree, because grouping together works against an enemy outside. The Jews and the immigrants are within. Each country can only solve these internal problems on its own.
hmmm. and what happend to Jörg Haider ? im sure if there had been Haiders in all European countries.. or in a majority.. this wouldent have happend..

morfrain_encilgar
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 04:03 PM
hmmm. and what happend to Jörg Haider ? im sure if there had been Haiders in all European countries.. or in a majority.. this wouldent have happend..


But thats the problem, if not all nationalist movements come to power at once in Europe. And, when one rises it will be removed, even with force, like the bombing of Serbia.

Awar
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 08:26 PM
The government in Serbia wasn't truly nationalist.

The people are nationalists, so the government just played the 'nationalist tune' and all the while stole incredible ammounts of cash through pyramidal schemes, banking frauds, forced nationalization, absurd laws, smuggling of drugs, weapons, humans, oil, etc.

The people were already fed up with the government, so the NATO aggression just prolonged the life of the regime for another year. It was an attack on the people of Serbia, not it's politicians.

morfrain_encilgar
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 08:37 PM
The government in Serbia wasn't truly nationalist.

The people are nationalists, so the government just played the 'nationalist tune' and all the while stole incredible ammounts of cash through pyramidal schemes, banking frauds, forced nationalization, absurd laws, smuggling of drugs, weapons, humans, oil, etc.

The people were already fed up with the government, so the NATO aggression just prolonged the life of the regime for another year. It was an attack on the people of Serbia, not it's politicians.


That mignt be how you saw it, but it wasn't how the foreign attackers saw it.

Why do you think they called Milosevic, a Hitler?

nemo
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 10:13 PM
range this and range that.. whats your problem ? you seem obsessed with something called meds.. when should be adressing your own cesspool.. as Turificator said.. please proceed with your American white nationalism what ever that is.. ;)

Being American I can tell you that white nationalism means just HATE everybody who is not like me,it makes no difference if you are white , because to these misfits, white means being only what they are.

This country was founded on hate, the seeds were planted by the first boat load of Anglos who first landed here.

Every immigrant group who came felt that hate, the Irish, the German, the Italian etc, it was like a domino effect, then these groups hated the next European group of immigrants and after 100yrs it has not changed

No their is no white unity in America, and their never will be.

goidelicwarrior
Tuesday, April 27th, 2004, 01:16 PM
Being American I can tell you that white nationalism means just HATE everybody who is not like me,it makes no difference if you are white , because to these misfits, white means being only what they are.

This country was founded on hate, the seeds were planted by the first boat load of Anglos who first landed here.

Every immigrant group who came felt that hate, the Irish, the German, the Italian etc, it was like a domino effect, then these groups hated the next European group of immigrants and after 100yrs it has not changed

No their is no white unity in America, and their never will be. hmm. this hate you speak of doesent seem to have stopped anyone from the art reproduction in any direction.. :D

cruhmann
Wednesday, April 28th, 2004, 03:12 AM
The thing I enjoy about Skadi is being able to read the information on the biological, historical and morphological aspects of race provided by such learned men as Frans and Volks, who I sometimes agree with and sometimes don't. As far as the rest of the rhetoric, concerning the political and social aspects of race, i.e. superiority, beauty, purity, etc. it's just good comic relief.

Frans_Jozef
Wednesday, May 5th, 2004, 06:24 PM
Bestiality was a common form of entertainment in the Roman arena - in the words of R. E. L. Masters in "The Prostitutes In Society", mass bestiality, as public display in Rome, was "a phenomenon unique in all of history". Beasts were specially trained to copulate with women: if the girls or women were unwilling then the animal would attempt rape. A surprising range of creatures was used for such purposes - bulls, giraffes, leopards, cheetahs, wild boar, zebras, stallions, jackasses, huge dogs, apes, etc. The beasts were taught how to copulate with a human being either via the vagina or via the anus. In the modern world occasional shows are staged where an animal copulates with a woman but there has never been anything comparable to what was seen in the Roman arena.

Quoted from:
http://www.world-sex-records.com/sex-238.htm

A clear warning to every civilization that whatever advancement it makes and cultivation of human behaviour procures, its glory and destiny can get tarnished by what often by old traditional inhibitions was suppressed, the dark side just waiting to seize the right opportunity to rise up again and take full advantage of our progression, protracting the mind to invent ever more ghastly but technically ingenious forms of depravity and cruelty, at the same if not swifter pace as our urge to better ourselves....







Nordicism/Nordicentrism

Nordics have long tried to degrade or paint a false image upon the Med race, which has contributed so much to humanity. Through their jealousy, Nordics have become increasingly hostile, staying true to their barbaric ways which their ancestors exhibited all throughout their meaningless existences. I mean, Nordic ancestors were nothing more than mindless brutes, killing, raping, and pillaging anything they can get their filthy hands on. The Meds were scientists, artists, architects...how can anyone possibly refute the fact that the Meds are the greatest sub-race ever to grace the Earth?

Scoob
Wednesday, May 5th, 2004, 07:10 PM
Being American I can tell you that white nationalism means just HATE everybody who is not like me,it makes no difference if you are white , because to these misfits, white means being only what they are.

This country was founded on hate, the seeds were planted by the first boat load of Anglos who first landed here.

Every immigrant group who came felt that hate, the Irish, the German, the Italian etc, it was like a domino effect, then these groups hated the next European group of immigrants and after 100yrs it has not changed

No their is no white unity in America, and their never will be.
You assume the norm for the European immigrants was some kind of universalist humanism, where everyone loves everyone. Ever seen "The Gangs of New York" or "West Side Story"? The norm back then was tribalism. Even uniting small clans and regions into "nations" was a triumph of universalism at the time.

Stop blaming the Anglos unless you can offer up some ethnic groups who were more generous and open to swarms of foreigners.

Gil
Thursday, May 6th, 2004, 03:06 PM
Sorry to bother all those posting in this thread, but could I get some answers from Nordics / Nordicists about this:

Do Nordicists hate Southern Mediterraneans? (Italians, Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese, Southern French, etc...)

It seems like they do...

Cheers mates ;)

Allenson
Thursday, May 6th, 2004, 03:35 PM
Sorry to bother all those posting in this thread, but could I get some answers from Nordics / Nordicists about this:

Do Nordicists hate Southern Mediterraneans? (Italians, Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese, Southern French, etc...)

It seems like they do...

Cheers mates ;)


Some seem to yes. Others, myself included, do not hate Meds.

goidelicwarrior
Thursday, May 6th, 2004, 03:50 PM
Sorry to bother all those posting in this thread, but could I get some answers from Nordics / Nordicists about this:

Do Nordicists hate Southern Mediterraneans? (Italians, Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese, Southern French, etc...)

It seems like they do...

Cheers mates ;) who are the " nordicist " or indeed "medicists " I`ll tell you.. a handful of cybernörds who care nothing about Western race or civilization .. there isent anything called the a med race.. I thought that was commonly known.. :D

Louky
Thursday, May 6th, 2004, 04:36 PM
Sorry to bother all those posting in this thread, but could I get some answers from Nordics / Nordicists about this:

Do Nordicists hate Southern Mediterraneans? (Italians, Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese, Southern French, etc...)

It seems like they do...

Cheers mates ;)
No. Most of the bad blood is just retaliatory on both sides.

Prince Eugen
Thursday, May 6th, 2004, 08:04 PM
Yes ,some nordicisrs hate S.Europeans.But not all the nordics are nordicists.
And not forget some mediteranists hate N.Europeans.
Me ofcourse i hate all kinds of chauvinism!

Gil
Friday, May 7th, 2004, 08:58 AM
The thing is, sometimes (at least to me) the so-called racial analisys gets a bit....let me say this carefully, NAZI. I'm not talking of ethnic cleansing and such, i'm just saying yes, I do agree that "to each nation it's people" and that race mixing can (I emphasize CAN) bring some social problems....but i'm still to figure out if by "talking trash" they mean the other race is "inferior"...and if so what do they mean "inferior"? Like, closer to our common ape (or simian) ancestors??? Once more, sorry to step like this into this thread but this are issues i've been asking myself for some time now.
And sorry for grammatical mistakes, this is NOT my mother tongue ;)

Vestmannr
Tuesday, May 11th, 2004, 07:45 AM
Hate? No... to quote Dr. Becker, "I hate stupidity." That being said, I dont think 'Southern Mediterranean' exists. Being located on the Mediterranean does not make one a 'Mediterranean' by race, though maybe a 'Mediterranean' by location. French, most Spaniards, Portuguese, North Italians: I doubt many of these are Mediterraneans, esp. 'South Mediterraneans'. Those in the Western parts are no doubt Atlantic types, which have some similarities to true Mediterraneans (which properly belong to the East Mediterranean.) A true 'South Mediterranean' would be a Libyan, no? ;) That being said, as a self-considered Nordicist, what I 'hate' is : someone who thinks more highly of themself than they should, is hypocritical as regards nationalism (such as maintaining a minority status in a foreign country while claiming nationalist pride for their foreign ethnicity, or uses liberal methods while smearing others as liberals), or is so bogged down in their PC Victim mentality that they react with vitriol and foot stomping to anything they dont like or (more likely) dont understand.

I suppose it also begs the question of 'what kind of Nordicism'. I take it from the self-proclaimed Medicists on the forum that a Nordicist is someone who sniffs glue, and is so mean about not being 'inclusive' enough for certain folk's tastes. I think my own definition would be a little more complicated than some other Nordicists on this forum: but I dont have time or space to explain at the moment, or on this thread.

Ivan
Saturday, July 17th, 2004, 02:58 AM
South America is a result of Mediterraneans' lack of guidance.The Northern Euro colonies did no better in terms of race in South America, in fact, an argument could be made that the Northern Euro's did much worse.

Take a look at French Haiti and Guiana, Dutch Suriname and several Dutch Caribbean islands, British Jamaica, Guyana, Bermuda, Trinidad, Belize and several British Carribean Islands, and one will see that those place are almost 100% black and mulatto, many, many mulatto.

In some of those places there is not a single pure Northern Euro to be found, this is because they all mixed with the Nigs.

Remember, the Northern Euro's did bring their women to the Caribbean. Northern Euro's don't give a damn about women, past or present. One can see this play out with the race mixers of today.....primarily Nords who participate.

At least the Spanish maintained some white in the Carribean.

In the temperate Sout Amer. region, Argentina is maintaining its racial heritage much better than America, which is quickly filling with every mud imaginable to man, with an immigration policy that was implemented by the Jewish enthralled WASP's and Nordic elite.

Ivan
Saturday, July 17th, 2004, 03:00 AM
Make no mistake that the Northern Euro's also imported millions of Nigs into the United States.

Gee, thanks. :(

Ivan
Saturday, July 17th, 2004, 03:54 AM
Make no mistake that the Northern Euro's also imported millions of Nigs into the United States.

Gee, thanks. :(Let us also not forget that the Nordic-Anglo-Saxon Americans also fought a bloody brother against brother Civil war in-order to elevate the Negro to epic like status, and make the United States at large a great place where negros can sleep with white women and not face repercussions. America set the example.

Is there even another example in history where a ruling racial elite will fight a war against eachother inorder to elevate another race??

Well, I guess the icy Russians fought a 'brother against brother' war in order to elevate the Jews to supreme status.

Sick bastards.

Such is behavior of the bleachy-blood Nordic-Anglos-Saxons-Celts-Russians-Dutch.

Kill each other so another race can take control. :-O

goidelicwarrior
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 02:39 PM
Just more evidence. :) and you belive that? :D why dont you try a mensatest u ?