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Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Thursday, November 11th, 2004, 01:17 AM
That the swastika was the chosen symbol of National Socialist Germany is, to me, the most integral and significant aspect of that part of history. The representation of the cyclic nature of all things, and of the sun, is in that one symbol. You could say "as above, so below". Everything is a microcosm of the cycles in nature and from there you could say that everything is the swastika.

Its not about racism, Hitler, nations, jews, it's the swastika. And I think that in our time we will witness a rejuvenation of the National Socialist state. There are many signs, like the growing popularity of "New Age" religions, homeopathy, etc in a sense calling back to Nature. As people come back to ideas about Nature away from the ideals of technology, the modern religion of science, man and life as the microcosm of nature and its cycles will be revered.

The sun rises and the sun sets, the earth and the planets revolve around and continue on. Hitler is the most famous man in recent history, people have created new values to live by because of him, contrary to his beliefs and the beliefs of the Nazi party, and so the swastika was taken and made a symbol of evil. The problem with our times is represented by the suppression of a symbol, the denial of what it stands for.

So values and truths are just created again and again, while ignoring the fact that this one symbol and variations of it is timeless and has appeared as long as humans had the capability to express it. Why really the Nazis lost WWII is not an issue of human invented concepts, like military strategy for one example, it was just the completion of a cycle and the part of a kind of fate, perhaps a foreshadowing of the dawn of a new age.

The ideals of National Socialism rose briefly and then fell to oblivion and will be resurrected like a phenix, as the sun rotates and new ages are brought forth. The swastika will rise again, with the sun, as its four wings. And it will be no apocalypse or ragnarok or cataclysmic event of religious intensity. It will be no more a change than as fall becomes winter and as winter becomes spring. No one watches the leaves die anyway, no matter how many fall.

No tears for the death of winter or celebrations for the arrival of spring these days, unless maybe you're heathen. For the most part seasonal change is observed like a monotonous line, the cycles manifest as daily routines of peoples drab lives rather than ritual or religion. So in that way the swastika represents the end of mediocrity as well, the birth of stonger communities even. The atavistic nature of the symbol calls to reverence for ancestry and folk.

It is all and everything and the reason Hitler was a genius, or an incarnation of Wotan, or a tyrant, depending on how one looks at it. And I make no apologies for having no quotes from noteable writers of the cyclic nature of history and life to go with this.

Frans_Jozef
Sunday, January 2nd, 2005, 04:34 AM
Site aimed redeem this beautiful and enigmatic symbol, taking it from under Nazi control, bring it back to the illustrious place it deserves among other similar symbols in the long history of mankind.

http://www.intelinet.org/swastika/swascont.htm#anchor147219

norcalnative1971
Sunday, January 16th, 2005, 09:52 PM
Site aimed redeem this beautiful and enigmatic symbol, taking it from under Nazi control, bring it back to the illustrious place it deserves among other similar symbols in the long history of mankind.

http://www.intelinet.org/swastika/swascont.htm#anchor147219

The Germans (what you call "the Nazis") used the Swastika in its proper and original meaning, i.e., as a symbol of Aryan Man's role on Earth.

Only Jews, Communists, and the ignorant object to the Aryan iconography of the Swastika.

Frans_Jozef
Monday, January 17th, 2005, 11:12 AM
The Germans (what you call "the Nazis") used the Swastika in its proper and original meaning, i.e., as a symbol of Aryan Man's role on Earth.



The caption outlining the goal of that site is lifted from its introduction text and not my words or observation.

Nonetheless, the Nazis are a socio-political faction, a section of a nation, which precedes by centuries the motley operetta contrived by some arrivists who defiled great national and Germanic traditions, pillaged the ideas and themes of the Conservative Revolution and swept whole Europe in an unnecessary bloodshed and carnage.

The Swastica is in origin Paleolithic. The earliest record comes probably from Mal'ta near Lake Baikal in the shape of a bird in flight, carved from mammuth ivory and was used in shamanistic rituals.
Birds are spiritual messengers, but they do represent also the soul. The Shaman bird helps one in trance to cross boundaries and move between the worlds.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Saturday, May 21st, 2005, 06:28 AM
The Swastika is a sun-sign by all accounts. But the Swastika is black and that is an apparent inconsistancy. This seeming inconsistancy is resolved when it is realized that the Swastika, as we know it, is a short-handed version for the Black Sun symbol. The Black Sun, Schwarze Sonne, is deep with meaning on the religious as well as in the realm of physics, medicine, astrology, astronomy and cosmology. The Black Sun is a black hole, the reason for, origin of, and machine which drives our galaxy. The Nazis were the only ones to realize this and this knowledge set them apart from others and gave them distinct advantages in the understanding of the physical world. It is amazing how under-appreciated this concept is.

Frans_Jozef
Saturday, May 21st, 2005, 11:35 AM
The first record of the Swastica might come of a heap of devotional artefacts left behind by a hunting party near UP Mal'ta. Among twenty feminine statuettes and goose-like figurines depicted as if they were gliding in flight, all cut in mammoth ivory, a swastica swirling to the left was found.

It might be in origin a shamanistic symbol. Hence why it was found near the goose figurines, since birds represent the soul or bringers of a spiritual message, and the shaman himself is able to transcend the boundaries of our existence and "fly" between the realms of men and gods.

When the shaman during his sťance falls into trance he doesn't only perform magical rites, but he becomes outside himself and displays animalistic, unrestrained behaviour and get to sing. To sing like birds.
Another linguistic connoctation relies in the Germanic word galdr, meaning magic formula, which is related to galan = to song.

Noah
Saturday, May 21st, 2005, 09:15 PM
I think Swastika is not a sun-sign,but it's a polar sign.Am I wrong?

Frans_Jozef
Sunday, May 22nd, 2005, 12:41 AM
That's quite conceivable, but both symbolic content aren't necessary mutually exclusive, at least not in certain primordial tradition.

The Swastica can't act as a polar symbol, an unmutable and ruling force, if related to a sun representation unfolding in the Mediterrenean, neolithic cultures, whereby the sun is bound to die and reborn in the cycle of a year; the Mother Godess is bearer of life and the sun god alternatively returns to the womb to rise again. But in this context the sun lost its centrality, its reign is conditionally in time and lost its transcendental principle, since its lives in unrest, swayed from its axis, derobed of autarky and balance.

The sun is thereby subordinated to the earth, so is it that fire and light serve now domestic, telluric needs and themes. On the foreground come fertility and fecondity, natural forces are decapitated from transcendentalism and entangled to fullfill material goals.