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PsycholgclMishap
Tuesday, December 14th, 2004, 05:18 PM
314 Immediately after its full legalisation, the Christian Church attacks non-Christians. The Council of Ancyra denounces the worship of Goddess Artemis.

324 The emperor Constantine declares Christianity as the only official religion of the Roman Empire. In Dydima, Minor Asia, he sacks the Oracle of the god Apollo and tortures the pagan priests to death. He also evicts all non-Christian peoples from Mount Athos and destroys all the local Hellenic temples.

325 Nicene Council. The godman gets a promotion: 'Christ is Divine'

326 Constantine, following the instructions of his mother Helen, destroys the temple of the god Asclepius in Aigeai Cilicia and many temples of the goddess Aphrodite in Jerusalem, Aphaca, Mambre, Phoenicia, Baalbek, etc.

330 Constantine steals the treasures and statues of the pagan temples of Greece to decorate Constantinople, the new capital of his Empire.

335 Constantine sacks many pagan temples in Asia Minor and Palestine and orders the execution by crucifixion of “all magicians and soothsayers.” Martyrdom of the neoplatonist philosopher Sopatrus.

341 Constantius II (Flavius Julius Constantius) persecutes “all the soothsayers and the Hellenists.” Many gentile Hellenes are either imprisoned or executed.

346 New large scale persecutions against non-Christian peoples in Constantinople. Banishment of the famous orator Libanius accused as a “magician”.

353 An edict of Constantius orders the death penalty for all kind of worship through sacrifice and “idols”.

354 A new edict orders the closing of all the pagan temples. Some of them are profaned and turned into brothels or gambling rooms.

Execution of pagan priests begins.

A new edict of Constantius orders the destruction of the pagan temples and the execution of all “idolaters”.

First burning of libraries in various cities of the empire.

The first lime factories are organised next to the closed pagan temples. A major part of the holy architecture of the pagans is turned into lime.

357 Constantius outlaws all methods of divination (astrology not excluded).

359 In Skythopolis, Syria, the Christians organise the first death camps for the torture and executions of the arrested non-Christians from all around the empire.

361 to 363 Religious tolerance and restoration of the pagan cults is declared in Constantinople (11th December 361) by the pagan emperor Julian (Flavius Claudius Julianus).

363 Assassination of Julian (26th June).

364 Emperor Jovian orders the burning of the Library of Antioch.

An Imperial edict (11th September) orders the death penalty for all those that worship their ancestral gods or practice divination (“sileat omnibus perpetuo divinandi curiositas”).

Three different edicts (4th February, 9th September, 23rd December) order the confiscation of all properties of the pagan temples and the death penalty for participation in pagan rituals, even private ones.

The Church Council of Laodicea (Phrygia – western Asia Minor) orders that religious observances are to be conducted on Sunday and not on Saturday. Sunday becomes the new Sabbath. The practice of staying at home and resting on Saturday declared sinful and anathema to Christ.

365 An imperial edict from Emperor Valens, a zealous Arian Christian (17th November), forbids pagan officers of the army to command Christian soldiers.

370 Valens orders a tremendous persecution of non-Christian peoples in all the Eastern Empire. In Antioch, among many other non-Christians, the ex-governor Fidustius and the priests Hilarius and Patricius are executed. The philosopher Simonides is burned alive and the philosopher Maximus is decapitated. All the friends of Julian are persecuted (Orebasius, Sallustius, Pegasius etc.).

Tons of books are burnt in the squares of the cities of the Eastern Empire.

372 Valens orders the governor of Minor Asia to exterminate all the Hellenes and all documents of their wisdom.

373 New prohibition of all divination methods is issued. The term “pagan” (pagani, villagers, equivalent to the modern insult, “peasants”) is introduced by the Christians to demean non-believers.

375 The temple of Asclepius in Epidaurus, Greece, is closed down by the Christians.

380 On 27th February Christianity becomes the exclusive religion of the Roman Empire by an edict of the Emperor Flavius Theodosius, requiring that:

"All the various nations which are subject to our clemency and moderation should continue in the profession of that religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter."

The non-Christians are called “loathsome, heretics, stupid and blind”.

In another edict, Theodosius calls “insane” those that do not believe to the Christian God and outlaws all disagreement with the Church dogmas.

Ambrosius, bishop of Milan, begins the destruction of pagan temples of his area. The Christian priests lead the hungry mob against the temple of goddess Demeter in Eleusis and try to lynch the hierophants Nestorius and Priskus. The 95 year old hierophant Nestorius ends the Eleusinian Mysteries and announces "the predominance of mental darkness over the human race."

381 At the Council of Constantinople the 'Holy Spirit' is declared 'Divine' (thus sanctioning a triune god). On 2nd May, Theodosius deprives of all their rights any Christians who return to the pagan religion. Throughout the Eastern Empire the pagan temples and libraries are looted or burned down. On 21st December, Theodosius outlaws visits to Hellenic temples.

In Constantinople, the Temple of Aphrodite is turned into a brothel and the temples of the Sun and Artemis to stables.

382 “Hellelujah” (“Glory to Yahweh”) is imposed in the Christian mass.

384 Theodosius orders the Praetorian Prefect Maternus Cynegius, a dedicated Christian, to cooperate with local bishops and destroy the temples of the pagans in Northern Greece and Minor Asia.

385 to 388 Prefect Maternus Cynegius, encouraged by his fanatic wife, and bishop 'Saint' Marcellus with his gangs, scour the countryside and sack and destroy hundreds of Hellenic temples, shrines and altars. Among others they destroy the temple of Edessa, the Cabeireion of Imbros, the temple of Zeus in Apamea, the temple of Apollo in Dydima and all the temples of Palmyra.

Thousands of innocent pagans from all sides of the empire suffer martyrdom in the notorious death camps of Skythopolis.

386 Theodosius outlaws the care of the sacked pagan temples.

388 Public talks on religious subjects are outlawed by Theodosius. The old orator Libanius sends his famous epistle “Pro Templis” to Theodosius with the hope that the few remaining Hellenic temples will be respected and spared.

389 to 390 All non-Christian calendars and dating-methods are outlawed. Hordes of fanatic hermits from the desert flood the cities of the Middle East and Egypt and destroy statues, altars, libraries and pagan temples, and lynch the pagans. Theophilus, Patriarch of Alexandria, starts heavy persecutions against non-Christian peoples, turning the temple of Dionysius into a Christian church, burning down the Mithraeum of the city, destroying the temple of Zeus and burlesques the pagan priests before they are killed by stoning. The Christian mob profanes the cult images.

391 On 24th February, a new edict of Theodosius prohibits not only visits to pagan temples but also looking at the vandalised statues. New heavy persecutions occur all around the empire. In Alexandria, Egypt, pagans, led by the philosopher Olympius, revolt and after some street fights they lock themselves inside the fortified temple of the god Serapis (the Serapeion). After a violent siege, the Christians take over the building, demolish it, burn its famous library and profane the cult images.

392 On 8th November, Theodosius outlaws all the non-Christian rituals and names them “superstitions of the gentiles” (gentilicia superstitio). New full scale persecutions are ordered against pagans. The Mysteries of Samothrace are ended and the priests slaughtered. In Cyprus the local bishop “Saint” Epiphanius and “Saint” Tychon destroy almost all the temples of the island and exterminate thousands of non-Christians. The local Mysteries of goddess Aphrodite are ended. Theodosius’s edict declares:

“the ones that won’t obey pater Epiphanius have no right to keep living in that island.”

The pagans revolt against the Emperor and the Church in Petra, Aeropolis, Rafia, Gaza, Baalbek and other cities of the Middle East.

393 The Pythian Games, the Aktia Games and the Olympic Games are outlawed as part of the Hellenic “idolatry”. The Christians sack the temples of Olympia.

395 Two new edicts (22nd July and 7th August) cause new persecutions against pagans. Rufinus, the eunuch Prime Minister of Emperor Flavius Arcadius directs the hordes of baptised Goths (led by Alaric) to the country of the Hellenes. Encouraged by Christian monks the barbarians sack and burn many cities (Dion, Delphi, Megara, Corinth, Pheneos, Argos, Nemea, Lycosoura, Sparta, Messene, Phigaleia, Olympia, etc.), slaughter or enslave innumerable gentile Hellenes and burn down all the temples. Among others, they burn down the Eleusinian Sanctuary and burn alive all its priests (including the hierophant of Mithras Hilarius).

396 On 7th December, a new edict by Arcadius orders that paganism be treated as high treason. Imprisonment of the few remaining pagan priests and hierophants.

397 “Demolish them!” Flavius Arcadius orders that all the still standing pagan temples be demolished.

398 The 4th Church Council of Carthage prohibits everybody, including Christian bishops, from studying pagan books. Porphyrius, bishop of Gaza, demolishes almost all the pagan temples of his city (except nine of them that remain active).

399 With a new edict (13th July) Flavius Arcadius orders all remaining pagan temples, mainly in the countryside, be immediately demolished.

400 Bishop Nicetas destroys the Oracle of Dionysus in Vesai and baptises all the non-Christians of this area.

401 The Christian mob of Carthage lynches non-Christians and destroys temples and “idols”. In Gaza too, the local bishop “Saint” Porphyrius sends his followers to lynch pagans and to demolish the remaining nine still active temples of the city.

The 15th Council of Chalcedon orders all the Christians that still keep good relations with their non-Christian relatives to be excommunicated (even after their death).

405 John Chrysostom sends hordes of grey-dressed monks armed with clubs and iron bars to destroy the “idols” in all the cities of Palestine.

406 John Chrysostom collects funds from rich Christian women to financially support the demolition of the Hellenic temples. In Ephesus he orders the destruction of the famous temple of Artemis. In Salamis, Cyprus, “Saints” Epiphanius and Eutychius continue the persecutions of the pagans and the total destruction of their temples and sanctuaries.

407 A new edict outlaws once more all the non-Christian acts of worship.

408 The emperor of the Western Empire, Honorius, and the emperor of the Eastern Empire, Arcadius, order all the sculptures of the pagan temples to be either destroyed or to be taken away. Private ownership of pagan sculpture is also outlawed. The local bishops lead new heavy persecutions against the pagans and new book burning. The judges that have pity for the pagans are also persecuted. “Saint” Augustine massacres hundreds of protesting pagans in Calama, Algeria.

409 Another edict orders all methods of divination including astrology to be punished by death.

415 In Alexandria, the Christian mob, urged by the bishop Cyril, attacks a few days before the Judeo-Christian Pascha (Easter) and cuts to pieces the famous and beautiful philosopher Hypatia. The pieces of her body, carried around by the Christian mob through the streets of Alexandria, are finally burned together with her books in a place called Cynaron.

On 30th August, new persecutions start against all the pagan priests of North Africa who end their lives either crucified or burned alive. Emperor Theodosius II expels the Jews from Alexandria.

416 The inquisitor Hypatius, alias “The Sword of God”, exterminates the last pagans of Bithynia. In Constantinople (7th December) all non-Christian army officers, public employees and judges are dismissed.

423 Emperor Theodosius II declares (8th June) that the religion of the pagans is nothing more than “demon worship” and orders all those who persist in practicing it to be punished by imprisonment and torture.

429 The temple of goddess Athena (Parthenon) on the Acropolis of Athens is sacked. The Athenian pagans are persecuted.

431 Council of Ephesus ("Robber Synod"). Promotion for the godman – "Christ is complete God and complete man."

435 On 14th November, a new edict by Theodosius II orders the death penalty for all “heretics” and pagans of the empire. Only Judaism is considered a legal non-Christian religion.

438 Theodosius II issues an new edict (31st January) against the pagans, incriminating their “idolatry” as the reason of a recent plague!

440 to 450 The Christians demolish all the monuments, altars and temples of Athens, Olympia, and other Greek cities.
book burning
448 Theodosius II orders all non-Christian books to be burned.

450 All the temples of Aphrodisias (the City of the Goddess Aphrodite) are demolished and all its libraries burned down. The city is renamed Stavroupolis (City of the Cross).

451 Council of Chalcedon. New edict by Theodosius II (4th November) emphasises that “idolatry” is punished by death. Assertion of orthodox doctrine over the 'Monophysites' – 'JC has single, divine nature.'

457 to 491 Sporadic persecutions against the pagans of the Eastern Empire. Among others, the physician Jacobus and the philosopher Gessius are executed. Severianus, Herestios, Zosimus, Isidorus and others are tortured and imprisoned. The proselytiser Conon and his followers exterminate the last non-Christians of Imbros Island, Northeast Aegean Sea. The last worshippers of Lavranius Zeus are exterminated in Cyprus.

482 to 488 The majority of the pagans of Minor Asia are exterminated after a desperate revolt against the emperor and the Church.

486 More “underground” pagan priests are discovered, arrested, burlesqued, tortured and executed in Alexandria, Egypt.
full body baptism 515 Baptism becomes obligatory even for those that already say they are Christians.

The emperor of Constantinople, Anastasius, orders the massacre of the pagans in the Arabian city Zoara and the demolition of the temple of local god Theandrites.

523 Emperor Justin I outlaws the Arian heresy and campaigns to suppress Arianism everywhere.

528 Emperor Justinian outlaws the “alternative” Olympian Games of Antioch. He also orders the execution—by fire, crucifixion, tearing to pieces by wild beasts or cutting to pieces by iron nails—of all who practice “sorcery, divination, magic or idolatry” and prohibits all teachings by the pagans (“the ones suffering from the blasphemous insanity of the Hellenes”).

529 Justinian outlaws the Athenian Philosophical Academy and has its property confiscated.

532 The inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus, a fanatical monk, leads a crusade against the pagans of Minor Asia.

542 Justinian allows the inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus to forcibly convert the pagans of Phrygia, Caria and Lydia in Asia Minor. Within 35 years of this crusade, 99 churches and 12 monasteries are built on the sites of demolished pagan temples.

546 Hundreds of pagans are put to death in Constantinople by the inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus.

556 Justinian orders the notorious inquisitor Amantius to go to Antioch, to find, arrest, torture and exterminate the last non-Christians of the city and burn all the private libraries down.

562 Mass arrests, burlesquing, tortures, imprisonments and executions of gentile Hellenes in Athens, Antioch, Palmyra and Constantinople.

578 to 582 The Christians torture and crucify Hellenes all around the Eastern Empire, and exterminate the last non-Christians of Heliopolis (Baalbek).

580 The Christian inquisitors attack a secret temple of Zeus in Antioch. The priest commits suicide, but the rest of the pagans are arrested. All the prisoners, the Vice Governor Anatolius included, are tortured and sent to Constantinople to face trial. Sentenced to death they are thrown to the lions. The wild animals being unwilling to tear them to pieces, they end up crucified. Their dead bodies are dragged in the streets by the Christian mob and afterwards thrown unburied in the dump.

583 New persecutions against the gentile Hellenes by Emperor Maurice.

590 In all the Eastern Empire the Christian accusers “discover” pagan conspiracies. New storm of torture and executions.



Original Source: Vlasis Rassias, Demolish Them! … Published in Greek, Athens 1994

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Food For Thought:

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
-George Santayana, 1863–1953, American philosopher

"Study the past if you would divine the future."
-Confucius, Chinese philosopher, 500's B.C.

"The only thing new in this world is the history you don't know."
-Harry S. Truman, American President

Allenson
Wednesday, December 15th, 2004, 08:47 PM
I wonder what Perun/Taras Bulba would have to say about all this? ;) Some here will know who I'm referring to here, LOL...

Ewergrin
Thursday, December 16th, 2004, 08:24 PM
I wonder what Perun/Taras Bulba would have to say about all this? ;) Some here will know who I'm referring to here, LOL...

One of the most annoying online personalities I have ever stumbled across, yes.

PsycholgclMishap
Thursday, December 16th, 2004, 08:34 PM
Haha. I figured Perun/Taras Bulbas was an online personality but I wasn't sure. I was going to say I thought Perun was some sort of God.

Milesian
Friday, December 17th, 2004, 10:33 AM
Evil Politically Incorrect Christianity. If only it was more tolerant ;)

Loki
Saturday, January 1st, 2005, 06:08 PM
Good resource, thanks!

I will repost this at The Nordish Portal if the author doesn't mind.

SouthernBoy
Saturday, January 1st, 2005, 06:13 PM
Christianity has been destroying European religons since it was created.

Stig NHF
Saturday, January 1st, 2005, 08:23 PM
So much rich purely European culture,rites and temples of all kinds destroyed for some quasi-jewish desertgod. Its such a waste! :(

Rahul
Tuesday, January 4th, 2005, 02:26 PM
Perun was the Baltic Thunder God(As Perkuna) whom Esths Worshipped as Something like "The Great Picker". Finns worshipped Thunder as Perkele.

The Goths had Mascular Fyeorgynn.

The Vedic God Parjanya(Par Janya or born across the mountains where the seat of Thunder God was) may or may not be related to Perun.

It appears that Russians use Perun as a general word for God.

Oskorei
Thursday, January 13th, 2005, 04:57 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the Finnish today use Perkele to mean Hell. They say it a lot when they get upset at least ;)

Erlingr Hárbarðarson
Sunday, February 6th, 2005, 02:47 PM
So much rich purely European culture,rites and temples of all kinds destroyed for some quasi-jewish desertgod. Its such a waste! :( Yes, this is a waste, but it also has gathered those who are strong from those who were dis-loyal to the native ways of bloodsoil. I would rather die one day in defiance with fifty kinsmen than live a thousand years amoungest four million christen slaves. Those not ahinde Óðinn at Vígríð shall never last longer than those who were. Our own childs will live to see the christen empire forgotten to ash. Judeo-christen reign has lingered enough before heathen eyes. Óðinn kisses not 'holy' crosses with snowfall, but with firefall...to ash they fall as to the northsky we rise.

Draugr
Friday, April 1st, 2005, 11:39 AM
I am no one's slave. And good riddence to Aphrodite, the goddess of adulters and cupidity, good riddence to Bachuus the unseemly god from the east, good riddence to supposed Greek mysterie cults of eastern loins sprung. Good ridence to Greek philosophers who posioned the youth, good ridence to their philosophy that weakend societies.

In there was only one god and he was called Imperator and princeps, have your little cults but remember who your butt belongs to, Caesar!

VENI VIDI VICI!

Loki
Friday, April 1st, 2005, 11:44 AM
.... but remember who your butt belongs to, Caesar!

Yahweh? :laugh:

Draugr
Friday, April 1st, 2005, 11:49 AM
Yahweh? :laugh:

No the man with the biggest sword, bigger army, and money extracted from lesser peoples. Soon I will release my brother Titians from their chains in Tartarus, and we will storm the Halls of the Olympiaed, and free Atlas from his burden, no more will puny man be blessed, might makes right! Ave Ceasar, Ave Roma Aeterna, Ave Morte Victor Ominae. Ominum Consensus capax imperii nisi imperasset.

jcs
Friday, April 1st, 2005, 06:33 PM
Good ridence to Greek philosophers who posioned the youth, good ridence to their philosophy that weakend societies. Good riddance to the philosophers whose philosophy was adopted by Christians via Aquinas millenia later? ...ok...

Draugr
Saturday, April 2nd, 2005, 04:10 AM
Good riddance to the philosophers whose philosophy was adopted by Christians via Aquinas millenia later? ...ok...

Philosophy is for those who cannot contemplate Kaos, the first being and the last. Only weak societies must explain their world in terms that confort them, alas remember what happend to the great empires after the philosophers poisioned thier people, strong warriors rose in with the true religion of the Titans and crushed the little worms, only might make right in the cosmos.

Ave Night, Ave Atlas, Ave Eros, Ave Uranus, Ave Saturnus, Ave Ixion, Avete the Titans.

Loki
Saturday, April 2nd, 2005, 09:32 AM
Draugr, what is your first language? You seem to have difficulty with English spelling. :)

Draugr
Saturday, April 2nd, 2005, 11:20 AM
Draugr, what is your first language? You seem to have difficulty with English spelling. :)

English, I am dislexic. Besides langauge used to be phonetically spelt, the Roman alphabet is not suited to most languages that use it, especially considering it is adop[ted from the older Eutruscan alphabet.

Loki
Saturday, April 2nd, 2005, 11:27 AM
English, I am dislexic.
You mean dyslexic. Ok, I understand.

Draugr
Saturday, April 2nd, 2005, 11:31 AM
You mean dyslexic. Ok, I understand.

Too many blows to the head. But back to the point, alot of the cults destroyed by the Church in the eastern empire were weird imports (from the east and Eygpt), your average red blooded Roman or Greek would have looked askance at them.

Todesritter
Saturday, April 2nd, 2005, 11:39 AM
English, I am dislexic. Besides langauge used to be phonetically spelt, the Roman alphabet is not suited to most languages that use it, especially considering it is adop[ted from the older Eutruscan alphabet.
Actually, I study a lot about the interplay between the evolution of culture, language, and written culture and interesting enough – I have read some compelling articles describing that spelling is hopelessly insane in English, as a legacy of early spelling traditions with Roman Alphabet (evolved for Latin) imported to the Saxon (Germanic) courts as they christianized by the best and most literate scribes available, Irish (Celtic) missionaries and priests.

I am studying a Celtic language currently for fun, but they are particularly atrocious with regard to how they spell their own words, so I can just imagine Irish priests who spoke Old-Irish and Latin enthusiastically taking a Germanic language, which might otherwise have been best expressed optimally with Runic Alphabet, and transcribing words in a Roman Alphabet through the lens of Irish spelling methods and Latin and Old-Irish literary understanding, and the early English spelling conventions really getting mangled. Also, the articles mentioned that other non-Irish, pockets of Celts in Britain, contributed words to the early lexicon as they were originally written for Celtic speakers.

In short, if you want, the Saxons allowing the Irish and Christian concerns to guide their early decisions in establishing written culture are to blame for why you and many others have a hard time with English spelling; it is a crazy mess.

Draugr
Saturday, April 2nd, 2005, 11:47 AM
In short, if you want, the Saxons allowing the Irish and Christian concerns to guide their early decisions in establishing written culture are to blame for why you and many others have a hard time with English spelling; it is an crazy mess.

I once attended an Irish Break held by the head of the ligustics university (yeah my school's cool that way, it is one of the few in the nation that has the balls to have a class on Germanic myths, legends, and sagas), and the way Gaelic is spelt is far from how it's pronounced.

Still it is easier to spell in english rather than Attic Greek.

Vanir
Saturday, April 2nd, 2005, 03:10 PM
395 Two new edicts (22nd July and 7th August) cause new persecutions against pagans. Rufinus, the eunuch Prime Minister of Emperor Flavius Arcadius directs the hordes of baptised Goths (led by Alaric) to the country of the Hellenes. Encouraged by Christian monks the barbarians sack and burn many cities (Dion, Delphi, Megara, Corinth, Pheneos, Argos, Nemea, Lycosoura, Sparta, Messene, Phigaleia, Olympia, etc.), slaughter or enslave innumerable gentile Hellenes and burn down all the temples. Among others, they burn down the Eleusinian Sanctuary and burn alive all its priests (including the hierophant of Mithras Hilarius).

They should have ploughed the Earth with Salt while they were at it.

Skjoldar
Sunday, April 3rd, 2005, 01:33 PM
When did nero live?
Everybody fights with everyone.
Every nation has had its turn to try take over the world.
It is human nature to take the slightest hint of a motivation and rape, burn, plunder and murder in the name of.
The vikings had their fair share
the romans had
mongols, chinese, americans, germans, greeks, turks, germany, england, dutch, french, everyone.
Lots of blood have been spilled over the slightest difference in religion or even beliefs.
The islam belief is the most violent AFAICS, so why not take them on as well?

Ælfhere
Monday, September 25th, 2006, 06:21 PM
Great article showing 300 years of Christian stupidity! Thanks for posting this PsycholgclMishap if you are still here. Its amazing what you can find digging around in BuB's attic.

Gorm the Old
Tuesday, September 26th, 2006, 01:56 AM
If I believed in such a thing, I would attribute contemporary Muslim outrages to divine retribution. Is there a religion without blood on its hands ? The one which comes closest to this ideal would seem to be Buddhism.

Tibetan Buddhism, an aberrant offshot of orthodox Buddhism, is admittedly militaristic, but even in that case, the monks fight among themselves (red hat monks vs yellow hat monks) and not against adherents of other religions.

If I were a Christian, I would be embarrassed, indeed, ashamed, to rail against Muslim intolerance. How hypocritical that is, given the bloody history of Christian intolerance. These parvenu Middle Eastern religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, have brought woe upon the world repeatedly on behalf of a jealous, wrathful, exclusive god.

Aedan
Thursday, June 30th, 2011, 08:33 PM
@Skjoldar

Just like those of your desert faith, you refuse to take responsibility for the atrocities of your religion.

Yes, blood has tainted most religious symbols. Yet, your people were the one's who did it with impunity because it was state sponsored.

Not much better than the Jews of today killing palestinian babies and women calling it justice.

Thorwald
Sunday, July 3rd, 2011, 12:22 PM
Yes, the Christian faith robbed us of our native folkways and we should never forget.

But that was a long time ago. We've been though an Enlightenment and an Industrial revolution since then. Christianity is not the Medieval monster anymore. The Church might terrorize its own altar boys, but it doesn't kill infidels anymore.

Like it or not, we are allies now against Islam, a monotheistic faith whose societies never were tempered by intellectual and scientific advances.

Personally I think we'd do well to be diplomatic to mainstream Protestants of Germanic heritage - like Lutherans. A few of the "Sunday Christians" among them might even be persuaded to rejoin us in the folkway.

Goomer
Sunday, July 3rd, 2011, 12:26 PM
I do appreciate the fact that in the past ten years or so, I have noticed a bit of a pagan revival of sorts. This is GREAT. Earth-based religions are so fascinating overall. Christianity has really done a number on the US especially.....with our Puritanical history.

Neophyte
Sunday, July 3rd, 2011, 06:55 PM
Yes, the Christian faith robbed us of our native folkways and we should never forget.

But that was a long time ago. We've been though an Enlightenment and an Industrial revolution since then. Christianity is not the Medieval monster anymore. The Church might terrorize its own altar boys, but it doesn't kill infidels anymore.

Like it or not, we are allies now against Islam, a monotheistic faith whose societies never were tempered by intellectual and scientific advances.

Personally I think we'd do well to be diplomatic to mainstream Protestants of Germanic heritage - like Lutherans. A few of the "Sunday Christians" among them might even be persuaded to rejoin us in the folkway.

The problem is Christianity, not individual Christians.

Thorwald
Sunday, July 3rd, 2011, 08:34 PM
The problem is Christianity, not individual Christians.

Very true. If only we could wean the best of them off from the YHWH cult and have them augment our own ranks ...

Uberman
Sunday, July 3rd, 2011, 09:16 PM
Aren't we supposed to believe that the Christians "us"? And that the people they killed were "the other guys"?

After all Jesus was tall and blonde. He must have been one of us.

(I'm being sarcastic, if it's not evident)

I agree with Thorwald that for now we will have to accept that there are so many Christians among us, and try to convince them to join us in the fight against our greatest threat right now, which is Islam. The Christians have become much less hostile over the centuries, and now are too pacifistic to defend themselves even against Islam.

Hersir
Sunday, July 3rd, 2011, 09:32 PM
Hm, robbed us of our folkish ways? Not here in Scandinavia. Maybe it's more true for Americans that your ancestors left behind most of their European ways

velvet
Sunday, July 3rd, 2011, 09:49 PM
I agree with Thorwald that for now we will have to accept that there are so many Christians among us, and try to convince them to join us in the fight against our greatest threat right now, which is Islam. The Christians have become much less hostile over the centuries, and now are too pacifistic to defend themselves even against Islam.

Wrong, our greatest threat are foreign people invading our lands.

This is where christianity errs. Christians have no trouble with Negroid christians immigrating. To limit this to religion imho is wrong. And to believe that christianity would be of any use in combatting immigration is a mistake too. It wont. "As it is imperative to the christian to welcome the stranger" (see the Large Crowds Protest.. thread). That's why we have Synagoges and Central Council of Jews spread all over the place, btw, who have taken over our lands a long time ago, given for free by good christians. Many mosques have been churches. Christianity has been on the forefront to sell out our lands to foreigners, always have been, and will continue to do so.

Elessar
Sunday, July 3rd, 2011, 10:10 PM
So Neopagans are going to be our own Jews and use this complain over ancient atrocities and justification for their religion huh?
History is violent. Face it, terrible shit has been happening and will happen so long as there are humans on this Earth. Stronger forces triumph over others, whether they deserve to or not.
The problem isn't Pagans or Christians, it's fundamental human nature, Germanics aren't excluded from this feature either.


Christianity has been on the forefront to sell out our lands to foreigners, always have been, and will continue to do so.
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....:lol yeah, right
Christianity has done only to save Europe from foreign invasion since the Enlightenment and Modernity. Now Christians are content with being Zionist lapdogs and multikulti fanatics, all thanks to the gift of Democracy and separation of Church and State.

When you get down to it, the conflict hasn't been between Christianity and Paganism/Islam, but a conflict between Rome and the Barbarian, i.e. Civilization and Savagery. It's pretty humbling to realize you only exist because some evil genocidal Christian Crusaders stopped Muhammad from ravaging your lands. So, yes, you're partially correct in that Christianity will continue to sell out Europe so long as they're disconnected from their past (in the case of propagating a self-loathing history) and have a corrupt illegitimate Pope on the Vatican throne.

Thorwald
Sunday, July 3rd, 2011, 10:42 PM
Hm, robbed us of our folkish ways? Not here in Scandinavia. Maybe it's more true for Americans that your ancestors left behind most of their European ways

Ok, so this is getting off topic, and someone may have to move this to another thread, but ...

German-Americans had a proud history and folk culture in this country for 200 years. Then during World War I, anti-German hysteria from the Anglo camp changed all that. It became illegal to speak German in public, to teach German in school, to say anything nice about Germany. German-Americans were harassed and some were lynched. Anti German hysteria from another world war only compounded the issue.

More than one ethnicity over here in America found it hard to maintain their folkway in face of the Anglo "melting pot."

Edie
Sunday, July 3rd, 2011, 10:45 PM
European greatness has everything to do with our race, and NOTHING to do with religion. The more advanced a society is, the less religious people are.

Indeed. In the past Christianity merely gave shape to our innate abilities -- and an ugly shape it was too. Whatever arguments people in this thread can make for the religion's role in protecting our people, in staving off the foreign hordes, the fact remains that today it has a prime role in inviting them in.

And that is reason enough to say goodbye the Middle Eastern silliness once and for all.

Uberman
Monday, July 4th, 2011, 01:48 PM
It's great to live among Christians because they love their neighbors. But they make terrible patriots because they also love their enemies!

The reason they fought so hard to defend Europe during the Crusades is because few Cristians had ever read the Bible or could understand Mass in those days, as everything was in Latin. They didn't know that Jesus's was such a pacifist. When their priest told them that God wanted them to fight, they believed it. But now that they know what Jesus believed, they won't fight for anything. They will give away all of our wealth to the invaders, since this is what Jesus would have us do. They always put their own peolpe last. Now most Christians think we were wrong to have fought in the Crusades.

velvet
Monday, July 4th, 2011, 02:15 PM
Christianity has done only to save Europe from foreign invasion since the Enlightenment and Modernity. Now Christians are content with being Zionist lapdogs and multikulti fanatics, all thanks to the gift of Democracy and separation of Church and State.

The Enlightenment was essentially an anti-christian movement, reviving the old ways. Christianity swallowed up a lot of that, otherwise this desease had been rotted out a long time ago.

The separation between church and state is the best thing since it was introduced, and it was about time to get this done. The next necessary step is to remove the retarded notion of the "judeo-christian occident" from the political landscape altogether, for that common sense can return to us.

Christianity "defended" Jerusalem from the Muslims, who were btw back then by far better developed socially, culturally and scientifically than Europe. And that the Muslim hordes fell into Europe can be well regarded to the invasion that you proudly call the crusades, meddling with THEIR territory. Now, you dont want to tell me that Jerusalem is Europe, right? That would be ridiculous, even for you.

The oh so great battle of Vienna, while "won" by the (accidentially christian) Vienna population (with a lot of luck from weather conditions that spoiled some plans, just some days longer until the winter cold and thunderstorm weather, and Vienna would have been lost, however), saw large streams of peasants (several 10000s) settling over - voluntary - into the Ottoman empire, FLEEING the catastrophic christian social conditions.

And it is entirely folly, in fact foolish, to attribute the "will to defend Vienna" to christianity. Every invaded society MUST defend itself, otherwise it is either killed or enslaved. It is common sense, nothing more.

Christianity isnt a "zionist lapdog", it is a zionist outlet for confused gentiles who then scream in exitement for jesus their savior, for the jew their savior, who are made to believe that culture comes from the middle east, that humanitarism comes from the middle east, that civilisation comes from the middle east, blindly hailed as the "judeo-christian occident". Christianity confused people so much that they even believe to be descendents from Adam and Eve, they happily ignore that they are the gentiles (=non-jews) that the bible wants to see rotted out and wiped off from the face of the earth, like mentally damaged hostages with a Stockholm syndrome they look to those to 'safe' them who pushed them over the abyss in the first place.


And it really doesnt matter what "christians" allegedly did heroically in history - by virtue of ignoring christian teaching. It is cultural marxism to think one could adopt (or force upon) any religion on any people, disregarding racial and cultural and historical differencies. The act itself is wrong, and not a million years of having this wrong in place of a right will or can ever change that.

Spirituality is an aspect of race, as culture is an aspect of race. It is not replaceable or exchangeable. The damage that the ignorance of this truth has brought is clearly visible for all who open their eyes. It is time to correct this wrong.

Ocko
Monday, July 4th, 2011, 02:25 PM
Christians would defend Christians against their own racial brothers. They have done so many times and that devastated Germany in the 1600's. About 30 % of the population in Germany survived that onslaught of Christian Power-politics. They brought in numerous foreigners to Germany to destroy it.

christians know no border, even today they fight for open borders so racial others can invade the country (for ex. the US, but not only there also in Germany).

Christian doctrine follows the suicide of Jesus. it is not a warrior religion it is a religion of quitters and submissives. That is what Jesus teaches. (or to be clear, what churches made out of the scribbling of Jews for Gentiles. christianity is not a religion but a psy-op in mind-control to kill of Gentiles)

_ada_
Monday, July 4th, 2011, 03:29 PM
Jews will heavily applause for this thread.
Hypocrites!
As if any group of man on earth existed without atrocities.
And if a so called christian establishment now or almost thousand
years ago killed and persecuted others they are and were off the track and
went terribly wrong!
You think you have a better choice for your afterlife than Jesus Christ from whom you say he is one of your most hated group the jews?
You are just wrong in both ways.First Jesus was not a jew but God himself.
Read John vers 1
http://www.wort-und-wissen.de/bibel/bibel.php?b=43c=38&vr=kjv
and for your ego read this.
Job 33:
http://www.wort-und-wissen.de/bibel/bibel.php?b=18&c=38&vr=kjv
and Proverns 8:36
But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul:
all they that hate me love death.

Uberman
Monday, July 4th, 2011, 06:59 PM
Christianity "defended" Jerusalem from the Muslims, who were btw back then by far better developed socially, culturally and scientifically than Europe. And that the Muslim hordes fell into Europe can be well regarded to the invasion that you proudly call the crusades, meddling with THEIR territory. Now, you dont want to tell me that Jerusalem is Europe, right? That would be ridiculous, even for you.

This is why I am absolutely opposed to government run schools. Unfortunately, even so many members of this forum are brainwashed into thinking we were the bad guys during the crusades, and that WE were the attackers. We are made to believe that we were socially, culturally, and scientifically less developed than the Muslims. This simply is not true.
Most of the advancements that are said to have come from Muslim countries, came from non-muslims (Christians, Jews, and Pagans). Islam spread very quickly after Mohammed's death, but it took hundreds of years for their conquered lands to really convert to Islam. The muslim overlords would live as minorities in the lands they ruled.

One would have to have had a very biased, censored education to believe that we were the attackers in the Crusades. You would have to believe that the fighting actually started after Pope Urban gave his speach in Claremont in 1025. In actuality the Muslims had been on a constant offensive for 400 years before the Europeans finally decided to put up a defence. By 1025, the Muslims had already conquered all of the Middle East, and the old Persian empire, all of North Africa, all of the islands of the Mediterranian, Spain, Part of France, Southern Italy, They had incurred far into Eastern Europe, and were currently besieging Constantinople (The back door to Europe). Though they had already lost Spain by the time of the Crusades.
Though they had not yet attacked any Germanic territory, we feared for our way of life.
When we say that the Crusades started in 1025, it's like saying World War II started with the Allied invasion of Normandy, and completely ignore the war that had been raging long before.

Do you REALLY believe that we fought in the crusades for the liberation of the Jews in Jeruselem (We actually sacked Jerusalem and conquered it for ourselves). If you really believe that, you were a good little student and didn't read Pope Urban's speach, as you're not supposed to do. For if you had, you would know that one of the reasons we incurred so far into Muslim territory was for the protection of European pilgrams to the "Holy Land" from the savage attacks of the Muslims.
You would also know that the Muslims brutally tortured their victims. We're supposed to believe that we were at least as brutal as the Muslims. But that's simply not true. We had a sense of mercy. We would generally leave the innocents alone (though you could find exceptions during the Crusades, we generally treated the muslims that we conquered well, and even interbread with them).
The Muslims on the other hand would kill everybody in the towns that they conquered men, women, and children. And they would badly abuse and discriminate against those that they allowed to live.

We should always be suspicious of our schools when they try to teach us that our ancestors were evil in an effort to turn us against them, and renounce our own people and cultures.

Neophyte
Monday, July 4th, 2011, 07:26 PM
Jews will heavily applause for this thread.
Hypocrites!

Yes, and Hitler was a African Jew in the employ of Rothschild and the other Jewish bankers.


As if any group of man on earth existed without atrocities.

Of course not, and I have no problem with atrocities. It all depends on who's on the receiving end. What I have a problem with is an ideology that turns our people against itself, as in the 30-years war; or the Albigensian crusade. And so on.

And you need to get over that fiction that the bible somehow is the actual word of God. It is not.

Ocko
Monday, July 4th, 2011, 07:45 PM
@ Ada

The bible was written by priest with an interest in power-politics and oppression of ordinary folk. It is written in a way to deceive people. Once you see through it then you get the lies out of you and return to the pristine myth and teaching of our ancestors who had no interest in deceiving the people for selfserving interests. My heathen ancestors had the best of the people and the best of the Gods in mind. That is very different than the monotheist deception and corruption. (after christianity got rid of the Gods and tried to destroy science, scientists did the same as the priest, get rid of the now one and only God and declare everything comes from matter).

Once you clear your mind from the christian corruption and manipulation you become a free human being. Living without the fear and guilt and whatnot they instill in people to control them.

I am a free friesian and nothing can bring me back to grovel before an idol and imagination, basical a demon representing nature, of the christian faith. That demon is my enemy, something I have to overcome to be a free and enlightened being, one to become an equal member to my Gods, to join the clan of beings who are really great and enlightened.

velvet
Monday, July 4th, 2011, 09:58 PM
For if you had, you would know that one of the reasons we incurred so far into Muslim territory was for the protection of European pilgrams to the "Holy Land" from the savage attacks of the Muslims.

That is indeed the problem. We are Germanics, the socalled "holy land" has nothing to do with us. Our holy sites were in the lands that Tacitus called Germania, the Irminsul, the holy woods, the great Thing places, the lakes in which gods bathed and what have you.

Jerusalem on the other hand was none of our holy sites, Jerusalem has nothing to do with our way of life, with our gods or our religion, it is not even remotely near to our lands. It has nothing to do with us as a people. It was not our business either to "secure" access for christians or jews, against muslims who have just as much a "right" to the Temple Mountain as the jews or christians have, which just once more reinforces that all three are but sects of the same thing.

We dont have use for either of it though.

Pyramidologist
Monday, July 4th, 2011, 10:41 PM
Our origins lay outside of Europe as the Paleolithic continuity theory now virtually has no scientific support. The Aryan (Indo-European) homeland was outside Europe (e.g. Anatolia) or on the borders of Europe (e.g. around the Black Sea). Thor Heyerdahl traced Norse origins to Azerbaijan, while Tacitus' Mannus (the mythical progenitor of the Germanic tribes) can be found in ancient Indian texts as Manu. It is also a well known fact that Indo-Germanic and Norse mythology has its origins from outside Europe.

The idea Germanics are not linked to the middle-east, or even further east is completely incorrect. Therefore to criticise the Bible and promote this silly idea the Germanics only lived in Germany is fallacious.

Where do you think the Germanics sprung from? An ex nihilo creation directly in Germany? Of course not. They migrated there.

Ocko
Tuesday, July 5th, 2011, 12:48 AM
So that means Germanics come out of Jerusalem?

The holy land is a metaphor and as such not even a germanic one.

Jerusalem is hebrew: Eretz Shalom the state of peace.

The dumb christians believed that the city of Jerusalem is holy, not the concept of a state of peace.

Pyramidologist
Tuesday, July 5th, 2011, 01:40 AM
I'm saying that there was a presence of Germanics or related Indo-Europeans there in ancient times, but not that they migrated from there originally. Indo-Europeans moved into the middle-east from the Black Sea region as early as c.5000 BC.

Note that the Old Testament asserts that the natives of the entire region of the Levant were not Semites (but instead considers them to have sprung from Ham). The Semites only invaded Mesopotamia from a far later period. So contrary to the modern misundstanding. the Bible is not Jewish or ''alien to Germanics'' as it deals with the history of pre-Semite Indo-Europeans such as the Sumerians (though some still debate their ethnicity). The Semites merely copied and borrowed much of the early history of the Sumerians (and later Babylonians down). According to the assyriologist P. J Wiseman and his 'tablet theory', the entire book of Genesis was in fact written from as early as the 4th millenium BC in Mesopotamian cuneiform script, not Hebrew.

velvet
Tuesday, July 5th, 2011, 01:04 PM
The Sumerians was a very small group of people, who were first absorbed by Babylonians and later completely replaced by Shemite people. By the time the Jews rewrote their history to the version we also find in the old testament (been kicked out of Egypt etc), there have been no more (P)IE people in the middle east. Yes, they stole the culture that was left there in remnants, but by the time Joshua was allegedly born, the (P)IE people havent lived there for more than 2000 years already anymore, 2000 years of twisting, misinterpreting, forging, and even killing the original gods of the (already twisted Babylonian ->) Shemite pantheon and placing the desert demon called YHWE as the "only true god".

India indeed was founded by IE people, including their religion, and the similarities are obvious and not disputed. India though is not the middle east, and the common source for both the Indian culture/religion and the European culture/religion both lie north of the Black Sea and are at least 5600 years back, most likely longer. The European people came here through the north-route (Siberia etc) from there, while other groups went down to Sumer (small group) and another group went east into India. And since then our cultures and mythologies develop independent from each other. So even if the Sumerians were PIEs, they had their own history, their own culture, and their own fate. While the European and Indian pockets survived and delevoped, the Sumerians were genocided and replaced. For the very few and very superficial similarities (and more with the Celtic culture than the Germanic one), they still have no more value for us, because they are twisted, perverted and corrupted to support Shemite->Semite->Jewish supremacy. And again, the original Sumerian/Babylonian (plus the steps between in ~2000 years) pantheon was killed and the demon YHWE placed as the "only true god".

Interestingly, christians today worship the son of this demon as their savior and god. This is so wrong as it could possibly get. Christians worship the evil itself, the archenemy of natural order and the gods.

Pyramidologist
Tuesday, July 5th, 2011, 07:44 PM
I agree with some of your post, but would argue that Indo-Europeans survived as a minority population in Mesopotamia (especially among the ruling class). They didn't just disappear. The Semitic Akkadians who invaded Sumeria did not overthrow them entirely. Sargon the Great, the first King of the Akkadian Empire was of Sumerian extraction, from the royal court of Ur-Zababa (as listed on the Sumerian King List) - he was therefore not racially a Semite. Yet the mass populations (especially the lower classes) of the Akkadians were Semites who spoke Semitic.

I would argue then that there was a late survival of this Indo-European nobility in the middle-east for example King David is described as red-haired in the Old Testament and there are other descriptions of fair features of Biblical figures as opposed to the typical darker phenotype attributed to the Semites (Jews, Arabs etc).

Ocko
Tuesday, July 5th, 2011, 08:40 PM
Psalm 2:8

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the utmost parts of the earth for thy possession


That declaration of war is the word of God, who claims to give humans moral laws to not kill, steal and otherwisely behave well.

How confused can a christian be to not see those contradictions?

The God of Christians is the devil, he is killing, destroying, mass-murdering, stealing people who have done nothing wrong. Simply wanted to live their life as always and mostly peaceful. That warmonger-demon attacked also heathenry destroyed it, destroyed its wisdom, its way of life, its harmony with earth and nature and so on. That is the real atrocity.

Pyramidologist
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 02:20 AM
That declaration of war is the word of God, who claims to give humans moral laws to not kill, steal and otherwisely behave well.

The laws outlined in Deuteronomy and Leviticus do not outlaw killing, what they outlaw is murder e.g. killing someone when it cannot be justified. Killing is justified in self-defense (Leviticus states if someone breaks into your house at night you can slay them etc) as well as other examples.


How confused can a christian be to not see those contradictions?

I don't see any contradictions because i interpet the Old Testament in its ancient near eastern (tribal) context. It is therefore very ethnocentric and when most of it was written was against other ethnicities and tribes. Yahweh for example commanded the Hebrews to fully exterminate all the pre-Semitic inhabitants of Canaan.

Mainstream Judeo-Christians of course who don't understand the ANE tribalistic context really have problems, since the God of the Bible is ethnocentric, discriminates, is pro-war and killing etc. There is no ''universal God'' in the Bible, that was a concept invented long after the Bible was actually composed. Note that the Old Testament fully recognised the existance of multiple Gods (e.g. of the Babylonians and Egyptians etc). Contrary to what many believe the Bible is monolatrist not monotheistic, the difference is monolatrism is the worship of one God but accepts others exist. This is what the ancient Hebrews practiced, as they knew other Gods of other races existed and hated them.

Elessar
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 02:55 AM
The God of Christians is the devil, he is killing, destroying, mass-murdering, stealing people who have done nothing wrong. Simply wanted to live their life as always and mostly peaceful. That warmonger-demon attacked also heathenry destroyed it, destroyed its wisdom, its way of life, its harmony with earth and nature and so on. That is the real atrocity.

>edit: "God of the Jews"
Hence why Yeshua Ben Joseph came to set the record straight and confront the lying, manipulative Jewish pharisees and fulfill the New Covennant. Christ mentions only the "Heavenly Father" (Trinitarian philosophy is present also in Paganism), the Supreme Personality of Godhead, as certain other religious paths terminology ascribes.

Old Testament ≠ New Testament (The Gospels of Jesus the Christ)

“You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Heavenly Father. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike.”- Matthew 5:38

“My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.” -John 18:36


http://temp.tanime.net/jesus_vs_jeezus.jpg


The fact that Christianity triumphed over Paganism is due to the territorial nature of Man (Rome), not credited to Yahweh and the tribe of Judea. You really think Jesus is the incarnation of Satan whose sole mission is to destroy the White Race?

One of the most outspoken Atheists, Friedrich Nietzsche once said: "There has only been one Christian, and he died on the cross"
This illustrates the nature of Christianity and religion itself: the majority are plebeian degenerates who use religion as a front for their guises, while true devotees are the enlightened few, as Matthew 7:13 points out "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."
Either Jupiter or Christ, take your pick, the weak still fall sway to the strong.


Yahweh for example commanded the Hebrews to fully exterminate all the pre-Semitic inhabitants of Canaan.
The story of Cain and Abel ring a bell? ;)

Ocko
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 05:09 AM
The jewish religion always has a problem between brothers, Abel and Kain, Jacob and his brother, Josef and his brothers and so on,

they also don't have a God with morals. they simply don't apply to him/it. Its a ruthless entity. Even the God of Jesus had his 'only begotten' son nailed to the cross why supposedly allmighty. So either he didit because he liked his offsprings nailed to the cross, or he couldn't avoid it which means he isn't allmighty. You take your pick.

From my point of view he is neither allmighty nor is he moral. He isn't because he doesn't exist. it is an invention of the jewish priests for their own selfish reasons.

whatever happened in the Bible never happened in real life. Its all hogwash.

Elessar
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 05:32 AM
Even the God of Jesus had his 'only begotten' son nailed to the cross why supposedly allmighty. So either he didit because he liked his offsprings nailed to the cross, or he couldn't avoid it which means he isn't allmighty. You take your pick.
Your mind is stuck in the Old Testament and tribal religion of the Yehudim. Christ preached of the Cosmic Philosopher, Jews attributed their own defects to their god. This is the case in point for the perfection of Christian principles in the continuum of Traditional theology.

Jesus voluntarily went to the Cross, sold out by Judas, a fundamental character in the life of Christ, whom without he would have never been "Christ". It was the will of God that the world should know him for his senseless torture and murder at the hands of those ignorant and greedy, those who hate the truth and righteous action, as this infringes upon their Tribalist mode of thought and governing. This happened to Baldur. Jealousy, greed, and hatred took the mind of Loki, so he contracted the help of a third party: Höðr (Rome in the terms of Christ) to kill the Sun of God.

Some view the Crucifixion as the downfall of Christianity: Passivism. It actually illustrates it's greatest strength: Courage in the face of Death and forthright virtue upon your beliefs.


whatever happened in the Bible never happened in real life. Its all hogwash.
It could have happened, it could have never happened, it doesn't detract from the principles and morals Christ taught, those which are reflected in the Vedic Bhagavad-Gita via Krishna. Because it never "happened" does not invalidate.

By that line of thinking the tenants of heathery never happened, literally and theologically: Odin is a quack bloodthirsty god who sets his own kings against eachother, not to mention a lusty old man who manipulates young women in giving up their prized possessions, Thor's a dimwitted brute who kills what he can't understand, and Freyja is a no-good whore who sleeps around with swarthy mongrel dwarves for material gain, what we would call a "Race Traitor". Asatru: hogwash.
By oversimplifying religion, you become a slave to your own ego, deciphering different cultural manifestations as "us vs them", a fault of the Jews who cannot even follow their own religion by recognizing the Messiah has come.

Here is some food for thought
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Ocko
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 01:58 PM
The problem is that christians believe what is written in the bible is what really happened.

Heathens do not have that believe with their myth. It is understood that it is an allegory.

That is the advantage heathen have.

Beside that, we don't get moral advice from our Gods. the christians do knowing that their God doesn't give a rat's ass about morals himself. He is the immorality impersonated (given that you take it literally what is written in the bible).

Pyramidologist
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 02:34 PM
whatever happened in the Bible never happened in real life. Its all hogwash.

Example? I think you are mistaken, archaeology has verified most of the Bible as being rooted in genuine history. I study this academically, i even had to go to the British Museum to see the housed artefacts that are cited in or verify the Old Testament e.g. the Black Obelisk of Shalmananeser III.

Even the hardline atheists and Bible haters on my course had to admit some of the Bible is historical truth because of the undisputed archaeology.

See here -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_significant_to_the_Bib le

velvet
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 04:02 PM
Some view the Crucifixion as the downfall of Christianity: Passivism. It actually illustrates it's greatest strength: Courage in the face of Death and forthright virtue upon your beliefs.

When you quote Nietzsche, maybe add how he pointed out the utter invalidity of Martyrdom in the attempt to "prove" any value to a belief. Martyrdom cannot deliver this proof, not that it would keep the sheeple from falling on their knees before the empty gesture.



It could have happened, it could have never happened, it doesn't detract from the principles and morals Christ taught, those which are reflected in the Vedic Bhagavad-Gita via Krishna. Because it never "happened" does not invalidate.

It's invalidated through our Blood. It's not ours, end of story.

Our history, including the mythical history, has been replaced by bedtime stories of another folk. A folk that has no more history, also doesnt have a future.

It's perfectly irrelevant whether these stories have a meaning for that folk, they dont have a meaning nor relevance for us.

We are a dying people because we have nothing anymore that connects us with ourselves, our past or our blood. We NEED our faith, not that cultural marxism project.


By oversimplifying religion, you become a slave to your own ego, deciphering different cultural manifestations as "us vs them", a fault of the Jews who cannot even follow their own religion by recognizing the Messiah has come.

Maybe the Jews are right and Jesus was not the Messiah?

In either case, it would be THEIR messiah, not ours, it is a product of THEIR religion, not ours, it would be their savior who releases them from THEIR sins. Sin isnt even a concept in our worldview, and certainly not the collective sin attributed by christianity to all of humanity. This whole thing is so utterly alien to us that I'm time and again surprised to see people martyrdom'ing for this sect of a people who calls us - today - Amalek.

Feyn
Tuesday, August 30th, 2011, 12:54 AM
This thread reminds me of a beautifull song written by charly murphy ( i think, at least he performs it in the version i know). Its called "burning times" Here the text :


n the cool of the evening, they used to gather
'Neath the stars in the meadow circling an old oak tree
At the times appointed by the seasons
Of the earth and the phases of the moon

In the center, stood a woman
Equal with the others and respected for her worth
One of the many we call the witches
The healers and the teachers of the wisdom of the earth

And the people grew through the knowledge she gave them
Herbs to heal their bodies, spells to make their spirits whole
Can't you hear them chanting healing incantations
Calling forth the wise ones, celebrating in dance and song

Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Kali, Innana

Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Kali, Innana

Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Kali, Innana

There were those who came to power, through domination
And they were bonded in their worship of a dead man on a cross
They sought control of the common people
By demanding allegiance to the church of Rome

And the Pope declared an inquisition
It was a war against the women, whose power they feared
In the holocaust against the nature people
Nine million European women died

And the tale is told of those, who by the hundreds
Holding together chose their death in the sea
While chanting the praises of the Mother Goddess
A refusal of betrayal, women were dying to be free

Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Kali, Innana

Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Kali, Innana

Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Kali, Innana

Now the Earth is a witch, and the men still burn her
Stripping her down with mining, and the poisons of their wars
Still to us the Earth is a healer, a teacher, a mother
The weaver of a web of life that keeps us all alive

She gives us the vision to see through the chaos
She gives us the courage, it is our will to survive



and a youtube link : /watch?v=-K_g-5FEKLU

ansuz crowning
Tuesday, August 30th, 2011, 02:58 AM
Inkubus Sukkubus covered this

Jamey Martin
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 08:04 AM
I personally am a big beleive that winners own their defeats, while losers place the blame on others. As such, while I had my times of cussing-out Christianity as much as the next heathen, I ultimately had to see things for what they were and are.

Some of the things that I noticed were ...

Longer before Christianity came along urban Romans used the term pagan much as we today use the words hick or redneck, ie. they used it as a slur. This of course doesn't absolve Christianity of the prejudice it inheritted, but it does illustrate that Christianity wasn't the author of contempt for the pagan.

And more importantly, at the onset of the "Age of Conversion" (of the Germanic peoples), the Germanic peoples were THE force in the Western world. No one could make ANY of us do ANYTHING we didn't want; except for maybe another of us. In the end, Germanicism fell to Germanic peoples.

And as a Germanic "heathen" I am, these days, far less concerernd with what the Hell was up with Chrisitnaity, and ALOT more concerend with what was up with us?

Cheers!

Sawyer
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 01:59 PM
Longer before Christianity came along urban Romans used the term pagan much as we today use the words hick or redneck, ie. they used it as a slur. This of course doesn't absolve Christianity of the prejudice it inheritted, but it does illustrate that Christianity wasn't the author of contempt for the pagan.

That's all well and good, but you seem to be implying that the Roman Leaders were some other religion, and thus were discriminating against their own 'pagans'? The point would be that the term 'pagan' originally meant something else than a non-Christian/Polytheist.


And more importantly, at the onset of the "Age of Conversion" (of the Germanic peoples), the Germanic peoples were THE force in the Western world. No one could make ANY of us do ANYTHING we didn't want; except for maybe another of us. In the end, Germanicism fell to Germanic peoples.

Not really... The Germanic invaders were not 'the force', and it is certainly a mistake to think that they were imposing Germandom on their Roman subjects. Have you heard the saying Graecia capta ferum victorem cepit 'Captive Greece captured her rude conqueror'? Yes, well the next true version would be Roma capta ferum victorem cepit ;) The Goths, Franks, Lombards, etc, did everything they could to preserve Rome and its institutions. If no one could force us to do anything than why were we serving in the Roman Armies? Why were our kingdoms legitimised with the term 'Roman', eg, the 'Holy Roman Empire', and Charlemagne bearing the title 'Augustus' and 'King of the Romans'.

C'mon, we weren't Huns;)

Jamey Martin
Thursday, June 21st, 2012, 07:00 PM
Well, you tell me, who was forcing the Franks or the Goths? Who had the power? An empire that had crumbled under it's own excessive girth? And spawned umpteen numbers of urban salvation cults in a vain attempt to address it's it's ever growing socio-cultural problems? Who's own citizen couldn't be bothered to man it's own armies?

The Franks, Goths, etc. made a CHOICE.

We migth not like that choice, but it was a choice.

And yes, pagan doesn't mean polytheist. It means the same as the Germanic term heathen ... countrydweller; where the ethnocentric beliefs held out the longest.

Primus
Thursday, June 21st, 2012, 09:06 PM
Christians pesecute pagans and heathens, true.

Pagans and heathens persecute Christians- true, although this is exaggerated to heroic proportions by the copyists of the Church, especially during the Roman period.

Pagans and heathens persecute each other- true, although not in an ideological fashion as such. For example, the Romans made it a habit to persecute cults that they disapproved of (Bacchus-worshippers).

Christians persecute each other, true enough; Christian history is rife with supposed heresy running amok all over the place.

Christianity inherited all of the intolerance of its Jewish parent-religion.

Ocko
Thursday, June 21st, 2012, 09:08 PM
Charlemagne had Jewish banksters at His court obviously in high position, rumor has it that he was a half Jew, consequently he promoted a half Jewish and a half heathen religion.

Jewish interest was and still is to destroy nations and erect a Jewish dominance over the world as predicted in their ancient writing.

hitler recognized that germanics are naiv and not up to the trickery of Jews.

finally he succumbed to them too.

The point is awakening of our people with any method suitable, that will giveusour freedoms and powers back.

Ocko
Thursday, June 21st, 2012, 09:10 PM
The naivety is that they belief in truth and think everyone else does so too.

Sawyer
Friday, June 22nd, 2012, 02:02 AM
Well, you tell me, who was forcing the Franks or the Goths? Who had the power? An empire that had crumbled under it's own excessive girth? And spawned umpteen numbers of urban salvation cults in a vain attempt to address it's it's ever growing socio-cultural problems? Who's own citizen couldn't be bothered to man it's own armies?

The Franks, Goths, etc. made a CHOICE.

We migth not like that choice, but it was a choice.

Indeed it was a choice. But certainly was not an even one. Christianity was equated with civilisation and enlightenment. And naturally many of the Germanic chiefs decided to come out of obscurity, into Christianity.

Almost every group of Germanic invaders into Roman lands ended up becoming Romance, the Goths, the Franks, the Lombards etc. All they did was continue Rome and its religion.

The best comparison is how Norway was christianised 700-600 years later. All the Church did was give out a free white cloth to every new baptised person. That's the only thing that influenced the change of faith really.

http://www.vikingeskibsmuseet.dk/en/the-sea-stallion-past-and-present/the-viking-age-society/christianity-comes-to-denmark/

There is a story concerning a Viking representative to the Frankish court who let himself be baptised. Many people were to be baptised that day and when it came to his turn there was no more white cloth. He was, therefore, given something much poorer and coarser. He protested vociferously – he had now been baptised 20 times, and each time he had been given a fine set of white clothes! Who were these misers who baptised him now?

Becoming Christian in those days is like belonging to EU, in a way.

Jamey Martin
Friday, June 22nd, 2012, 07:46 AM
Becoming Christian in those days is like belonging to EU, in a way.

I think that about sums it up the best right there. Conversion to Christianity equalled inclusion within Rome's international trade network; which along with the usual alliance gave a king an advantage over rivals amongst his neighbouring Germanic kings. And as above, so below, as kings dangled privilege for those of his tribe who followed him into the new faith. The conversion of Kent is a text book example of what the REAL lure of Christianity was. And "the Pope" actually comes right out and explicitly states to his missionaries amongst the Anglo-Saxons and Continental Germanics to accomodate the native faith as much as possible, to make Christianity over into their image just to seal the deal.

In fact, so half-assed was the conversion of our folk -- which half-assed as it was still took over 600 years from start to finish -- that early Protestent surveys noted entire backwater sections of Germany still given over to a Santeria-like fusion between native folk custom and Christianity.

The question has in fact long been who converted who, and to what? Asked by our Christian ancestors themselves long before modern heathens ever started popping up.

Germania capta ferum victorem cepit? ;)

But even before it was the lure of wealth, it was the fear and greed stirring in our own hearts. And the sad thing is, is once that ball starts rolling, even good folk will join in the rat race out of the same ol same ol sense of civic responsiblity, ie. you CAN'T let the ass-kissers take over.

But as the rune poem states, "Wealth ... the strife amongst kin".

Primus
Friday, June 22nd, 2012, 02:53 PM
Becoming Christian in those days is like belonging to EU, in a way.

This is true. I've read of anecdotes of heathen husbands converting to Christianity to be able to marry into a Christianized family (or often the Christian wife convinces the heathen husband to marry after wedlock). It's a societal as well as a religious acceptance, which often takes places today when, say, an Orthodox practitioner converts to Catholicism to marry a Catholic spouse.