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Ewergrin
Thursday, May 27th, 2004, 12:09 AM
The Troth was founded by Edred Thorsson and James Chisholm on December 20, 1987, as The Ring of Troth.

The Troth is an international Heathen organization based in the United States and is a non-profit corporation registered in the state of Texas. Additionally, The Troth is recognized by the state of New York as a 501(c)(3) non-profit religious organization.

The Troth is open to all who seek to know and to honor the Gods, ancestors, and values of the Germanic Heathen traditions, regardless of gender, race, nationality or sexual orientation. The Troth stands against any use of Germanic religion and culture to advance causes of racism, sexism, homophobia, white supremacy, or any other form of prejudice.


http://www.thetroth.org (http://www.thetroth.org)

Joehadnuff
Sunday, May 30th, 2004, 03:45 AM
Compare the photos of Troth members HERE (http://www.valleyoakkindred.com/photos.htm) with the beautiful heathens in the photos posted by Yavolod HERE (http://www.rodnoverije.com/album/celebrations.html).

The Trough is full of degenerate scum, that do not represent Heathenry in North America. They are a group of whiny eclectic homosexual hippies based out of San Francisco, California and most of them are involved in several different religions. Even the founder of the Troth, Edred Thorsson, will have nothing to do with them. They talk a good game, but they are not Heathens. They are hobbyists and eclectic parasites out to make money. Look deep. Appearances are deceiving.

Would, you know more or what ?

- JOE

Ewergrin
Sunday, May 30th, 2004, 07:09 AM
Compare the photos of Troth members HERE (http://www.valleyoakkindred.com/photos.htm) with the beautiful heathens in the photos posted by Yavolod HERE (http://www.rodnoverije.com/album/celebrations.html).

The Trough is full of degenerate scum, that do not represent Heathenry in North America. They are a group of whiny eclectic homosexual hippies based out of San Francisco, California and most of them are involved in several different religions. Even the founder of the Troth, Edred Thorsson, will have nothing to do with them. They talk a good game, but they are not Heathens. They are hobbyists and eclectic parasites out to make money. Look deep. Appearances are deceiving.

Would, you know more or what ?

- JOE

Anything based in Berkely makes me wary.
I don't know much about The Troth, and only posted the link for the members here so that they may visit it and gather their own conclusion.
Also, I stay away from any organizations that requre members to pay fees. I mean, what's the point? You pay money so that they can send you a flyer once a year, offering you the oppurtunity to send them more money? No thanks.
My heathenism requires me not to spend one dime to sustain it, and I wouldn't ever give it (money) to an organization for the simple fact that not every org can completely represent all of its constituancy properly, and the majority of them don't even try to.

Ewergrin
Sunday, May 30th, 2004, 07:24 AM
This is the kind of thing I was talking about.
I implore thee, what kind of Asatru group would let this man join?
This is blasphemy and unacceptable.

http://www.valleyoakkindred.com/Ostara%202003/Misc%20Ostara%20Pictures/13.JPG

Zyklop
Sunday, May 30th, 2004, 12:03 PM
This is the kind of thing I was talking about.
I implore thee, what kind of Asatru group would let this man join?


Maybe he is there as a moving target for archery. :smt002

Joehadnuff
Sunday, May 30th, 2004, 08:08 PM
What ? you guys are biased against guys with beer guts ? :smt003

EricP
Monday, May 31st, 2004, 06:47 PM
Never was too impressed with the group in question. Far too cozy with the multiculti neopagan hippy ethos for my tastes.

Joehadnuff
Sunday, June 27th, 2004, 10:57 AM
Things sure are dead around here....... The self-proclaimed reincarnation of Goebbels scare you all away ? :smt003

Well it appears I was all wrong about the Troth - they apparently are TEEMING WITH NAZIS AND RACISTS !

Look for yourself !
http://www.livejournal.com/users/redsonja/296888.html#cutid1

Mistress Klaus
Wednesday, July 7th, 2004, 05:41 PM
What ? you guys are biased against guys with beer guts ? :smt003 :haha

:haha :jeer :haha

Ælfhere
Monday, August 21st, 2006, 06:30 PM
I've never had any interest in the Troth, universalism is unheathen IMO. It seems they want to combine heathenry with modern leftist multiculturalism, the two don't go together that well.

Though I do know some folkish heathens who belong to the Troth. Don't know why they bother.


I implore thee, what kind of Asatru group would let this man join?

What kind of black man would want to join an Asatru kindred? It has nothing to do with HIS gods or ancestors.

BSLW
Tuesday, August 22nd, 2006, 01:42 AM
Why would a black man join the Troth? What is even more perplexing why would the Troth let a black man join?

I get cautious when a organization makes me pay money to join.

Sifsvina
Wednesday, August 23rd, 2006, 01:22 AM
Well it appears I was all wrong about the Troth - they apparently are TEEMING WITH NAZIS AND RACISTS !

Look for yourself !
http://www.livejournal.com/users/redsonja/296888.html#cutid1

ROFL!!!!!! I've been to those gatherings (we all have to start somewhere) and to hear them called racist and homophobic is one of the funniest things I've ever heard! To be fair to the troth most of the people there are not Troth members (not that that says anything good about either -but a few of those people don't look as bad as those pics, though some look worse!) and the mentioned John Post is a double talking liar and thief who had them fooled (if he is racist or racialist or universalist or not depends on which side of his mouth he is talking out of). I finally stopped going (I went for awhile even after I started to change because I'm a social creature that craves community and there are a few people there who stick to the fringes more and are at least pleasant people to be around -and my change was gradual) when many "pillars" of that community refused to even listen when I tried to tell them he was a pariah, those backstabbing, drama hungry, gossip hounds wouldn't even hear me and kept welcoming him. That's what I get for being honest, sticking to my principles, and not being a fawning sycophant:rolleyes: I really miss doing religious community things but I'd rather wait for a real community not that loser version, one where I don't have to silently tolerate so very much I don't like and keep my mouth shut about so much of what I think because it wouldn't be tolerated at all. There were individuals I could carefully talk to (while looking around to make sure the wrong people were not there) about certain things but though I like being circumspect and thinking before I speak, and have no desire to bray my beliefs out at the top of my lungs, skulking around is not my idea of a great place for me to be. And besides all the fundamental idealogical differences I just didn't want to play the popularity game; who can do the most seidthe, who can talk to the gods the most, who can get "ridden" (when a god 'possesses' them -borrowed from voodoo) the most dramatically, who can pander to Diana Paxton the most, who can justify their abnormal behavior best, who can wear the most dramatic outfits(and usually painful to look at, but I guess fat people like to dress up too :runaway ) (I used to enjoy that one except I'd like to think I looked good;) but that becomes empty when the ugly fat chick (or fag) is getting as much attention if not more because they are more explicitly playing it up and have more gross friends. and when they got all excited when I got a little too heavy :runaway - I was still much smaller than most of them but it was too much for me.) etc. And when I didn't want to play all their psychodrama games and stopped playing up my sexuality they didn't seem to have much use for me. A woman run (mostly), feminist (though they would protest that), 'progressive' democrat (mostly) community that values and panders to the ugly, pathetic, and liars with silver tongues? Yeah, not really the place for me:D
The racial thing wasn't as much of an issue because for all their anti-racist panic and reassurances they are mostly white (I'd say at least 98% -many events without non-Caucasoid representatives at all) and alot of them understand, on some level at least, that it is a blood thing and I think that makes alot of them uneasy because somewhere they know that the anti blather is wrong but they are too steeped in their leftist propaganda and stumbling over themselves to deny any belief that might be held by a "racist" (not that I don't understand wanting to distance oneself from some of the more angry and childish "racists" out there). Taking a stand on the race issue would mean expeling a couple of people who are good, intelligent, and solid (though I wouldn't have them in my family or kindred -I actually discussed that with one of them and she -1/4 german 3/4 hispanic- had no problem with that at all). They won't reject anyone because they are "different" because they all self-identify as "different" and fear being excluded themselves.

Whew, enough of that rant for now:-) I think I'll go and try to do something constructive now:D

Sigurd
Monday, May 14th, 2007, 04:49 PM
Let me quote a few things by Unis in that link posted...I seriously wish I had never read it...:doh


My girlfriend.. again 100% Russian Jewish


As for Homophobia... at the last Troth-sponsored event I attended, a marriage was performed between two women, [...] Nearby was another gay couple I've seen at every Troth-sponsored event I've been to here, cuddling with one another during the ceremony. No racism, no nazism, no rabid homophobia was present that I could see.


I am one of the few Black Asatruars that I know of in the California region.

I'm certainly bereft of speech. How they can do this in the name of our Gods is beyond my conception - especially when it comes to the fags cuddling up and marrying. Hel, our ancestors condemned it, and doing as much as wearing effeminate clothing as a man/emasculate clothing as a woman was a ground for divorce! :runaway

Edenkoben
Monday, May 14th, 2007, 06:13 PM
Sifsvina--You're describing a cult; wise move to bail out. I see a lot in your post that says they demand subservience and abandoning principles in favor of personality...and when have these been qualities of our way? Your authority in this matter is well appreciated.

Sig--I'm trusting your judgment and steering clear of reading this junk.

My sum up: Joining such a 'club' is like joining an open bowling league; the only criteria are paying your own way and wearing the right shoes. What's perverse is that this club isn't a bowling league, it's pretending to be a lifestyle, a faith and stealing the language of my lifestyle, my faith.

Liars only survive on the energies of those willing to ditch their own principles in favor of the lies; I prefer to let these illegitimates starve. We have survived a thousand years of genocide and the betrayal of usurpers because we do hang to our principles. And so we continue to do so. These buffoons will die out, let's hope sooner rather than later.

:tree5: :ansuz:

klokkwerx
Monday, May 14th, 2007, 08:23 PM
I'm certainly bereft of speech. How they can do this in the name of our Gods is beyond my conception - especially when it comes to the fags cuddling up and marrying. Hel, our ancestors condemned it, and doing as much as wearing effeminate clothing as a man/emasculate clothing as a woman was a ground for divorce! :runaway
You hit the nail on the head there Sigurd!

¨The Trough¨ is definately what they are, they shouldnt even be considered in relation to Folkish Heathens, they fit in the category of UniPagan Wiccans!

Folkist
Monday, May 14th, 2007, 09:59 PM
I've dealt with members of the Troth more than I'd like to. It just so happens that in Oklahoma most of the Heathens down here in Oklahoma City are AFA, while most of the "Heathens" up in Tulsa are Troth, and most of them are complete morons. If you've ever met a "Heathen" who says "Our ancestors adopted whoever was worthy regardless of the color of their skin." or "Race is Christian idea used to justify slavery." or "Thor, Odin, Loki, and Freyr were all cross-dressers, so we should be too." then that blasphemous, ignorant piece of shit is probably a loyal member of the Troth. That's not to say that every member of the Troth is this worthless. There was, for a few years, an attempt by Folkish Asatruar to take over the Troth from within (because the Troth lets in anybody), but that didn't work out. Oh well. Atleast now, we can have a good idea of who, claiming to be "Asatru", is an actual Asatruar. If that person is in the Troth, then the answer in most likely "no".

On a lighter note, I do have one freind in the Troth, whom I consider to be an actual Heathen. I have to introduce him like "This is my friend. He's in the Troth. He's not gay or anything." :haha

Yngve
Thursday, May 17th, 2007, 12:59 AM
When I was young and dumb I thought the Troth was a good Heathen organization. Now that I saw that picture with a black guy shooting arrows with them makes me think twice.