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Teuton
Saturday, October 18th, 2008, 10:47 AM
I thought I would start a little poll, what is your opinion?

Nachtengel
Sunday, March 15th, 2009, 11:45 PM
I'd prefer a Germanic immigrant from South Africa to third world asylum seekers or American neocons.

Sigurd
Monday, March 16th, 2009, 12:02 AM
I'd prefer a Germanic immigrant from South Africa to third world asylum seekers or American neocons.

What if the American neo-con is Germanic, too? ;)

Gorm the Old
Monday, March 16th, 2009, 12:44 AM
Well, surely they must be more welcome than demanding overbearing Muslims !

Hauke Haien
Monday, March 16th, 2009, 01:01 AM
Theoretically yes, but the idea of settling one's own soil by using outside sources is a typically American one that we need to get away from. There is no choice between various types of immigrants, the only choice we have is between demographic expansion and collapse.

If Germanics from SA had the opportunity to resettle throughout the EU, it would be best if they picked non-Germanic territory directly adjacent to the Germanic ones and kept their South African character, adapted to the new environment.

Nothing is gained from abusing outside Germanics as fuel for the prolonged existence of our sick societies.

Oswiu
Monday, March 16th, 2009, 01:10 AM
A question; how many are there? A few million? If they were spread about between us, I wouldn't shut the door on them. It seems they are spreading about, those that are leaving - I heard a lot have gone to Australia, and there's plenty here. Might do us some good to have their experience, when it's our turn to face the whirlwind.

Sigurd
Monday, March 16th, 2009, 01:39 AM
If Germanics from SA had the opportunity to resettle throughout the EU, it would be best if they picked non-Germanic territory directly adjacent to the Germanic ones and kept their South African character, adapted to the new environment.

I suppose that would be an interesting idea, and could be used quite usefully for resettlement of formerly Germanic areas. Perhaps one could even throw the Wallonians out of Belgium (the most ethnically continuous option) or the Poles out of Silesia ... ah well, suppose I'm an old dreamer. ;)

But either way - now that you say it, your idea doesn't seem too bad. To locate them right adjacent would make them part of the continuum whilst both they and us are able to maintain their unique character. Excellent proposition! :thumbup

Oswiu
Monday, March 16th, 2009, 02:05 AM
Excellent proposition! :thumbup

Horrific criminal fantasy, more like. :|

Good fences make good neighbours. Even talking about robbing your neighbours' land and kicking him out is damaging to relations.

Sigurd
Monday, March 16th, 2009, 04:10 AM
Good fences make good neighbours. Even talking about robbing your neighbours' land and kicking him out is damaging to relations.

With Silesia, it would not be robbing anyone's land. It would be taking back what is ours by right. I believe 800 years of majority German residence up until 1945 is enough to establish that it's ours by rights? ;)

As far Wallonia --- well, it's not like they haven't been "stealing" (that is populating and frenchifying) the traditional Flemish capital Brussels nor haven't attempted to push the ethnic/language boundary between Wallonians and Flemish north. :shrug

There's enough space for the Wallonian's ethnic kin in France anyhow. With the Afrikaner work ethic, perhaps even the region could be economically refurbished. :P

And very finally - it wouldn't really be any different than what we oft did in the process of the Ostsiedlung: In Austria, Protestant Germans were oft encouraged and made to relocate to nowadays Burgenland (then still part of Hungary) or Siebenbürgen. ;)

Sissi
Wednesday, March 18th, 2009, 12:03 AM
My vote is Yes, they are our blood.
I think we should reach out a hand towards the persecuted Germanic kindred from South Africa. If we should help people and provide them with political asylum against persecution, then at least these people should be our own or closely related. Their folk and their culture are really in danger, unlike other foreigners who just take advantage of our asylum laws and generosity to get richer. :thumbdown

Ragnar Lodbrok
Wednesday, March 18th, 2009, 12:35 AM
I say kick all of these mestizos out who are invading many of our states in the USA and replace them with Germanic South Africans. :D

Koenigsberg
Friday, April 24th, 2009, 07:57 AM
I would oppose their immigration, even on a temporary basis. Afrikaners should stay in SA despite the sacrifices. Only through sacrifice is anything of worth gained.

Perhaps Germanic migration to SA would be better. :D

StormjaerKommando
Sunday, July 5th, 2009, 05:40 AM
It warms my heart to hear that European Germanics feel that Afrikaners have a right to call Europe a spiritual home and possibly resettle there. Though I too feel that if this is to be done it must be approached with caution for the good of all those Germanics involved. One thing is certain though, those Afrikaners who are to resettle must be properly 'evaluated' so that Germanic genetic purity within these groups is of the best quality and is best suited to the respective regions these groups are to settle in.

Also there must be a sense of Germanic awareness amongst settlers which means allot of the current popular ('jewified') Afrikaans culture (MK, 7de Laan, Egoli, Passela, Sokkie Treffers en hul 'kunstenaars', Huis Genoot, Kyk Net, M-net, mxit, facebook en kampus-koshuis-kultuur) should be smashed into tiny pieces like the minds which they sprung from. In its place should be a renewed awareness and admiration for those such as Jan van Riebeeck, Andries Pretorius, Christiaan de Wet, Jopie Fourie, Hans Janse van Rensburg etc. and in my opinion a strong tendency towards National Socialism of which Apartheid was only a 'watered down' form. Braaivleis, biltong (traditional food) and rugby can stay however, honestly what true Afrikaner can live without them? :D.

RoyBatty
Sunday, July 5th, 2009, 10:46 PM
What if the American neo-con is Germanic, too? ;)

"NeoCons" (certainly the ringleaders amongst them) are mostly Jewish. Often they're descended from Bolshevik / Marxist ancestors. They reinvented themselves and became US style "rightwingers" which bears little if any relation to traditional white rightwing types such as who typically frequents forums such as Skadi.

There are millions of goyim zombies who get their "facts" from the NeoCon friendly media, perhaps Todesengel was referring to them. Imo they wouldn't make suitable immigrants to Europe and they ought to rather stay home in their Zionist / Evangelical paradise, even if they are ethnically "Germanic". The same applies to South Africans of the liberal / multi-kulti pursuasion.


I would oppose their immigration, even on a temporary basis. Afrikaners should stay in SA despite the sacrifices. Only through sacrifice is anything of worth gained. I think the more Afrikaners can suffer, the better their future will be.

Perhaps Germanic migration to SA would be better. :D

It's pointless since it's a lost cause. What would the purpose be of "making sacrifices"? Until the existing world order collapses those poor people are effectively screwed since USA / EU / NATO will side with the blacks against them. It's going to be a longggggg wait.

If there was some kind of finish line in sight and a plan what you propose would make sense. Unfortunately I don't see evidence of either.

Another thing to keep in mind is that Europe is heading the same way South Africa already has. In a couple of decades it's going to be the same thing over there. What then for the ethnic Europeans and Germanics?

Siebenbürgerin
Monday, July 6th, 2009, 04:30 PM
I would welcome Afrikaners to Europe. In my view the whole idea of settling in Africa isn't a best one. It's best if the races of the world live in separation, because then the problems like racial mixing, apartheid, racial crime, rapes disappear. Now in SA there is a new apartheid, but the roles are reversed, and the blacks put their supremacy over the whites. :| The best solution in my view is racial separation. Either some areas are inhabited only by Afrikaners and made into their independent state, or the Afrikaners move to Europe and live here. More Europeans moving to South Africa sounds like a bad idea, honestly.

Ossi
Monday, July 6th, 2009, 04:38 PM
I'd be opposed to any mass group of Afrikaners pouring into Germany. I'm against non-German immigration. Germans could decide on individuals and place quotas only for EXCEPTIONAL cases. By the way, I don't see the logic in opening arms to Afrikaners but being opposed to American immigration. It's the same thing. People who left Europe to go live in exotic lands with foreign tribes. There is NO reason why European countries should pick up their pieces and clean up their mess. We have MORE than enough mess of our own to deal with here, to keep us busy for the next century.

RoyBatty
Monday, July 6th, 2009, 07:58 PM
Many Afrikaners are descended (often quite recently) from Germans. You may as well be opposed to 1/2 German Europeans, Swiss Germans, Namibian ones, Germans with Polish sounding surnames etc.

flemish
Tuesday, July 7th, 2009, 05:08 AM
Leaving South Africa seems like their only option, unless they're willing to give Orania a try. I've heard that's for the Christian conservative type, though.

RoyBatty
Tuesday, July 7th, 2009, 06:50 AM
Leaving South Africa seems like their only option, unless they're willing to give Orania a try. I've heard that's for the Christian conservative type, though.

Orania is a non-starter for all kinds of reasons. It's a pet project of an organisation with uncomfortably close ties to the ANC (black) government. It is too small, it has no coastline, it is in the middle of nowhere, it has a restrictive "admissions" policy and ruleset and so forth. It would be a bit like moving the entire Dutch population to a town like Tholen from the NL's Bible Belt (but without the coastline).

:D

Stormraaf
Tuesday, July 7th, 2009, 11:43 AM
I'd be opposed to any mass group of Afrikaners pouring into Germany. I'm against non-German immigration. Germans could decide on individuals and place quotas only for EXCEPTIONAL cases.

As RoyBatty indicated, Afrikaners are highly assimilable into the German ethnicity, and with our 2.7 million of which only a fraction would end up amongst Germany's 80+ million if they were "invited", the export of Afrikaner-to-German culture should be negligible. If I were in your position, I'd rather advocate opening your borders to Afrikaners for the tiny boost it would be to the size of the next generation of Germans.


People who left Europe to go live in exotic lands with foreign tribes.

Let's not assume they migrated to Africa for a get-together with the natives. The first Dutch settlement was a half-way station for passing ships, and it's population was boosted by Europeans fleeing persecution, amongst other reasons. They didn't much like the foreign tribes either. The initial Cape colony was comparable to a walled garden with Europe within and Africa outside.


There is NO reason why European countries should pick up their pieces and clean up their mess.

Agreed, we ought to tend to our own mess, but more specifically, we ought to be allowed to do so, without interference from the West and their agent organizations. If we happen to still be around after those power structures have collapsed, chances are we can secure a future for ourselves once again.

Ossi
Tuesday, July 7th, 2009, 09:16 PM
Many Afrikaners are descended (often quite recently) from Germans.
So are Americans, and that's not enough. I don't welcome them with open arms. Afrikaners are mixed with other ethnicities too, like French and English.


You may as well be opposed to 1/2 German Europeans, Swiss Germans, Namibian ones, Germans with Polish sounding surnames etc.
I'm opposed to non-Germanic influence in my country so no 1/2 Germans and no Polaks. I'm only willing to accept ethnic Germans who speak German and kept their culture. The majority ones from the New World didn't.


As RoyBatty indicated, Afrikaners are highly assimilable into the German ethnicity, and with our 2.7 million of which only a fraction would end up amongst Germany's 80+ million if they were "invited", the export of Afrikaner-to-German culture should be negligible. If I were in your position, I'd rather advocate opening your borders to Afrikaners for the tiny boost it would be to the size of the next generation of Germans.
Germany's density is already high. We are stepping on our toes. We don't need mass migration of millions. What we need is to get the millions of foreigners OUT instead of some fantasy of breeding like rabbits.


Let's not assume they migrated to Africa for a get-together with the natives. The first Dutch settlement was a half-way station for passing ships, and it's population was boosted by Europeans fleeing persecution, amongst other reasons. They didn't much like the foreign tribes either. The initial Cape colony was comparable to a walled garden with Europe within and Africa outside.
Africa is an exotic continent even without the Negro. It's an exotic climate, flora and fauna for the Germanics. They should have stayed in Europe. But they didn't, so they have to deal with the consequences of their departure and clean up their mess.


Agreed, we ought to tend to our own mess, but more specifically, we ought to be allowed to do so, without interference from the West and their agent organizations. If we happen to still be around after those power structures have collapsed, chances are we can secure a future for ourselves once again.
Ya well I despise the whole concept of "the West" and my country isn't free. If there's someone to blame it's the string pullers who have the power.

Stormraaf
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 02:15 AM
From your earlier post,


Germans could decide on individuals and place quotas only for EXCEPTIONAL cases.

I'd be interested to hear what your criteria for such exceptions would be, since I suspect you won't be able to find much which would disqualify many Afrikaners.


Afrikaners are mixed with other ethnicities too, like French and English.

The French part is noteworthy, the English not so much (2-3%), but what is your point? Do you believe the racial types common in 17th century France are somehow alien to Germany? If you're speaking in terms of how they influenced the development of our culture, well, you already know Afrikaners are a distinct ethnicity, which would have been the case even if the French additions were absent. Only the physical, racial element will survive assimilation, so the cultural point then becomes irrelevant anyhow.


Africa is an exotic continent even without the Negro. It's an exotic climate, flora and fauna for the Germanics. They should have stayed in Europe. But they didn't, so they have to deal with the consequences of their departure and clean up their mess.

It's not as if the exotic climate, flora and fauna has anything to do with the mess we're in. Germanics initially flourished in SA. The colonial endeavours are failing, but that doesn't mean the expansion of Germanic civilization beyond Europe was necessarily wrong. Safeguarding Germanic civilization at its origin is failing as well, and for similar reasons as in the colonies.

In hindsight I can agree that my own ancestors ought to have stayed in Europe, but I can't really blame them for our present day problems. That being said, I don't believe Europe "owes" it to us to help us out of our mess either. I believe Afrikaners need to obtain some real borders and power again. However, between how little impact I think it would have on the European Germanic ethnicities and an Afrikaner's hopes for raising his children in a safer environment, I am indifferent to Afrikaners abandoning the cause at home and migrating. I might one day find myself doing so as well.

Zuid-Vlaming
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 10:24 AM
Perhaps one could even throw the Wallonians out of Belgium (the most ethnically continuous option)



As far Wallonia --- well, it's not like they haven't been "stealing" (that is populating and frenchifying) the traditional Flemish capital Brussels nor haven't attempted to push the ethnic/language boundary between Wallonians and Flemish north. :shrug

There's enough space for the Wallonian's ethnic kin in France anyhow. With the Afrikaner work ethic, perhaps even the region could be economically refurbished. :P

Throwing the Walloons out of Belgium ? You're a cold-hearted mass deporter, Sigurd ! :D
There are french-speaking parts that the Flemings can rightfully claim, for instance Brussels and periphery like you properly pointed out -but french-speakers in Brussels are not considered nor even called Walloons, they're "francophones" (because a great lot of them were Flemings, culturally frenchized)- and maybe some towns neighbouring the linguistic border (perhaps Tournai/Doornik if we push it far), but what concerns Wallonia properly speaking, the Walloons inhabit it from ancient times... They're the descendants of the old Belgae, linguistically romanized, with then some Frankish addition, but they are natives in the greater part of what is today called Wallonia.
(Except also the Ostkantone who should return to Germany).

Barely kicking Walloons out of Belgium would be a mass deportation of an autochtonous people. The responsibility of the old policy of frenchification can't be rejected just like that on the "Walloons" alone (even if they could take some profit from it) but rather on the francophone elite among which were Walloons, that's for sure, but also a good deal of french-speaking Flemings (Franskiljoenen) who willingly betrayed their own culture. Walloons are francophones but not all francophones are Walloons.

End of the parenthesis.

---
About Afrikaners, to me they're more than welcome.

Ossi
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 04:06 PM
From your earlier post,

I'd be interested to hear what your criteria for such exceptions would be, since I suspect you won't be able to find much which would disqualify many Afrikaners.
Providing us with an exceptional service that a German can't and needing to do it in Germany. If an Afrikaner genius could do something like build us some weapon a German couldn't, there could be an exception as long as it serves Germany.
What we don't need is asylum seekers. We have black Africans coming here to escape the environment in their countries, white Africans doing it too won't change the principle. WHY should our country open its doors to foreigners, black or white? Germany shouldn't be a charity organization.


The French part is noteworthy, the English not so much (2-3%), but what is your point? Do you believe the racial types common in 17th century France are somehow alien to Germany? If you're speaking in terms of how they influenced the development of our culture, well, you already know Afrikaners are a distinct ethnicity, which would have been the case even if the French additions were absent. Only the physical, racial element will survive assimilation, so the cultural point then becomes irrelevant anyhow.
A mass of people doesn't assimilate easily. Not even white ones.
Yes, I believe anything non-German is alien to Germany. Of course Germany isn't 100% pure either, but we have enough dealing with our own people to import MORE non-German elements.


It's not as if the exotic climate, flora and fauna has anything to do with the mess we're in. Germanics initially flourished in SA. The colonial endeavours are failing, but that doesn't mean the expansion of Germanic civilization beyond Europe was necessarily wrong. Safeguarding Germanic civilization at its origin is failing as well, and for similar reasons as in the colonies.
The exotic climate, flora and fauna contributed to a culture alien to Germany. Expansion beyond Europe WAS wrong, because that's where all the race mixing started to occur. With niggers, injuns, chinks, spics, and the rest. As long as we stay SEPARATED from them, there is little to worry about. Besides colonialism has been used as a pretext to bring asylum seekers and aliens into our countries, because our empires made them "hurt".

Ward
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 11:14 PM
Honestly, I think many Afrikaners would fit very nicely into parts of the western U.S. Anglo-American culture basically evolved to absorb whites from other cultures relatively painlessly. After all, Afrikaners and Americans are both of pioneer stock, with similar histories in dealing with non-whites.

StormjaerKommando
Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 02:31 AM
Afrikaners are mixed with other ethnicities too, like French and English.

The English component is rather insignificant (traditionally the Englishman isn’t exactly the Afrikaners best friend) and French Huguenots settled in Prussia too (Strange, that's where you're from Ossi... ;) )


They should have stayed in Europe. But they didn't, so they have to deal with the consequences of their departure and clean up their mess.

This is very true but unfortunately there's nothing the modern-day Afrikaner can do about that, although most Afrikaners bitterly regret it on the behalf of our forefathers, if that is any compensation?

Yes, our mess, in my opinion, is the worst of all Germanics, much like that of Germany in 1945. I mention this just to remind some Germans that after the downfall of NS Germany the Apartheid regime tried to alleviate the plight of those Germans and other Germanics loyal to the NS regime. This can be added to the rebellion by the Boer War Generals of 1914 and Afrikaner neutrality feelings and sabotage of the Allied war effort by the Ossewabrandwag (a NS organization) from 1939 onward as proof of Afrikaner sympathy for Germany.

Here is some proof:
http://www.sacp.org.za/main.php?include=docs/history/jadwatda.html

This document was written by a Arabian communist for the South African Communist Party in 1948 and is titled SOUTH AFRICA - ON THE ROAD TO FASCISM.

Some particularly interesting facts in this document that relate to the issue at hand:

"The world has to take stock of the Malan Government which, in its four brief months of power, has:

Suspended the deportation orders against Nazi Germans interned during the war;...

Released Robey Leibrandt, who was landed in South Africa during the war by a German submarine and subsequently convicted of high treason. Released also all the other members of the German fifth column;...

Announced that war-internees would be eligible for compensation to a maximum of R20,000 per head;...

Raised the ban on two subversive organisations, the Broederbond and the Ossewa Brandwag;...

Raised all restrictions on the movement of South-West African German ex-internees;...

Taken steps to set up a platteland army, corresponding to SS troops in Nazi Germany;..."

Some random quotes of Apartheid leaders from within the document:

"A wonderful future awaits Afrikanerdom. Germany will want a government sympathetic to itself... The Nationalist Party can fill that role." Dr. Malan, leader of the nationalist opposition during the war, became Prime minister thereafter.

"We are not enemies of Germany. We have always been friends of the German people, and the only white country that WAS our enemy is Britain." Johannes Gerhardus Strijdom, Minister of Lands who succeeded Malan as Prime minister.

"Gallows are being erected where they themselves may hang in years to come. We say so not only to the Jingoes, but we say so to the Jews. You are putting up gallows for the Germans, but beware; the day may come when you yourselves may hang from these same gallows." A.J. Werth, Nationalist M.P. and shadow Minister for Finance when the Nationalists were in Opposition.

Although this discussion is only theoretical it pains me to hear that some Germans would not like Afrikaners to immigrate to Germany in light of our ever outstretched hand of friendship and dare I say strong kinship? I am aware of the complications and repercussions entailed in a large scale Afrikaner immigration process to Germany, but I feel some Germans should accept that the world is not as it once was and that Afrikaner in-migration to Germany may not only be a justly favour returned but may also strengthen Germany for a Nationalist resurgence. Regardless, we carry on...

Ossi
Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 03:06 AM
The English component is rather insignificant (traditionally the Englishman isn’t exactly the Afrikaners best friend) and French Huguenots settled in Prussia too (Strange, that's where you're from Ossi... ;) )
I have no Frog ancestry. :D

Even if some Germans have French ancestry, it's not a reason to bring in MORE mixed people.

This argument, just because something exists somewhere it means more can be brought, isn't going to get us anywhere. Some native Germans are criminals. That's not a reason to import more criminals from Africa or Turkey.


Although this discussion is only theoretical it pains me to hear that some Germans would not like Afrikaners to immigrate to Germany in light of our ever outstretched hand of friendship and dare I say strong kinship? I am aware of the complications and repercussions entailed in a large scale Afrikaner immigration process to Germany, but I feel some Germans should accept that the world is not as it once was and that Afrikaner in-migration to Germany may not only be a justly favour returned but may also strengthen Germany for a Nationalist resurgence. Regardless, we carry on...
I'm against asylum seekers. It doesn't matter which country they're from. I'm not a Christian, I don't support charity. An Afrikaner only belongs in my country as far as he can offer something Germany NEEDS.

Ward
Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 03:33 AM
The English component is rather insignificant (traditionally the Englishman isn’t exactly the Afrikaners best friend) and French Huguenots settled in Prussia too (Strange, that's where you're from Ossi... ;) )

This is very true but unfortunately there's nothing the modern-day Afrikaner can do about that, although most Afrikaners bitterly regret it on the behalf of our forefathers, if that is any compensation?

Yes, our mess, in my opinion, is the worst of all Germanics, much like that of Germany in 1945. I mention this just to remind some Germans that after the downfall of NS Germany the Apartheid regime tried to alleviate the plight of those Germans and other Germanics loyal to the NS regime. This can be added to the rebellion by the Boer War Generals of 1914 and Afrikaner

Well, for whatever its worth Wikingsdonner, I think I can safely speak for virtually all racially-aware White Americans that we would be delighted to take you guys in if you so desired.

I'm sure the Jews in Washington will never let it happen, but I do believe that you guys would do wonders in re-energizing and revitalizing White America and maybe even help bring it back to the good ol' days. And unlike Europe, we still have quite vast stretches of land here to farm and settle. ;)

RoyBatty
Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 02:22 PM
I'm against asylum seekers. It doesn't matter which country they're from.

How did "asylum seeker" get into the equation? :bconfused

I sincerely hope you're not trying to insinuate that we're a bunch of layabouts who don't work and who sponge off the state like certain other white natives in parts of Western Europe I could name? Some of those areas may be rather uncomfortably close to where you're from.

Please do clarify. :)

Ossi
Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 04:56 PM
How did "asylum seeker" get into the equation? :bconfused

I sincerely hope you're not trying to insinuate that we're a bunch of layabouts who don't work and who sponge off the state like certain other white natives in parts of Western Europe I could name? Some of those areas may be rather uncomfortably close to where you're from.

Please do clarify. :)
An asylum seeker is a foreigner who comes to my country because the political situation in his country doesn't suit him anymore and he wants to get away from it. Afrikaners who want to escape South Africa because the Negro is in charge there now. Even if they work, every job given to a foreigner means one job less for a native German. Where do you think these jobs come from? Employers are forced to favor the foreigner or they'll be accused of discrimination and xenophobia.

RoyBatty
Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 06:21 PM
You appear to be confused about the differences between "asylum seekers" and "immigrants".

Asylum seekers typically:

- claim political / ethnic persecution in their native homelands in order to gain permission to stay in their chosen new homeland
- (in the EU) often receive state handouts and housing
- are usually "ethnics", ie, non-whites
- often don't integrate into the local community due to cultural differences
- don't require any particular skills
- often get away with providing false evidence about their character and background


Legal immigrants / migrants on the other hand:

- don't receive state cash or handouts or housing
- tend to integrate better
- usually need to satisfy local requirements (with regards to character, skills and so forth) and local regulations before being accepted into the country as immigrants

It's one thing for you to say "I don't want immigrants in my country" but quite another to use the "Asylum Seeker" slur. I'm not aware of Afrikaners claiming "asylum" anywhere or hoping to claim "asylum" for that matter.

If that's your position we may as well be "honest" with one another and start making references to sponging off the state and collecting welfare payments or informing on family and neighbours to the STASI which was another popular national pasttime.

Regarding your attitude towards "non-Germans" in Germany, it works both ways. You're effectively stating that the rest of the EU (and countries like Switzerland) shouldn't tolerate German nationals either since they are all "taking jobs from local people". It's rather unlikely that you're going to find much support for such ideas. They belong to an exclusively German forum and can't possibly work in a board such as Skadi since its very nature and character is Germanic and includes a wide variety of peoples from around the world.

Your attitude is a bit puzzling for somebody who participates in English on a GERMANIC (meaning not exclusively Bundesrepublik Deutschland) board since you're essentially being anti-Germanic (against all Germanic peoples outside the BRD) and pro-German (BRD).

:bconfused

Ossi
Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 07:07 PM
You appear to be confused about the differences between "asylum seekers" and "immigrants".

Asylum seekers typically:

- claim political / ethnic persecution in their native homelands in order to gain permission to stay in their chosen new homeland
- (in the EU) often receive state handouts and housing
- are usually "ethnics", ie, non-whites
- often don't integrate into the local community due to cultural differences
- don't require any particular skills
- often get away with providing false evidence about their character and background


Legal immigrants / migrants on the other hand:

- don't receive state cash or handouts or housing
- tend to integrate better
- usually need to satisfy local requirements (with regards to character, skills and so forth) and local regulations before being accepted into the country as immigrants

It's one thing for you to say "I don't want immigrants in my country" but quite another to use the "Asylum Seeker" slur. I'm not aware of Afrikaners claiming "asylum" anywhere or hoping to claim "asylum" for that matter.

If that's your position we may as well be "honest" with one another and start making references to sponging off the state and collecting welfare payments or informing on family and neighbours to the STASI which was another popular national pasttime.

Regarding your attitude towards "non-Germans" in Germany, it works both ways. You're effectively stating that the rest of the EU (and countries like Switzerland) shouldn't tolerate German nationals either since they are all "taking jobs from local people". It's rather unlikely that you're going to find much support for such ideas. They belong to an exclusively German forum and can't possibly work in a board such as Skadi since its very nature and character is Germanic and includes a wide variety of peoples from around the world.
I'm German, I don't like the political situation in my country, and yet I'm not turning into an immigrant to leech off any foreign country. I'm of the stance people should stay in their countries, yes, INCLUDING Germans.

Of course it won't get support from the masses since everyone is used with multicultural ideas and xenophilic sentiment. :oanieyes


Your attitude is a bit puzzling for somebody who participates in English on a GERMANIC (meaning not exclusively Bundesrepublik Deutschland) board since you're essentially being anti-Germanic (against all Germanic peoples outside the BRD) and pro-German (BRD).

:bconfused
:yawn

Right, the good old "anti-Germanic" accusations, from people who get offended by nationalism. I'm pro-Germanic preservation. In their lands, and me in mine. Germans in Germany. Swedes in Sweden. English in England. Simple as that.

Horagalles
Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 08:44 PM
I'm German, I don't like the political situation in my country, and yet I'm not turning into an immigrant to leech off any foreign country. I'm of the stance people should stay in their countries, yes, INCLUDING Germans.
I could have clicked on all the option with reasons.
But I did also vote for "No". Not because I would eb against Germanic South Africans in European countries as such, but because I think it is mainly the opportunistic parasitic ones that are leaving. And I mean "opportunistic" in the negative sense of looking-the-best-circumstances-and-act-accordingly(move to them) as opposed to creating-better-circumstance-and-benefit-from-it-later.

On the other hand, I deem it a secondary issue (so I do not really care). I even can find some positive in it. For one this can strengthen White demography elsewhere, which isn't necessarily an example since what's socioeconomically bad for Whites right now can be in our favor later....



Of course it won't get support from the masses since everyone is used with multicultural ideas and xenophilic sentiment. :oanieyes
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In my opinion the best spin-off from SA White immigration is the fact that it will expose even more White people in other countries to some first hand testimonies on how multicriminal hell-holes are and to what it means to live in a country were Whites did loose (most of) their political power. So the South African Germanics can work as missionaries to WN causes in countries like Canada, UK, Netherlands etc. ;).


Right, the good old "anti-Germanic" accusations, from people who get offended by nationalism. I'm pro-Germanic preservation. In their lands, and me in mine. Germans in Germany. Swedes in Sweden. English in England. Simple as that.And the South African Republic, I hope.
By that I mean the territory on the highveld that has been homesteaded by Whites and founded as a Republic.

RoyBatty
Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 09:13 PM
Right, the good old "anti-Germanic" accusations, from people who get offended by nationalism. I'm pro-Germanic preservation. In their lands, and me in mine. Germans in Germany. Swedes in Sweden. English in England. Simple as that.

We're talking about different things it seems. "Germanic" in the context of this board is not exclusively BRD German. What you're advocating is Germans in the BRD and that "Germanics" aren't German and hence should not be in the BRD.

Obviously the opposite would also hold true meaning that BRD Germans ought to be "repatriated" to Germany should they, for whatever reason, find themselves outside the BRD.

This isn't really workable or practical anymore. For the most part we'd all be lucky if in a few decades from now there are even majority "Europeans" left in Europe. We'd all be better off if we shelved the nationalism and rather cooperated against the bigger common threats.

Stormraaf
Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 09:39 PM
This isn't really workable or practical anymore. For the most part we'd all be lucky if in a few decades from now there are even majority "Europeans" left in Europe. We'd all be better off if we shelved the nationalism and rather cooperated against the bigger common threats.

This notion was extensively discussed in this thread on America(ns) (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=122711).

Bittereinder
Tuesday, July 14th, 2009, 06:04 PM
I appreciate the sentiments expressed by Todesengel, Sigurd, Hauke Haien and Siebenbürgerin. It is an affirmation of the esteem in which some Germans and Germanics hold us and for that I am thankful;).
With regards to “relocating” and I use the word rather deliberately, at hart I am opposed to the notion:thumbdown. My country is exactly that, my country. It enabled the development of my people, my language, my history, my way of thinking. Unfortunately our way of life has been all but destroyed and yes, part of the blame can be put on the shoulders of the Afrikaner. We are a proud nation our place is in South Africa for reasons to numerous to name. The biggest reason is simply because my sires blood and sweet drenched this land and made it fertile. As “Die Stem” so eloquently put it “ons sal antwoord op jou roep stem, ons sal offer wat jy vra: ons sal lewe, ons sal sterwe, ons vir jou Suid Afrika”- We will answer to your calling, we will offer what you ask, we will live, we will die. We for Thee South Africa. I crave nothing more than a free Afrikaner people in our own country but there the dream quite literally becomes a night mare:~(. It is not the blacks we could and cannot master it was and still is the international Jew and his western lapdogs that he put on us who refused to bow to his will of a mongrelised society that broke our back:mad. Not by sanctions but from within. Teaching his Marxist religion to a race of parrots to whom the idea was perfectly instep with their wants in life for I believe they have no ambition as a people for creating a culture, they merely feed off a host.

The Bitter reality is that all Germanics are in this together, our fates are intertwined much more than our friend Ossi would like to admit, if this fight is to be fought and won then decent within the ranks (Which is a well known tool of the International Jew) has no place:thumbsdwn. A simple principle of war is that a fragmented army is virtually impotent and will fall with the first hammer blow, I believe this to be true of Germanics today. Ossi if you would prefer to be blind to the mammoth task and only busy yourself with the preservation of Germans then you are free to do so but to say that it was my choice to leave Europe and thus I should fight this fight alone is absurd, ever herd of a film called Ohm Krüger? That should make it abundantly clear what the Reich’s attitude was towards Afrikaners. My fight is for you, me and every persone like me. Isn’t this notion of solidarity in essence that which sets us Germanics apart from the rest of the races? The only reason I would relocate to Europe would be to assist in the liberation of my people Afrikaner, Dutch, German or Flemish - it’s all the same to me. If the one has a future the other will have too. I would not want to intermingle my culture with yours because then the Afrikaner will disappears and I would have lost:~(, rather my goal is to secure my peoples future. I agree we are different but only as one brother differs from the other. Pertaining to Huguenot blood as far as I could ascertain was not part of the Romanized French and are more closely akin to Alpine races like the Swiss (I stand to be corrected), to the mixing with the English you refer to I say that has only started to occur in the most recent times and should be stopped ASAP but I think it is quite irrelevant as I don’t think that there the Germans are entirely above reproach, it might not be you but your kin just the same:thumbdown. Lastly if one would look at history the last bastion that stood the longest against the Marxist snakes was South Afrika as Wikingsdonner pointed out when we had the power we helped the Germans when and how we could, in the 1914 Rebellie we Afrikaners learned of the Unions plans to attack Duitswes Afrika (Sovereign German Soil) under order from Britain consequently the National Party was formed, later a boer was Executed by firing squad for attempting to warn Duitswes Afrika, A host of Afrikaners where imprisoned for refusing to take up arms against Germans.

I thank Stormraaf, Wikingsdonner and RoyBatty for their invaluable insight and contribution on this prickly subject.:thumbup

I Believe that if our Dutch and German ancestors had known what was lying in wait for our future they would not have left Europe.

Yet I will not have it any other way. Een Dracht Maakt Magt!

South Africa is my country and I will sooner die for this then jump ship, lost cause or de not.:wsg

Nachtengel
Wednesday, July 15th, 2009, 06:16 AM
What if the American neo-con is Germanic, too? ;)
Then obviously no. Afrikaners are generally racialist people with the right attitude. Living next door to the Negro has taught them much of life's racial realities.

White Africa
Sunday, July 26th, 2009, 08:32 AM
I'm not European, so I can't vote. But I think the Germanic community in South Africa should not leave wholly. South Africa isn't a pure black country. We have just as much right to be here.

Horagalles
Sunday, July 26th, 2009, 06:41 PM
I'm not European, so I can't vote. But I think the Germanic community in South Africa should not leave wholly. South Africa isn't a pure black country. We have just as much right to be here.It doesn't explicitely stipulate that only Europeans may vote.

You are however right that South Africa isn't really "one country"(with ethnic minorities). It is a amalgamation of different nations with their own (not always clearly defined) territories.

White Africa
Sunday, July 26th, 2009, 07:53 PM
It doesn't explicitely stipulate that only Europeans may vote.
Oh, I see. Well in that case, I don't oppose immigration to Europe, but I would prefer if my White countrymen stayed and fought over here.

Horagalles
Sunday, July 26th, 2009, 09:56 PM
Oh, I see. Well in that case, I don't oppose immigration to Europe, but I would prefer if my White countrymen stayed and fought over here.... That sums it up:thumbup.

I've got a problem with people that just look for the easiest way out and are not ready to work on solutions.

FearingAfrica
Tuesday, November 23rd, 2010, 03:45 PM
If white South Africans get the opportunity to get asylum in Europe (!) would they be able to choose the country to go to? I can assume it would in many cases be Dutch speaking ...

Donnerschall
Tuesday, November 23rd, 2010, 04:39 PM
I doubt that they would get asylum. Read my introduction, my first post on skadi.

Gerhardt Maritz
Tuesday, November 23rd, 2010, 04:51 PM
Holland. Germany, France and the UK are mainly the origin of the Afrikaners. That exclude the brown crowd that refer to themselves as Afrikaanses. They were made by us in Africa. From a language point of view Flanders in Belgium would seem to be closest to home as Flemish and Afrikaans is almost identical.
Is'nt the mere thought of it a wonderfull idea?

Donnerschall
Tuesday, November 23rd, 2010, 07:20 PM
Gerhardt (my attorneys name in Windhoek was a Gerhardt Maritz).
I have travelled the world and I wouldn´t say I know it, but since I have served years in SA, I believe my eye was trained to detect things. I believe the threat and of course the onslaught on us is much more open already in SA, but it is everywhere and especially against Germanic people.
The German and Afrikaner Boer is to the NWO, the main enemy and the staunchest opponent, but eventually it comes down to it that once we in SA or Germany have lost, the white man has lost all together. I was believing till three days ago, that maybe the Russians are still tough enough to stand up against the onslaught but the news that they will now slowly be integrated into the NATO is causing serious doubts. Strange enough it was a Russian colleague who warned me against my notion, as his country to be still against the NWO.
The other danger is the derooting of people. It takes a long time to be accepted in a community, even though I have family in Europe, and we were upkeeping our family relation from generation to generation. Three of my mothers uncles returned to Germany when Germany was in dire need. Two never returned from battle, serving in the Brandenburger Division was not peanuts as most voluntary Southwesters were doing. My grandparents sold a house, would be worth millions today, to send food pacels after the war. Even with all that there still is a deep mistrust, ingrained by seventy years of propaganda against themselves and us later. A lot of them would rather turn against you, "white racist", than against the criminals and it doesn´t appear to change even though from day to day it is getting worse here (in Europe) aswell. I seldom watch TV and by coincidence, as I was zapping through the channels they had a head of some "Gerichtsmedizinischem Labor in München"(Forensic laboratory) in a talk show. He was saying that although crime was getting more and although they are already understaffed, the Federal Republic is busy closing half the laboratories in the whole country. Where is this going to lead to? Who is behind this crazyness? A huge percentage of serious crime is not solved in Germany.
Another man (liberal) that I met on a course, whose mother is working in Berlin with the crime statistics, told me that if the real statistics would be made public, the NPD would win the next election with 80%, and thats the reason why they can´t make it public, can you believe this? The same was in South Africa, if the public were better informed they wouldn´t have voted "yes", for the negotiation with ANC in the referendum. The majority would have voted for the HNP, not even for the CP, who imo were part of the conspiracy to weaken the HNP.
I don´t advice people to come to Europe. Is their no way to move to a village in the rural area like western Tvl, northern Cape, there are areas where people are more alert and assist each other, of course not everybody is helping everybody but apparently this has improved alot . There must be some family you get along with, whom you can trust. Afrikaans familys are normally big aren´t they?
As a Maritz I wouldn´t have a problem with this infact I consider those I have met as trusworthy.
The NWO wants everybody to be derooted, everybody should be a refugee somewhere, as refugees can´t defend themselves at all. The EU is taking more and more influence, even if the countries goverments want to change anything they are not able. The EU has decided to let in a half a million blacks from Africa yearly.They already have offices in Mali and the Canary Islands for this purpose more offices will be opened soon in other countries.

The next thing is they will tell the gullible Europeans, its all their fault; the blacks can´t survive in Africa as a result of climate change, caused by the white man industry. And since they´ll feel guilty they will let them in feed them let them procreate with their daughters. Apocalypse pure!

Thorwolf
Tuesday, November 23rd, 2010, 08:10 PM
I can't speek for Europeans, but find your way down to Texas, We have plenty of land, and we could use some more white imigrants, instead of Mexican ones. I would much rather live next to a Germanic from South Africa, than someone from Mexico.

VitkiValkyrie
Wednesday, November 24th, 2010, 01:56 AM
The white race is like a wounded animal. We are being forced into a corner...and sooner or later a cornered wild wounded animal turns around and attacks. Perhaps the NWO is trying to slowly foment a race war; hoping the whites will wipe out the useless eaters of the third world (without whites there wont be much of a world for them to rule). But to get the peaceful whites to fight for survival and annihilate the blacks, we have to be exposed to their savagery untill all of us have had enough. Blacks dead and white survivors weakened by war losses, ready to accept the NWO as saviour.

SpearBrave
Wednesday, November 24th, 2010, 02:18 AM
I can't speek for Europeans, but find your way down to Texas, We have plenty of land, and we could use some more white imigrants, instead of Mexican ones. I would much rather live next to a Germanic from South Africa, than someone from Mexico.

I have lived next to South African and he was a very decent man. Devoted to his family, hard working, clean, and got along good with everybody. These are the type of immigrants that made America the others are just destroying it.

DerWeißeWehrwolf
Wednesday, November 24th, 2010, 02:32 AM
I can't speek for Europeans, but find your way down to Texas, We have plenty of land, and we could use some more white imigrants, instead of Mexican ones. I would much rather live next to a Germanic from South Africa, than someone from Mexico.

Im looking to move out of california. I know texas has great hunting & white women too. But what part of texas is mostly white?

The Aesthete
Wednesday, November 24th, 2010, 07:13 AM
Sadly Afrikaans families are getting smaller and smaller, they now have a birth rate below replacement level

Insulated themselves amongst their own people or get out

Horagalles
Wednesday, November 24th, 2010, 08:33 AM
Sadly Afrikaans families are getting smaller and smaller, they now have a birth rate below replacement level
...There are quite some families with three or four children that I know. And I'd estimate that Afrikaner families are at average bigger then European ones. However someone a bit older then me with a big family told me how he and his wife were shunned upon in the eighties by other Whites for having so many children (then five or six). Aparently they thought that decent people don't have more then two children.
That just shows you what the attitude was/is.

Thorwolf
Wednesday, November 24th, 2010, 03:22 PM
Im looking to move out of california. I know texas has great hunting & white women too. But what part of texas is mostly white?

Just stay out of the major urban centers, and you should be fine.[Dallas, Houston, Austin, El paso]

Sterkspies
Wednesday, November 24th, 2010, 07:25 PM
I can't speek for Europeans, but find your way down to Texas, We have plenty of land, and we could use some more white imigrants, instead of Mexican ones. I would much rather live next to a Germanic from South Africa, than someone from Mexico.

I love South Africa, but if things get much worse, I desperately want to make my way down to Texas. Seems there are lotsa Odnists there too, which is great for me and then a nice Fishing/Hunting/BBQ type culture which I am very fond of, nevermind my love for Country/Southern music. My uncle lives in Houston and he likes it even there, but he is reasonably moderate, so I assume there are some nice smaller (read : whiter) towns where I could live a nice life.

Horagalles
Thursday, November 25th, 2010, 01:27 PM
I love South Africa, but if things get much worse, I desperately want to make my way down to Texas. Seems there are lotsa Odnists there too, which is great for me and then a nice Fishing/Hunting/BBQ type culture which I am very fond of, nevermind my love for Country/Southern music. My uncle lives in Houston and he likes it even there, but he is reasonably moderate, so I assume there are some nice smaller (read : whiter) towns where I could live a nice life.
And believe me, they will. Just that it is also applicable to the US.
What do you mean by "reasonably moderate"?

Sterkspies
Friday, November 26th, 2010, 09:41 AM
And believe me, they will. Just that it is also applicable to the US.
What do you mean by "reasonably moderate"?

Yeah, I agree the US will also get worse to the point maybe where South Africa is now, but we are already down here. It is basically going to become a "fight or flight" scenario and when it happens, my natural instincts will kick in.

My uncle used to be in the AWB when he was much younger, but about 20 years ago he had a major religious rebirth and become a heavily devoted Christian. He then thought it was bad to treat his fellow man badly for any reason, so he has learned to tolerate blacks, but he will, for instance, be very upset if his daughter wants to marry one, hence "resonably moderate".

Witta
Friday, November 26th, 2010, 10:14 AM
That the western media and governments give the ethnic cleansing of whites from Africa by blacks little importance is twisted and damning. What is required are protests, but the only people who care are too radical and unpalitable to the public.

Donnerschall
Friday, November 26th, 2010, 12:13 PM
@Sterkspies #54
Your story is very common in South Africa.
My uncle used to be in the AWB when he was much younger, but about 20 years ago he had a major religious rebirth and became a heavily devoted Christian. He then thought it was bad to treat his fellow man badly for any reason, so he has learned to tolerate blacks, but he will, for instance, be very upset if his daughter wants to marry one, hence "reasonably moderate".

This is unfortunate, and a reason why I despise the churches in SA altogether, they have become the only place of refuge.

What we need more than ever is, groups that form communitys, like here in Skadi (altough this is a cyber), were people can find soul mates companions, partners, who do also have an ear for other problems outside the party politic environment. People need communities they need tribes. (not be part of a goy herd).

The best is to convince firstly your own family, brothers, sisters, cousins, nephews, the older generation if they haven´t come to your conclusions are mostly a waist of time, since they are the worst brainwashed. They will go along later anyway once they realized they are getting lonely.

Unfortunately all forums participators stay faceless, which has a negative impact, but due to political persecutions impossible otherwise.

A problem not only applicable to SA, is the far too often migration of people due to economic/ financial consideration. An old German proverb says "Dreimal umgezogen, ist wie einmal abgebrand" meaning, moving three times is like having your property burned down once. Imo this "forced" migration, is also part of the NWO, since even if you move to Texas to an predominantly white decent neighbourhood, you will never have the bond which you would have with the people you grew up with, as distrust to foreigners will always be. The distrust weakens the community, but is an natural defense mechanism, which the enemy is exploiting to his advantage.
You will also have an financial setback which you will very seldom make up. You will have to enslave yourself again with credit, thus becoming indebted to financial institutions (another tool to weaken you). Another reason why SA whites are weak is their debts, almost every white household or business is enslaved to the banks.
USA is even worse, in this respect.
Imo by migrating or immigrating you are playing into the hands of our enemy. And do consider the financial or economic crisis caused by especially the US is far from over. Imo it hasn´t yet started, as the huge debt has been paid not by products, but by more debt. The bubble still has to burst.

flâneur
Friday, November 26th, 2010, 01:36 PM
Yeah, I agree the US will also get worse to the point maybe where South Africa is now, but we are already down here. It is basically going to become a "fight or flight" scenario and when it happens, my natural instincts will kick in.


Dont waste your time or energy fighting the inevitable.Move your white self back to Europe and have lots of kids.

Horagalles
Friday, November 26th, 2010, 02:36 PM
...
My uncle used to be in the AWB when he was much younger, but about 20 years ago he had a major religious rebirth and become a heavily devoted Christian. He then thought it was bad to treat his fellow man badly for any reason, so he has learned to tolerate blacks, but he will, for instance, be very upset if his daughter wants to marry one, hence "resonably moderate".Not to be judgemental about your uncle, but frankly, that kind of "religious rebirth" were the person suddenly becomes an emotional booi-hugger is more then suspicious to me. Especially how the churches had this kind of turnaround during the eighties. "Apartheid" first was just fine, but then, when the political tide was turning, the Holy Spirit revealed to them that it was all wrong. Did the "Holy Spirity" lie to them previously? And how did they know that he's telling the truth now?

Anyway, there is the difference with European Whites, but less with Americans. For South Africans religious issues are of far higher importance then elsewhere.

Uberman
Friday, November 26th, 2010, 03:55 PM
Im looking to move out of california. I know texas has great hunting & white women too. But what part of texas is mostly white?

The best place to live in Texas is the hill country. It is almost etirely Germanic, beautiful land, beautiful women, no liberals. You're welcome to come as long as you don't vote Democrat. A lot of liberals have ruined their own state's economies and are now moving here, and bringing their votes with them. But I doubt you would be one of them, being on Skadi.

Back to South Africans...
Why move to Europe? Ossi is right, each European country is unique and interesting. And the Europeans are proud of the cultures of their respective countries.
Furthermore, Europe is already overpopulated, meaning there is nothing they can do to reverse the demographic trends in their countries. Boosting their birth rate may not be an option for them. Europe is doomed. Why make the same mistake your ancestors did? One day your decendents will be minorities in a muslim land. I would never let my children move to a country that will one day be islamic.
You really should come to Texas. We are both outcasted colonists. We both have mixed ancestry. And you would be very welcome here.
In Germany, you would know that half the population doesn't want you there. And not just the ultra right-wing nationalists. I appreciate Ossi's comments on this thread because he has the guts to say what most of the Europeans think but are affraid to say. We should not take it personally. I think he really is concerned about Germanics everywhere, but he should and does put his own country first. Germany is for the Germans, and Holland is for the Dutch. And America is for the colonists.

flâneur
Friday, November 26th, 2010, 06:33 PM
Europe is doomed.

So the best thing to do then is move away from a land ruled over by a nigger and move to another land ruled over by a nigger.....nice logic.

The demographics are worse for you than they are for us believe me......so get used to calling your grandkids "heysus" or "jose" etc.;)

Thorwolf
Friday, November 26th, 2010, 07:08 PM
We shall see! my family has managed to live here since 1638, and we haven't mixed with anyone. Besides, how will you change what is going to happen. I know how we will!

Mrs vonTrep
Friday, November 26th, 2010, 07:21 PM
I know that many Afrikaner men want to stay and fight - and I understand this. But would it be an option for the Afrikaners to send their women and children to Europe in the meantime if it gets really bad, to keep them safe(r) here..?

Horagalles
Friday, November 26th, 2010, 07:42 PM
I know that many Afrikaner men want to stay and fight - and I understand this. But would it be an option for the Afrikaners to send their women and children to Europe in the meantime if it gets really bad, to keep them safe(r) here..?
How'd this be an improvement? In all likelihood the, when thing go bad here, this will corelate with a world crisis increasing any uncertainty. The big advantage of South Africa is that vast portions of the country are actually inaccessible to a mob leaving large spaces of "save areas".

FearingAfrica
Saturday, November 27th, 2010, 11:10 AM
A life in Africa is largely a wasted life, because, not matter what you build up, the indigenous people will break it down.

We are tired. Some of us are in our fifties and older. So, many of us can no longer offer many years of sharing our expertise. Our money is not worth so much anymore, so we will probably almost starve in a first world country.

If ARAMCO would nowadays abandon its employees in SAUDI the way the Netherlands abandoned our forefathers in South Africa, there would be an outcry. When the Swizz allegedly pushed the Jews back into NAZI hands (this is a story that I heard) there is an outcry. But, when we, the ones that helped to set up Europe's trade with the far east, get slaughtered, we get abandoned ... yet again.

Kindly please advise.

RoyBatty
Saturday, November 27th, 2010, 04:59 PM
FearingAfrica, the law of the jungle = the strong rule and the weak are oppressed. We were guilty of the sin of stupidity. Now we're paying that price.

I know the situation sucks but it's pointless complaining. The only ones who can help us is us. I don't see much evidence of a credible Afrikaner resistance (passive resistance) against ZOG / ANC and outside exploitation and oppression. If we can't even organise amongst ourselves what use is it to waste time complaining about our former Colonial Masters who abandoned us long ago?

Remember these same forces are now abandoning and enslaving their own people in the same way that they did to us. The only hope that remains is to foster a kind of pan-Germanicism around the world wherever our people are. Perhaps make loose alliances with other non-Germanic Europeans. It's in our interests to do so imo.

Uberman
Sunday, November 28th, 2010, 02:07 AM
So the best thing to do then is move away from a land ruled over by a nigger and move to another land ruled over by a nigger.....nice logic.

The demographics are worse for you than they are for us believe me......so get used to calling your grandkids "heysus" or "jose" etc.

The reason I say Europe is doomed and we are not is because, as Ossi said in his post, Europe is already overpopulated, so Europeans can not have more children to improve their demographics. Texas, on the other hand, is not overpopulated. We still have hope. We can increase our birth rate to better absorb our minority populations while still maintaining our culture. Besides, whose minorities would you rather have, Europe's Muslims, Africa's Africans, or Texas' Hispanics? And while whites are still a higher % of the population in Europe, your white people are all old. Look at your school children. When your old people die off, and these children are grown, your minorities will be a larger share of your population than ours. I'd say our future looks a lot brighter than Europe's.
By the way, Texas doesn't have very many blacks outside of Dallas and Houston. We are mostly white and hispanic. Furthermore, it is quite normal to see white families in Texas with 3 or 4 children. This is extremely rare in Europe. We are willing to have children, Europeans are not.

SpearBrave
Sunday, November 28th, 2010, 02:38 AM
So the best thing to do then is move away from a land ruled over by a nigger and move to another land ruled over by a nigger.....nice logic.


We are not ruler over by anyone, we are governed by a negro and that's only temporary.:P



The demographics are worse for you than they are for us believe me......so get used to calling your grandkids "heysus" or "jose" etc.;)

One thing most demographic studies fail at is taking geography into account, America is much larger than most Europeans suspect and our non-Germanics are centered in the urban areas. There is less contact between races that you might suspect.

There is also the age demographics and Germanic families here have more children than those in Europe.

I think South Africans can start their own communities here in the states much in the same way the Amish are yet with technology and using their language/culture as common bond to hold them together instead of religion.

They could have their owns schools, stores and businesses.

I understand why some would want to stay and fight, and I would be one of those if I were in that same situation.

Sterkspies
Sunday, November 28th, 2010, 10:46 AM
Not to be judgemental about your uncle, but frankly, that kind of "religious rebirth" were the person suddenly becomes an emotional booi-hugger is more then suspicious to me. Especially how the churches had this kind of turnaround during the eighties. "Apartheid" first was just fine, but then, when the political tide was turning, the Holy Spirit revealed to them that it was all wrong. Did the "Holy Spirity" lie to them previously? And how did they know that he's telling the truth now?

Anyway, there is the difference with European Whites, but less with Americans. For South Africans religious issues are of far higher importance then elsewhere.

That's precisely the reason that I think one of the largest contributing factors to the situation we find ourselves in is churches like NG etc. People follow the church blindly and they are all still on their knees praying for our nation with Angus Buchan (who is making millions of Rands from these spiritually hungry people, bloody vulture), instead off getting of their knees, finding their strength and fighting back.

I have turned my back on Christianity a long time ago and I have since lived a much stronger, individual and fulfilled life. I'm not saying that all Christians should turn their backs on their faith, it is a personal matter.

Sterkspies
Sunday, November 28th, 2010, 10:57 AM
Dont waste your time or energy fighting the inevitable.Move your white self back to Europe and have lots of kids.

Already tried that mate. Lived in England for 6 years, couldn't stand it anymore. I moved back here because I wanted to, not because I had to.

I still think it is better for me here than in the UK in many respects. for instance I found a very good paying job here very easily after moving back, so I was lucky. Unfortunately, the college stopped offering the Course I was teaching, so I am currently unemployed, except for the small income I make playing Music in bars. Read : South Africa has treated ME better, I'm not saying South Africa is great for everyone.

Another thing I like about South Africa, especially Pretoria is that it is a lot less PC than the UK and we are allowed White Nationalist Radio stations (like Radio Pretoria, which I find very entertaining except for their overly Christian ideals), groups like the AWB advertise openly, have speeches openly, it doesn't have to be hidden under a net of secrecy.

I also like wide open spaces and can't live in an overcrowded country.

The list goes on and on, hence when "fight or flight" comes, I'm either going to stay here and fight with my countrymen IF (and I have discussed this on this forum before) we are ORGANISED, CENTRALISED and if I know that my wife and mother will be kept safely somewhere whilst I'm out there. BUT if I have the choice to move, I'd rather move to a place with more space and a culture that is similar to mine

Sterkspies
Sunday, November 28th, 2010, 11:04 AM
The best place to live in Texas is the hill country. It is almost etirely Germanic, beautiful land, beautiful women, no liberals. You're welcome to come as long as you don't vote Democrat. A lot of liberals have ruined their own state's economies and are now moving here, and bringing their votes with them. But I doubt you would be one of them, being on Skadi.

Back to South Africans...
Why move to Europe? Ossi is right, each European country is unique and interesting. And the Europeans are proud of the cultures of their respective countries.
Furthermore, Europe is already overpopulated, meaning there is nothing they can do to reverse the demographic trends in their countries. Boosting their birth rate may not be an option for them. Europe is doomed. Why make the same mistake your ancestors did? One day your decendents will be minorities in a muslim land. I would never let my children move to a country that will one day be islamic.
You really should come to Texas. We are both outcasted colonists. We both have mixed ancestry. And you would be very welcome here.
In Germany, you would know that half the population doesn't want you there. And not just the ultra right-wing nationalists. I appreciate Ossi's comments on this thread because he has the guts to say what most of the Europeans think but are affraid to say. We should not take it personally. I think he really is concerned about Germanics everywhere, but he should and does put his own country first. Germany is for the Germans, and Holland is for the Dutch. And America is for the colonists.

I would never vote Democrat. Even Republican is too left wing for me!! I agree with the "outcast colonist" scenario. It is in the blood of some Germanic people to want to stay in their cold, crowded but beautiful homelands and then it is in the nature of others to move away somwhere else, to the wide open spaces of a bigger country, Being an Afrikaner, I am descendant of those who have moved away from Europe, so that way of thinking is in my blood. Don't get me wrong Europe is beautiful and I would visit it again anyday.

Sterkspies
Sunday, November 28th, 2010, 11:17 AM
@Sterkspies #54


, since even if you move to Texas to an predominantly white decent neighbourhood, you will never have the bond which you would have with the people you grew up with, as distrust to foreigners will always be. .

The thing is, I am treated like a foreigner here as well. The people that I grew up with have all changed a too much and so have I. Firstly, I married an English (British English, not South African English) girl and because of that many of my own people treat me like a foreigner. Secondly, I am not Christian and that is even worse than marrying an English girl. Now I know that in Texas and the Southern States, Christianity still plays a huge role, I know for a fact that there are a lot more Odinists and Odinists hearths there. I know there are a lot of Odinists in Europe and Britain, but see my other posts about the topic of living in Europe.

Another big, third, reason is that I am in the music industry, and play music that can be described as Country/Southern Rock and in South Africa you do not get anywhere in the Music industry unless you play Afrikaner pop rubbish like Kurt Darren or Indie/Alternative Rock. There are people around here that like Country music, but they don't want to hear any new compositions they just wanna hear "Amanda", "The Gambler" and "Gypsy Woman".

I still have a lot in common with my Boer people and would still call myself a Boere Afrikaner, but I am afraid that many others won't.

Old Winter
Sunday, November 28th, 2010, 11:23 AM
The reason I say Europe is doomed and we are not is because, as Ossi said in his post, Europe is already overpopulated, so Europeans can not have more children to improve their demographics. Texas, on the other hand, is not overpopulated. We still have hope. We can increase our birth rate to better absorb our minority populations while still maintaining our culture.

Absorb ?



Besides, whose minorities would you rather have, Europe's Muslims, Africa's Africans, or Texas' Hispanics?

Same shit.



And while whites are still a higher % of the population in Europe, your white people are all old. Look at your school children. When your old people die off, and these children are grown, your minorities will be a larger share of your population than ours. I'd say our future looks a lot brighter than Europe's.
By the way, Texas doesn't have very many blacks outside of Dallas and Houston. We are mostly white and hispanic. Furthermore, it is quite normal to see white families in Texas with 3 or 4 children. This is extremely rare in Europe. We are willing to have children, Europeans are not.

Black or African American: 11.5%

White Americans are the racial majority in Texas. However, non-Hispanic whites represent roughly 48% of the population; therefore, Texas is a minority-majority state.

Ethnic west Europeans are the minority in Texas, have fun.

Sterkspies
Sunday, November 28th, 2010, 11:27 AM
PLease people, remember that this is the South African section of the Skadi forum, let's not make this thread a USA vs Europe one :D:D

Donnerschall
Sunday, November 28th, 2010, 12:01 PM
Sterkspies Is Dr. Dussi or Dr. Nordbruch still around?
They´ll be glad to get to know you, if you aren´t acquainted with them yet! They are good open minded trustworthy people who also need more like us in their surrounding, also you will meet more people.
The earlier you get to know them, the better, as time is getting less.
We shall have to consolidate, the bomb is ticking, we have no time to loose!

The Aesthete
Sunday, November 28th, 2010, 12:39 PM
Sterkspies Australia sounds like your kind of place

I married an English (British English, not South African English) girl and because of that many of my own people treat me like a foreigner

Such an attitude will see us divided and conquered

Uberman
Sunday, November 28th, 2010, 05:12 PM
Let me clarify...
I don't actually think Germany is doomed. It is only doomed if the Germans won't boost their birth rate out of fear of over-population. But with a fertility rate of 1, over-population should be the least of their concerns. They should be more concerned about being overtaken by Muslims. And the ONLY solution is to boost their birth rate. The Muslim population in Germany is already large enough that there can be no political solution such as passing laws to kick them out of the country or preventing them from having children. There are enough of them now to swing elections, and the situation is rapidly getting worse. And we already know the situation will continue to get worse for the next 18 years, as these children have already been born.
I didn't mean to start an argument over whose country is better. I like Germany very much. And if the Germans will stop being apathetic, and start reproducing, Germany will be a great place for the decendants of South Africans to live. But the fact would still remain that many Germans don't want South Africans to move there, And Texans would love to have them.

As for the black portion of our population... as I said before, they mostly live in Dallas and Houston. Outside of these cities, there aren't that many of them.

Thorwolf
Sunday, November 28th, 2010, 05:13 PM
The thing is, I am treated like a foreigner here as well. The people that I grew up with have all changed a too much and so have I. Firstly, I married an English (British English, not South African English) girl and because of that many of my own people treat me like a foreigner. Secondly, I am not Christian and that is even worse than marrying an English girl. Now I know that in Texas and the Southern States, Christianity still plays a huge role, I know for a fact that there are a lot more Odinists and Odinists hearths there. I know there are a lot of Odinists in Europe and Britain, but see my other posts about the topic of living in Europe.

Another big, third, reason is that I am in the music industry, and play music that can be described as Country/Southern Rock and in South Africa you do not get anywhere in the Music industry unless you play Afrikaner pop rubbish like Kurt Darren or Indie/Alternative Rock. There are people around here that like Country music, but they don't want to hear any new compositions they just wanna hear "Amanda", "The Gambler" and "Gypsy Woman".

I still have a lot in common with my Boer people and would still call myself a Boere Afrikaner, but I am afraid that many others won't.


I don't think this would be a big problem in Texas, many of them are Christian, but more and more every day realise the folly.

as far as the foreigner thing, we are all foreigners here, some german, some Irish, some dutch, some czech. we have mininites, all kinds.

Texas, does have alot of mexicans, but we know how to keep them in line.

Old Winter
Sunday, November 28th, 2010, 07:57 PM
Let me clarify...
I don't actually think Germany is doomed. It is only doomed if the Germans won't boost their birth rate out of fear of over-population. But with a fertility rate of 1, over-population should be the least of their concerns. They should be more concerned about being overtaken by Muslims. And the ONLY solution is to boost their birth rate. The Muslim population in Germany is already large enough that there can be no political solution such as passing laws to kick them out of the country or preventing them from having children/

Why are you only talking about one religion group, having more children will not solve anything, flushing the toilet will solve the problem.

Horagalles
Sunday, November 28th, 2010, 08:34 PM
Let me clarify...
I don't actually think Germany is doomed. It is only doomed if the Germans won't boost their birth rate out of fear of over-population. ...And if the Germans will stop being apathetic, and start reproducing, Germany will be a great place for the decendants of South Africans to live.....
Not doomed, just extrapolating the present trend and then it doesn't look that good within the next 20 years. That's when most forum members will be either middle aged or retired.
As for boosting population growth of Germans or other Whites, I don't see that happen as long as there isn't something drastical event.
Right now your visible upper middle class is keen on having children late and limiting the number. The other classes below them just emulate that trend.

What you would need is a revolutionary situation in Europe. The spark off could be the conflict with the Islamic/Arab world.

Old Winter
Tuesday, November 30th, 2010, 07:57 AM
Why are you only talking about one religion group, having more children will not solve anything, flushing the toilet will solve the problem.

Well ofcourse it will solve some problems, but not the whole problem.

Vignir
Tuesday, November 30th, 2010, 05:07 PM
All white homelands are under pressure from growing global tyranny but in "America" our rights are set in stone and not only set in our hearts but in our culture!

Here unlike any Nation on the planet we have the right to destroy any current system that tries to enslave its citizens aka "U.S.constitution & Texas Constitution" that have long since earned this soil by the spilling of our own families blood for a better today and tomorrow!
At least when South Afrikaners join our communities here, we can have a greater chance at once again securing our peoples and our children s tomorrows...

I for one welcome these farmers and fighters from their anti-white oppressed lands:thumbup

Sterkspies
Tuesday, November 30th, 2010, 09:55 PM
All white homelands are under pressure from growing global tyranny but in "America" our rights are set in stone and not only set in our hearts but in our culture!

Here unlike any Nation on the planet we have the right to destroy any current system that tries to enslave its citizens aka "U.S.constitution & Texas Constitution" that have long since earned this soil by the spilling of our own families blood for a better today and tomorrow!
At least when South Afrikaners join our communities here, we can have a greater chance at once again securing our peoples and our children s tomorrows...

I for one welcome these farmers and fighters from their anti-white oppressed lands:thumbup


Yeah, since Blacks in America constantly complain about Slavery and feel so proud of their African roots and how they were torn away from their shitty, famine ridden countries to find a new home in a free nation, where they now have equal rights, let's swap all the white South Africans for the Black Americans. I wanna see how Ghetto and Gangsta they're gonna be when they get down to Kayalitsha. :D:D:D

Thorwolf
Tuesday, November 30th, 2010, 10:14 PM
I am willing to donate 10% of my pay to have this hapen!

Vignir
Wednesday, December 1st, 2010, 03:50 AM
I second that motion and will also donate to save fellow Aryans and my soil!:thumbup

SpearBrave
Wednesday, December 1st, 2010, 04:00 AM
Yeah, since Blacks in America constantly complain about Slavery and feel so proud of their African roots and how they were torn away from their shitty, famine ridden countries to find a new home in a free nation, where they now have equal rights, let's swap all the white South Africans for the Black Americans. I wanna see how Ghetto and Gangsta they're gonna be when they get down to Kayalitsha. :D:D:D

That is the best idea I have heard in long time.:thumbup

Not only would it cure our problems with negroes it sure would piss the mexicans off and they would just leave out of fear.:D

RoyBatty
Wednesday, December 1st, 2010, 08:16 AM
Some years ago Danny Glover (from the Lethal Weapon films) kept turning up in South Africa yapping on an on about how ecstatic he was to be "home". This all despite the fact that he's obviously from a different ethnic group than the locals. (DG looks more West African to me).

Strange how the fool never wasted much time to hotfoot it back to the "racist" USA so that he could be "hated on" and "oppressed" by whitey even more.

Makes one wonder :D