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Gladstone
Wednesday, February 4th, 2004, 11:54 PM
A link to the Communist Manifesto

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html


Karl Marx and Frederick Engels

Manifesto
of the Communist Party
1848

A spectre is haunting Europe -- the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.

Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?

Two things result from this fact:

I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a power.

II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the spectre of communism with a manifesto of the party itself.

To this end, Communists of various nationalities have assembled in London and sketched the following manifesto, to be published in the English, French, German, Italian, Flemish...

Descendant
Wednesday, February 4th, 2004, 11:59 PM
Communism is pretty nifty on paper but human nature dooms it to failure. Sure it would work if people wern't greedmeisters, but if that was the case there would be no need for it in the first place.

Gladstone
Thursday, February 5th, 2004, 12:13 AM
This is some rather interesting commentary on the manifesto taken from another forum.

http://www.libertyforum.org/wwwthreads.php?Cat=

Fred25
(revolutionary)
07/02/03 05:29 PM

Use your browser search feature to look up words like “family”, “women”, “workers”, etc.

Quote from the Manifesto:

“The workers have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got.”

Now search around the internet for the modern term, “Workers Without Borders”.

That’s modern Communism. That’s why we have so many “workers” being allowed into this country from Mexico and other countries. The Marxists in the government are allowing it, because it has always been one of the main goals of Marxism... that is, the abolishment of “nationalities” and “nationalism”.

Do a Google search for other groups “without borders”, or just type in “without borders” and you’ll find a lot of different Marxist organizations.

beowolf
(freedom fighter)
07/02/03 05:33 PM

Hey Fred...I think that I still have ( somewhere ) the collected works of Mao Tze Tung ( complete with the stamps about how bad they are from the INS ). Ya want them? They are boring as, hell ( 6 volumes ). I waded through them, I would suggest that no one force themselves to do the same.

Fred25
(revolutionary)
07/02/03 05:40 PM

I don’t think I want them. I’ve got one big Mao book from the ‘60s, and it’s really boring.

I would suggest that you sell your books on Ebay, but I wouldn’t want them to get into the hands of young Marxists. It might damage their minds.

laconas
(freedom fighter)
07/02/03 05:44 PM


“The workers have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got.”

Now search around the internet for the modern term, “Workers Without Borders”.

That’s modern Communism. That’s why we have so many “workers” being allowed into
this country from Mexico and other countries. The Marxists in the government are
allowing it, because it has always been one of the main goals of Marxism... that is, the
abolishment of “nationalities” and “nationalism”.

That is a great specific point. That is the goal.

Fred25
(revolutionary)
07/02/03 05:46 PM
Yes, and see the abolishment of “families” section of the Manifesto, and the “community of women” part. That’s exactly what’s going on today.

laconas
(freedom fighter)
07/02/03 05:48 PM


I would suggest that you sell your books on Ebay, but I wouldn’t want them to get into the hands of young Marxists. It might damage their minds.

I very much disagree there. I think all young people should read Marx and Mao if they have a chance. It will make the picture clearer. I'm just tired of hearing the big propaganda lie, Communism is dead.

Gladstone
Thursday, February 5th, 2004, 01:19 AM
This is a fascinating thread from another forum. The poster Fred25 is a journalist who has written for decades and is probably now retired. This is the link to the thread discussing the article (a portion of which is reproduced here). The thread gets into explanations of why it is so many organizations get turned from what ever their principle purpose might have supposed to have been originally (ie Gramsci methods) amongst other things. The article of the senator's outlines his plan to combat the rad-libs (reds, Marxist, etc); my own thinking is that after the political efforts of McCarthy failed, the American military has had every right to clear the rad-libs out of our society. The folks we deal with (ie rad-libs) have had no and have no interest at present in honoring the US Constitution.

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_history&Number=723640&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=1&vc=1&t=0

Fred Note:

In 1947 the term “fellow traveler” meant people who acted like Communists, who associated and helped Communists, and who thought like them, but who were most likely not actual members of the CP-USA, the American Communist Party. In some cases “fellow travelers” were Soviet agents, or Communists who were working under-cover.

I scanned this article from a photocopy that I received through the Inter-Library Loan System.

Collier’s Magazine, February 8, 1947


TURN THE LIGHT ON COMMUNISM

The former senator from Wisconsin speaks as one of America’s most noted liberals in outlining his program for fighting a serious menace

BY ROBERT M. LA FOLLETTE, JR.

To what extent has Commu-
nism developed in America?
To what degree does it exer-
cise influence? What can we do about
it? Are we as a Nation obligated, in
the spirit of freedom, to give free
license to Communists in their effort
to undermine the democratic process?
Can we tolerate abuse of our free in-
stitutions by those who have no loy-
alty toward them? I begin with
questions which you are asking and I
shall try to answer.

In my opinion, Communist and
fellow-traveler activities in America
have become a serious menace to our
democracy. The problem is how to
take intelligent action to combat the
menace without at the same time im-
pairing civil liberties. The major part
of the problem lies in awakening all
citizens who honestly believe in de-
mocracy to the all-important fact that
it is fatal to consort with Communists
and their fellow travelers. Association
with them in "front" organizations
creates a screen of respectability which
conceals Communistic activities.

In my long public life I have had
frequent clashes with Communists
and Communistic ideologies, some-
times on trivial matters, sometimes on
matters of principle with far-reaching
implications. My own personal ex-
periences with Communists in politics
go back to 1924. While organization
plans were being laid for my father to
run as a candidate for President, it was
learned that a Farmer-Labor-Progres-
sive convention was being called to
meet in St. Paul on June 17th. Many
of our political friends were interested
in boosting the event as an adjunct to
the La Follette campaign.

However, it developed that the con-
vention was a scheme of the Workers
(Communist) Party to use the cloak
of the local organizations that had
naively sent their names and thus to
secure a strategic position of control
among the liberal elemenlt that had
been duped into joining.

The Communist International in
Moscow gave specific approval by
cablegram which was openly re-
printed in The Daily Worker in New
York, over the signatures of William
Z. Foster and C.E. Ruthenberg, chair-
man and executive secretary, respec-
tively, of the party.

It was also
ascertained that several avowed Com-
munists had undertaken the organiza-
tional work for the convention and
had established themselves in control
of arrangements, credentials of dele-
gates and funds of the convention.

Thereupon, I urged my father to
repudiate in no uncertain terms any
connections with the St. Paul meeting
and any support from the Commu-
nists. I helped draft a letter which was
released from Atlantic City on May
26th. It contained this warning to lib-
erals: "To pretend that Communists
can work with Progressives is to de-
ceive the public...The communists
are antagonistic to the Progressive a
cause and their only purpose in joining
such a movement is to disrupt it...
(They) seek to divide, to confuse, and
to create chaos favorable to their ulti-
mate aims of revolution." ...

Scoob
Thursday, February 5th, 2004, 06:37 AM
I don't know about future Communism, which Karl Marx didn't actually write that much about! But Marx's analysis of Capitalism is excellent, and, IMO - unsurpassed.

Das Kapital is a dauntingly huge tome, but it has some surprisingly lucid passages in it.

Racialists might also be interested in what Marx wrote "On the Jewish Question." http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

Marx, like much of 19th century German philosophy (insofar as he can be considered German, since he wrote Das Kapital in England) is excellent. His works have a lot of insight into society, from one perspective - it's not a complete view. I tend to agree more with the German philosophers like Schopenhauer, Spengler, et al who emphasized the Will and its role in society and individuals.

Consider that National Socialism is Socialism. And it was an excellent system, as all socialist systems tend to be. Socialism is an economy organized rationally, people acting for the common collective good. I agree with Marx: it is a higher stage of consciousness, it is superior. It transcends selfishness. It's whythe Borg on Star Trek kick so much butt - because 2 heads think better than one (and don't fight one another, unless they are weighed down by petty emotionalism).

There is a kind of iron logic to communalist totalitarianism. Both the Soviets and the Nazis were pretty merciless towards people who were unwilling to "play by the rules" of society. The main crime of the Jews were accused of in Germany was trying to subvert German society, subvert the collective Will.

Communism is primitive North Eurasian communalism applied to a modern technological society with a diversified economy. Notice that what racialists call the "mud races" can never seem to organize themselves on a large scale. Even the Southern Europeans seem unable to maintain a stable government with a fair system of rules that all abide by. And much worse are the "banana republics" of Latin America, Southeast Asia, and Africa.

Taras Bulba
Thursday, February 5th, 2004, 01:54 PM
Socialism is indeed an effective system; it's just Marxist socialism that we must oppose.

http://thescorp.multics.org/21spengler.html

German Socialism as an Alternative to Marxism:

In the seventh article in our series on figures of the German Conservative Revolution Alexander Jacob examines the political thought of the “cultural pessimist” Oswald Spengler and the socialist writer Werner Sombart

Today, when Marxism has become accepted as a reputable political system, it would be salutary to revive the conservative reaction to this messianic doctrine that is evidenced in the writings of German intellectuals at the turn of the century. While Marxism made steady inroads into the social structure of the German population through its high-sounding Hegelian dialectic and stirring slogans addressed to the working class, genuinely German minds were indeed horrified by the economic desiccation of social life that Marxism implied, and some of the German economists and social philosophers proposed social reforms of their own that were more naturally suited to the ethical and social constitution of the German people. Of these German alternatives to Marxism, I shall present here two versions, those of Werner Sombart, and Oswald Spengler. Of these, the former called his system German Socialism and the latter Prussian Socialism. What is common to both these alternatives to Marxism is that they consider Marxism as coincidental with the question of the Jewish involvement in European society. Hence my paper will necessarily deal with the sociology of the Jews as much as with that of the Germans.

I may briefly recall that Karl Marx (1818-1883) was born in an orthodox Jewish family in the Rhineland and studied law, philosophy and history at the Universities of Bonn and Berlin. Marx began his career as a political economist in Paris through his association with the German, Friedrich Engels. His earliest economic work was the Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844 which reflected his absorption of Hegelianism, French socialism and English economics. Expelled from France in 1845, Marx moved to Brussels, where he was brought into contact with the workers' movement, for which he drafted in 1848 the influential Communist Manifesto which contained a critique of capitalism and a call for revolutionary socialism. During the Revolutions of 1848, Marx was extradited from Brussels and the remainder of his years were spent mostly in London where he was financially supported by Engels, who had by now become an affluent industrialist. His major work produced in England was Das Kapital (1867) which remains the Bible of Communism among left-wing thinkers.

The complete rejection of philosophical discussion in Das Kapital crystallises the innate defect of the Jewish mind as much as Marx's exclusive focus on economic issues in his projects for the future society of man. Believing that capitalism was a transient stage in the evolution of society since it was based on the exploitation of labour by the capitalist minority which must sooner or later be swept aside by the masses, Marx outlined a coming anarchic utopia which would be entirely free of money, social classes and even state-government. It may be noted that Marx himself was a professed anti-Semite since he considered the Jews as predominantly capitalistic in spirit, but the social system that he propounded instead was no less significative of the Jewish mentality than that of the capitalists he attacked. The cultural limitations of Marx's materialistic view of life conditioned by what he called "the mode of production of the material means of life" were, therefore, most clearly exposed by the more genuinely philosophical German sociologists such as Sombart and Spengler.

Werner Sombart (1863-1941), the economist and social philosopher is noted today for his several pioneering works on the capitalistic ethos. Although Sombart began his sociological career as a socialist in the Marxist vein, he gradually dissociated himself from the economic-orientation of Marx's social theory in favour of a more voluntarist understanding of the springs of social evolution which supported the very patriarchal and aristocratic model of society which Marx had sought to destroy. In his Die deutsche Volkswirtschaft im neunzehnten Jahrhundert (1903), Sombart turned his back on the socialist glorification of progress which he saw as destructive of the human spirit and revived the mediaeval ideal of the guild community which involved, as Mitzman summarises it, "the full absorption1 and development of the personality of the producer in his work; limited goals; and the shaping of the productive units on the model of the family community"1 . The replacement of this original organic society by the artificial "Gesellschaft", to use T”nnies' terminology, was consolidated by the interference of the Jew in Germanic society since the Jew is marked by abstract thought which is "synonymous with indifference to all qualitative values, with the inability to appreciate the concrete, individual, personal, living".2 The symbolical expression of the Jewish capacity for abstraction is money which "dissolves all use-values into their quantitative equivalents".3 The proletariat, which is the typical social product of capitalism, is the element which suffers most in the replacement of the patriarchal social ethos by the commercial, for "every community of interest is dissolved, just as every community of labour" and "bare payment is the only bond which ties the contracting parties together".4 The traditional comfort of religion too has been destroyed by capitalism which typically bolstered the Liberal intellectual movement of the Enlightenment. A further crucial difference between Sombarts's developing German Socialism and Marxism is his distinction of the capitalist into the entrepreneur and the trader in such a way that, whereas Marx attempted to overcome the entrepreneur as a historically obsolete figure, Sombart championed the creative and organisational virtue of the entrepreneurial spirit against the merely rationalising and abstracting characteristics of the trader.5 The entrepreneur thus becomes in Sombart's view the economic representative of the typical Faustian spirit of the German hero while the calculating trader is increasingly identified with the foreigner, particularly the Jews and the English.

In his war-time book, Händler und Helden (Munich, 1915), Sombart discusses the sociological significance of the war between the English and the Germans in terms of the radical difference between the "trader spirit" which aims at achieving mere "happiness" through the negative virtues of "temperance, contentedness, industry, sincerity, moderation ---, humility, patience and the like" which will facilitate a "peaceful concourse of traders", and the "heroic spirit" which aims at fulfilling the mission of life as a task of the higher self-realisation of humanity through the positive virtues of "the will to sacrifice, loyalty, inoffensiveness, reverence, valour, piety, obedience, goodness" and the "military virtues", since "all heroism was first fully developed in war and through war".6 War for the English was a chiefly commercial enterprise whereas for the German it was a defence of his soul from the deadening influence of this same commercial spirit.

However, already in his major works of 1911-1913, on Die Jüden und das Wirtschaftsleben (1911) and on the bourgeois spirit, Der Bourgeois, 1913, Sombart had shown that the modern system of commercial capitalism was due mainly not to English Protestantism, as Max Weber had proclaimed in his Protestantische Ethik und der Geist des Kapitalismus (1904-5), but to Judaism. In fact, Weber himself was forced, under the stimulus of Sombart's work, to distinguish between Protestant capitalism and the "pariah capitalism" of the Jews, a distinction which corresponds to Sombart's own historical division of the development of capitalism into early and high capitalism. While Catholicism, and particularly Thomism, had been partially influential in the development of the commercial spirit in its rationalistic, legalistic and essentially this-worldly philosophy, Sombart denied that Protestantism was synonymous with capitalism since, on the contrary, Lutheranism had at least encouraged a deepening of religious feeling. Even other forms of Protestantism were marked by a generally anti-capitalistic spirit of niggardliness and at most took over capitalistic forms from the existing economic life of the Catholics. The real source of the development of the high capitalistic stage of society is however, according to Sombart, the Jewish mind, which first introduced the chief characteristics of modern capitalism, namely the unrestricted play of the profit motive through free-trade, usurious dealings2 and ruthless business practices, especially with regard to non-Jews.

The identification of cheating in commercial transactions and exploitation of other peoples as the chief causes of the financial power of Jewry is most fully discussed by Sombart in Die Juden und das Wirtschaftsleben (Leipzig: Duncker und Humblot, 1911). The root of Jewish economics is located by Sombart in the hereditary religion itself which


“in all its reasonings appeals to us as a creation of the intellect, a thing of thought and purpose projected into the world of organisms, mechanically and artfully wrought, destined to destroy and to conquer Nature's realm and to reign itself in her stead. Just so does Capitalism appear on the scene; like the Jewish religion, an alien element in the midst of the natural, created world; like it too something schemed and planned in the midst of teeming life.”7
Capitalism indeed derives directly from the sheer profit-oriented usurious economic tradition of the Jews:

“modern capitalism is the child of money-lending --- In money-lending all conception of quality vanishes and only the quantitative aspect matters --- In money-lending economic activity as such has no meaning; it is no longer a question of exercising body or mind; it is all a question of success. Success, therefore, is the only thing that has a meaning. In money-lending the possibility is for the first time illustrated that you can earn without sweating; that you may get others to work for you without recourse to force.8

Sombart here points to the subtle form of commercial violence which constitutes the Jewish exploitative system. The Jews in general have disregarded the restraints to profit-making inherent in the traditional patterns of European economic life:

“[The Jew] paid no attention to the strict delimitation of one calling or of one handicraft from another, so universally insisted on by law and custom. Again and again we hear the cry that Jews did not content themselves with one kind of activity; they did whatever they could, and so disturbed the order of things which the guild system wished to see maintained.”9

The alien status of the Jew vis-à-vis the host peoples among whom they lived served as a contributory factor to the success of their capitalistic endeavours, for their second-class status in society only spurred them on in their natural hatred and resentment of the host peoples whereby they took advantage of non-Jews under the sanction of their so-called religious laws:

“intercourse with strangers was bereft of all considerations, and commercial morality (if I may put it so) became elastic.”10

The end result of the prevalence of the Jewish spirit in the West was the corruption of the very nature of Western man and society, for,

“Before capitalism could develop, the natural man had to be changed out of all recognition, and a rationalistically minded mechanism introduced in his stead. There had to be a transvaluation of all economic values.”11

This ruinous transformation is effected basically through the resilient adaptation of the Jew to the society in which he is resident. But this process of adaptation is an intellectually determined one and lacks the organic quality of true sympathy:

“That Lord Beaconsfield was a Conservative was due to some accident or other, or some political conjuncture; but Stein and Bismarck and Carlyle were Conservatives because they could not help it; it was in their blood.”12
Indeed, the Jews lack sympathy for

“every status where the nexus is a personal one. The Jew's whole being is opposed to all that is usually understood by chivalry, to all sentimentality, knight-errantry, feudalism, patriarchalism. Nor does he comprehend a social order based on relationships such as these. `Estates of the realm' and craft organisations are a loathing to him. Politically he is an individualist --- He is the born representative of the `liberal' view of life in which there are no living men and women of flesh and blood with distinct personalities, but only citizens with rights and duties.”13

The result is that the Jews themselves often do not seem to understand the real significance of the Jewish question and appear to think that the Jewish question is only a political or religious one, believing that

“whatever can be neatly set down on paper and ordered aright by the aid of the intellect must of necessity be capable of proper settlement in actual life.”14

With Sombart's understanding of the radical difference between the heroic Germanic spirit and the lowly Jewish commercial one it is not surprising that he identified himself with the National Socialist movement during the first years of its regime, even though he later withdrew from active participation in its programmes. In his Deutscher Sozialismus, written in 1934, Sombart reinforces this difference between the two ethoses, pointing once again to the desire of the Marxist proletariat socialism for "the greatest good of the greatest number". This utopian trait of the Marxists is evidenced especially in their championing of modern industrialism, even though it wishes for a substitution of private economic organisation with an economic-community organisation built on the social ownership of the means of production. The aim of social happiness is geared to the notion of "liberty and equality and fraternity" borrowed from the French Revolution and betrays the same resentments that impelled the first European revolution. The methods used for its realisation are the reduction of the amount of physical labour that the proletariat is subjected to through the use of machines and proper organisation involving the abolishment of the division of labour. The abolition of the centralisation of capital and the notion of private property will further enhance the prosperity of the masses. This dream of the communistic proletariat is bolstered by the idea of unending historical progress not towards a higher mankind but a "happier" one. Simultaneously all religious feelings of reverence before an other-worldly deity must be suppressed so that the people may rapidly achieve the dream of a this-worldly paradise which is, in fact, the real goal of the Jewish religion as well.
Unfortunately, this "fatal belief in progress which --- ruled the ideal world of the proletarian Socialism even more than the world of liberalism"15 is the chief cause of the inexorable decay of genuine human culture, for, as he says, "to perpetually renew, hinders all culture --- Only when in the course of history the traditions of belief, of morals, of education, and of organisation are dominant is it possible for a culture to unfold itself. For, in accordance with its very nature, culture is old, rooted, indigenous".16 The basis of all culture can be only the nation and not the state as such, for the nation is "the political association in its endeavour to attain an end --- The nation exists not because it lives in the consciousness of the individuals, but it exists as an idea in the realm of the spirit; it is `spiritual individuality".17 The people that constitute a nation are indeed an organism like the individual and possess the same origin, same historical destiny, and the same spiritual culture. It is on this cultural basis that one ought to distinguish the Jews as an alien nation. The Jews should be denied equal rights in holding leading and responsible positions, regardless of their spirit and character. He points with approval to the pre-Wilhelminian period when

"the military corps and nearly the entire internal and judicial administration, with approved exceptions, were closed against the Jews. Had this practice been retained, and had the Jews been assigned to other important fields, such as the universities, law and other activities, the German fatherland and, by no means least, the Jews themselves, would have been spared heavy afflictions".18

The solution that Sombart suggests to the Jewish question is the transformation of the institutional culture in such a way that "it will no longer serve as a bulwark for the Jewish spirit",19 that is, the "spirit of this economic age" or of bourgeois society, so that Germans themselves no longer indulge in the alien ethos foisted on them by the Jews.
The economic policy of the modern states must also be one directed in a corporative manner based on a system of estates, which will be free of the potential for exploitation in the Jewish system,

“self-interests are to be overcome and articulated in the state as a whole; nor, in such an order, does the individual find his place according to his own estimate, but receives the place assigned to him. That means the recognition of the primacy of politics. In other words, an order according to estates is not reconcilable with the principle of free enterprise and free competition. In a community in which capitalistic economy still rules, an estate system is a contradiction. Not until the state rests fundamentally upon institutions, that is, upon a legal order which imposes duties, can an estate-system fulfil its tasks.”20

The new legal order will be both hierarchical and embody a "super-individual reason" directed to the welfare of the whole; this order will be fully represented by the state. Henceforth the domain of economics will be ruled by that of politics, focused essentially in its military virtue, while in the realm of economics itself, agriculture will occupy the first rank and business the last. The leadership of a strong or authoritarian socialist state must rest in one "who receives his directions, not as an inferior from a superior leader, but only from God ... He is not required to listen to the "voice of the people", in so far as he does not recognise in it the voice of God, which can never speak from the accidental and changing totality of all citizens or indeed only from the majority19 of the citizens. The volonté générale which is to be realised is a metaphysical, not an empirical reality ... The statesman serves no popular interest, but only the national idea." Naturally the leader will be supported in his national tasks by an elite of capable officials and autonomous public bodies.
Sombart's German Socialism is indeed very indistinguishable from that of the Neo-conservatives of the Weimar Republic, Oswald Spengler, Moeller van den Bruck, or Edgar Julius Jung.21 This should only confirm the much neglected fact that what the anti-democratic and anti-liberal Germans were fundamentally fighting for in the Weimar Republic was the European ethos as opposed to the Jewish, and that German Socialism (as distinct from and irreconcilable with Marxist Socialism) is as oriented to the development of true moral culture and as hierarchically and neo-mediaevally organised as German Conservatism.22 As representative of the neo-conservative position in the Weimar Republic we may consider here the political views of Oswald Spengler (1880-1936) whose social ideal is indeed termed `Prussian Socialism' in his essay, Preussentum und Sozialismus (1919), which was a sketch of the main themes of the second part of his two-volume magnum opus, Der Untergang des Abendlandes (1918 and 1922). The burden of Spengler's argument in this essay is the difference between the so-called Marxist socialism which is based on alien, English and Jewish, understandings of society and the genuine socialism of the Prussian state. The socialism of the English is demonstrated to be a Viking-like individualism which has encouraged the colonial rapacity of the British Empire and the mercantile ruthlessness of its leaders. The Norman conquest of England had put an end to the Anglo-Saxon way of life and introduced the `piracy principle' whereby "the barons exploited the land apportioned to them, and were in turn exploited by the duke".23 The modern English and American trade companies are enchained to the same motives of profiteering:

“Their aim is not to work steadily to raise the entire nation's standard of living, it is rather to produce private fortunes by the use of private capital, to overcome private competition, and to exploit the public through the use of advertising, price wars, control of the ratio of supply and demand.”24
The French democratic notions, on the other hand, are ruled by an anarchic love of pleasure since what every individual in the French state wants is "an equality of pleasure, equal opportunity for life as a pensioner".

The Marxist doctrine, being a product of the Jewish mind, which is characterised by `resentment', is based on an envy of those who have wealth and privileges without work, and so it advocates revolt against those who possess these advantages. It is thus essentially a negative variant of the English ethos. It is not surprising, therefore, that the worker in the Marxist doctrine is encouraged to amass his own profits through private business, so that, as Spengler puts it, "Marxism is", indeed, "the capitalism of the working class". The Marxist system is indeed the "final chapter of a philosophy with roots in the English Revolution, whose biblical moods have remained dominant in English thought".25 In fact, as he goes on to say, "a biblical interpretation of questionable business dealings can ease the conscience and greatly increase ambition and initiative".26 While the industrialists engage in commerce with `money' as a commodity, the workers do the same with `work'. In the Prussian state, on the other hand, work is not a commodity but a "duty towards the common interest, and there is no gradation - this is Prussian style democratisation - of ethical values among the various kinds of work."

The Marxian solution to boundless private property is also a negative one: "expropriation of the expropriators, robbery of the robbers".27 This is based on the "English" view of capital wherein "the billionaire demands absolute freedom to arrange world affairs by his private decisions, with no other ethical standard in mind than success. He beats down his opponents with credit and speculation as his weapons." On the other hand, the Prussian sees property not as private booty but as part of a common weal, "not as a means of expression of personal power but as goods placed in trust, for the administration of which he, as a property owner, is responsible to the state". Prussian socialism is thus essentially

“not concerned with nominal property, but rather with techniques of administration --- The Old Prussian method was to legislate the formal structure of the total productive potential while guarding carefully the right to property and inheritance, and to allow so much freedom to personal talent, energy, initiative, and intellect as one might allow a skilled chess 23 player who had mastered all the rules of the game. This is largely how it was done with the old cartels and syndicates, and there is no reason why it could not be systematically extended to work habits, work evaluation, profit distribution, and the internal relationship between planners and executive personnel. Socialisation means the slow, decades-long transformation of the worker into an economic civil-servant, of the employer into a responsible administrative official with extensive powers of authority, and of property into a kind of old-style hereditary fief to which a certain number of rights and privileges are attached.28
The significance of the notion of the national state is completely ignored by Marx in his focus on `society'. On the other hand, the Prussian form of socialism is based entirely on the notion of the primacy of the state which is indeed the ideal of the Teutonic knight, diametrically opposed to the roving plunder of the Viking:

“The Teutonic knights that settled and colonised the eastern borderlands of Germany in the Middle Ages had a genuine feeling for the authority of the state in economic matters, and later Prussians have inherited that feeling. The individual is informed of his economic obligations by Destiny, by God, by the state, or by his own talent --- Rights and privileges of producing and consuming goods are equally distributed. The aim is not ever greater wealth of the individual or for every individual, but rather the flourishing of the totality.”29
While English society is devoted to `success' and wealth, the Prussian is devoted to work for a common national goal:
“The Prussian style of living --- has produced a profound rank-consciousness, a feeling of unity based on an ethos of work, not of leisure. It unites the members of each professional group - military, civil service, and labour - by infusing them with a pride of vocation, and dedicates them to activity that benefits all others, the totality, the state.”30

The individual subsumed in the totality is however marked most strikingly by "that glorious inner freedom, the libertas oboedientiae which has always distinguished the best exemplars of Prussian breeding"31. The administrative ideal that Spengler proposes for the Prussian state is, like Sombart's, corporative and hierarchical in structure:
“Let us envision a unified nation in which every one is assigned his place according to his socialistic rank, his talent for voluntary self-discipline based on inner conviction, his organisational abilities, his work potential, consciousness, and energy, his intelligent willingness to serve the common cause. Let us plan for general work conscription, resulting in occupational guilds that will administrate and at the same time be guided by an administrative council, and not by a parliament.”32
Parliamentarianism is not only inappropriate in a monarchical state such as the Prussian, but it is a tired and outmoded system which has lost the glory lent it by the `gentlemen' and aristocrats who once ruled German and British politics. Now
the institutions, the sense of tact and cautious observance of the amenities, are dying out with the old-style people of good breeding --- The relationship between party leaders and party, between party and masses, will be tougher, more transparent, and more brazen. That is the beginning of Caesarism.33
Selfish individuals employ democratic forms of parliamentarianism to make the "state" an executive organ of their own business interests, "i.e. by paying for election campaigns and newspapers and thus controlling the opinion of voters and readers". 34 Thus, democracy, in general, is an unholy alliance of urban masses, cosmopolitan intellectuals, and finance capitalists. The masses themselves are manipulated by the latter two elements through their specific agencies, the press and the parties. 35 The intelligentsia represent "abstract intelligence", not spiritual enlightenment, while the finance capitalists are supported by mobile fortunes distinct from the landed property of the true nobility. In fact, the League of Nations, the forerunner of our United Nations, is itself an instrument of big business, and is "in reality a system of provinces and protectorates whose populations are being exploited by a business oligarchy with the aid of bribed parliaments and purchased laws".36 As for the so-called `internationalism' of the modern Marxism, this is immediately recognised as a sham when one notes the diversity of races and of their responses to political movements. In fact, according to Spengler, the true `International' is
"only possible as the victory of the idea of a single race over all the others, and not as the mixture of all separate opinions into one colourless mass".37
The significance of Spengler's critique of English and Jewish ethics cannot be exaggerated, for it serves as a reminder of the importance of distinguishing between the English piracy principle and the German state idea as well as between the false 37 "socialism" of Marx and the genuine one of the Prussian. The real meaning of socialism, according to Spengler, is
“that life is dominated not by a contrast of rich and poor but by rank as determined by achievement and ability. That is our kind of freedom: freedom from the economic capriciousness of the individual.” 38
Spengler, thus like Sombart, believed in the Prussian ideal of rule, not by popular parliamentary methods, but by an elite who would, like the military officer or bureaucrat, be characterised by devotion to duty and to the common good. As he declares, "Authoritarian socialism is by definition monarchistic", for "The most responsible position in this gigantic organism ... must not be abandoned to ambitious privateers". Although Spengler welcomed Hitler's movement as indicative of the revival of the "disciplined will" of the Prussian spirit, he shied away from the question of the Jewry and criticised the National Socialists for being too materialistic in their discussions of race. Also, he believed that the National Socialists had betrayed the Prussian elitism which he favoured by turning the revolution into a mass movement
("the demagogue lives with the masses as one of themselves; the born ruler can use them, but he despises them")39
However, Spengler seems rather unaware of the elitist character of Hitler's S.S. organisation and of its characterisation by precisely that "war-like" quality that Spengler looked for in the rulers of the future ("armies, and not parties, are the future form of power"). Indeed, Spengler's view of nationalism, "together with the monarchical idea latent in it"40 as a transition to the Caesarism which he envisaged as the final outcome of the degeneracy of the modern age is also confirmed by the history of the National Socialist movement, which, to this day, believes that Hitler's effort was only a start in a continuing battle for the establishment of the hegemony of the Germanic world-view against the Jewish one - whether capitalistic or communistic.41
We will have noticed then that the German socialism of the two thinkers we have considered is essentially a moral Idea based on the strong-willed character of the Germanic race. Both thinkers, moreover, are united in their contempt of the Jew whose chief modern political representative, Marx, is responsible for the perversion of the German feeling for social justice based on mutual co-operation into an unnatural warfare between the different classes of the same nation, for the ultimate benefit of an international organisation. Sombart's anti-Semitism is more exclusively economic and, for that reason, considers institutional reorganisation as sufficient for the elimination of the Jewish economic influence on society. Spengler's recognition of the irreconciliability of the Jewish ethos with the German on a spiritual level at the same time as he rejects racialism of the blood is a contradiction which leads him to believe that once the Europeans and Americans have achieved a certain independent mastery of the new urban civilisation of the modern age the Jewish financial expertise will become superfluous and the Jews fade away as a force to reckon with:

To-day this Magian nation, with its ghetto and its religion, itself is in danger of disappearing - not because the metaphysics of the two Cultures come closer to one another (for that is impossible), but because the intellectualised upper stratum of each side is ceasing to be metaphysical at all --- The lead that this nation has enjoyed from its long habituation to thinking in business terms becomes ever less and less (vis-a-vis the American, it has already almost gone), and with the loss of it will go the last potent means of keeping up a Consensus that has fallen regionally into parts. 42
The social and political facts of the post-war world have proven Spengler tragically wrong in his underestimation of the pervasive and tenacious power of Jewry both among its host nations and in its new home in the Middle East. This power is due precisely to the success that the Jewish mentality has had in eroding the metaphysical finesse of the European mind to the materialistic and rationalistic level of the former. The danger of Marxism is that, like the Jewish race from which it arose, it is virulently opposed to national cultures and to the natural, hierarchical and autarchical ordering of European society. It is hardly surprising that these anti-nationalistic traits persist in European society today, if not under the guise of communism as in the earlier part of this century, still under that of liberal democracy, for the Jews are able through the latter system, even more freely than in communism, to continue to foster intellectual and cultural corruption, as well as the consequent social dissatisfaction, in such a way as to benefit and perpetuate their own sterile commercial existence as an international power. The remedy to this problem, it must be realised sooner or later, lies in the reversion to more authentic versions of European socialism than those presented today and in the countering of the atomising and fragmenting tendency of the Jewish materialistic rationalism which has seeped into virtually every pore of European society since the Jewish emancipation, with the moral integrity, conservatism and organic spiritual creativity that alone were responsible for the lasting cultural achievements of the Europeans and that alone can ensure their survival in the future.
[Note: footnotes not included in online version.]

Gladstone
Saturday, February 7th, 2004, 05:39 PM
I've always thought the biggest problem with Soviet Communism is that it was too far out of whack from the human spirit, totally unnatural; treats people like machine parts. Also it seems like a system a contol freak would come up with; everything centrally directed despite what the reality might be on the ground. I read this one account of a building being built that had it's foundation below the waterline and it kept getting flooded; no matter how many times they informed the central authorities..the authorities would insist they keep trying. After many months of attempting to have concrete set underwater, they gave up.

Loved this line from another forum in reference to some of Mao's voluminous (and apparently extremely boring as well) writings this fellow was trying to get rid of :D

"I would suggest that you sell your books on Ebay, but I wouldn’t want them to get into the hands of young Marxists. It might damage their minds." LOL! :P

Moody
Tuesday, March 30th, 2004, 06:06 PM
Nothing could demonstrate the huge gulf that exists between Nationalism and Communisim than the following quote from the Communist Manifesto;

"Abolition of the family!"
[The Communist Manifesto ch2. Proletarians and Communists]

Scoob
Tuesday, March 30th, 2004, 09:54 PM
Nothing could demonstrate the huge gulf that exists between Nationalism and Communisim than the following quote from the Communist Manifesto;

"Abolition of the family!"
[The Communist Manifesto ch2. Proletarians and Communists]
Marxism tries to take primitive communalism, as practiced by many Hunter-Gatherer groups around the world (and where there is no nuclear family) - and apply it on a grand scale in modern industrialized societies.

I notice that the Brits find Communalism inherently distasteful and unnatural - far more than do other peoples. Slavs tend to be more communal, naturally. Many Russian muzhiks lived a quite collective life right up to the Soviet era, when this was taken over by the state. So do many other ethnic groups. I think the Brits overestimate the atomized ego - it is as much a worthless hindrance as it can be an asset.

Taras Bulba
Tuesday, March 30th, 2004, 10:01 PM
Marxism tries to take primitive communalism, as practiced by many Hunter-Gatherer groups around the world (and where there is no nuclear family) - and apply it on a grand scale in modern industrialized societies.

Thats their claim, but much of what they propose flies right in the face of what traditional communal societies practiced and cherised. Families and tribal loyalties always were placed on a pedastal yet Marxist communism denies both those conecpts.



I notice that the Brits find Communalism inherently distasteful and unnatural - far more than do other peoples. Slavs tend to be more communal, naturally. Many Russian muzhiks lived a quite collective life right up to the Soviet era, when this was taken over by the state. So do many other ethnic groups. I think the Brits overestimate the atomized ego - it is as much a worthless hindrance as it can be an asset.

Indeed individualism is largely an Anglo-Saxon value system.

Moody
Wednesday, March 31st, 2004, 04:16 PM
Marxism tries to take primitive communalism, as practiced by many Hunter-Gatherer groups around the world (and where there is no nuclear family) - and apply it on a grand scale in modern industrialized societies.

I notice that the Brits find Communalism inherently distasteful and unnatural - far more than do other peoples. Slavs tend to be more communal, naturally. Many Russian muzhiks lived a quite collective life right up to the Soviet era, when this was taken over by the state. So do many other ethnic groups. I think the Brits overestimate the atomized ego - it is as much a worthless hindrance as it can be an asset.

I notice you slide from 'Communism' to 'communalism' - slight difference.
I assume that hunter-gatherers operate within the aegis of the tribe, with clearly defined functions for males, females and children within that tribe.
In other words, they are not as 'communal' as supposed by westerners who look at them from the outside. Most importantly such tribes are bound by strict hierarchical taboos and superstitious rituals which are fairly incomprehensible to us.

Are we not beyond the industrialised state now in the west?
Are we not now in the technological post-industrialised consumer state, where the proletariat has been thoroughly transformed into a consumer class [rather than producer]?

As to generalising as regards Brits, Slavs etc., I hold to Nietzsche's distinction that the pre-Aryan strata in Eurasia [so covering Russia and the British Isles] are prone to communal ideas, while the Aryan ruling class are against it.
Where the Aryan ruling caste is deposed or miscegenated, then communal ideas have the lead - they reassert to pre-Aryan mores.
Where the Aryan ruling caste remains intact, then such ideas are held down and only foment in the under-classes [ressentiment].

It is noticeable that in the British civil war, for example, that many of Cromwell's followers who adhered to communist ideas [Levellers etc.,] were of the brown-haired pre-Aryan strata.
Nietzsche referred to ethnic maps of Germany and opined that regions where brown hair predominated yielded communalist ideas, and saw the revolutionary attempts of 1848 as the pre-Aryans rising against their Aryan masters.

However, Aryan caste ideas must NOT be confused with individualism!
I utterly reject that!
Social atomisation is opposed to Caste and is used as form of dissolvent by communists of all kinds who want to deconstruct the Order of Rank to create a Levelled society.

Moody
Thursday, April 15th, 2004, 05:04 PM
Some links for the Commie Manifesto;

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/manifesto/

http://marx.thefreelibrary.com/Communist-Manifesto


http://www.jrn.com.uy/imagenes/marx-engels.jpg

Ederico
Thursday, April 15th, 2004, 05:12 PM
Are we going to have a book study on it? I have read it repeatedly, but I think that it is mainly a work of propaganda.

Moody
Thursday, April 15th, 2004, 05:14 PM
I am going to make these stickies into book studies when the time comes.

This is a central text of course, and should be exposed for what it is - obviously it is not put up here as something to admire.

At the moment we are still on Der Antichrist; when that has made some progress I'll start book studies on the others.

Ederico
Thursday, April 15th, 2004, 05:17 PM
Excellent :)

Social-Nationalist
Friday, September 10th, 2004, 11:04 AM
What nonsense is this? I would advise virtually everyone here educate himself about Marxism before saying so much about it.

BTW, Karl Marx himself considered the Communist Manifesto outdated ten years after writing it.

Devilstyle
Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 03:50 PM
The dream of the rearrangement of the money on all, is not possible on today's basis and will be possible never.