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Esther_Helena
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 07:46 AM
(Stereotypes welcomed) When you hear the word "American" what do you think of? As in the people.
What I have heard Americans being associated with:
Fat
Lazy
Inconsiderate
Wasteful
Rude
Also, what makes them so, when compared to other countries? Is it true we work a lot more? And if so, how does the laziness factor into that?

Vestmannr
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 07:59 AM
I think when I hear those terms applied to Americans, they actually are describing post-Americans, iow Globalists/Internationalists.

What Americans are really:
Moral
Industrious
Courageous
Unassuming
I could go on...

G.K. Chesterton probably put it best about what the real American character was, and how it was being replaced by a new, negative culture (read his works 'What I Saw In America' and 'Sidelights'.) As long as Americans are rural and agricultural, they are good folk. Take them away from the land, and mix them with others ... then they become like the stereotype... and what people wouldnt?

Esther_Helena
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 08:26 AM
I think when I hear those terms applied to Americans, they actually are describing post-Americans, iow Globalists/Internationalists.

What Americans are really:
Moral
Industrious
Courageous
Unassuming
I could go on...

G.K. Chesterton probably put it best about what the real American character was, and how it was being replaced by a new, negative culture (read his works 'What I Saw In America' and 'Sidelights'.) As long as Americans are rural and agricultural, they are good folk. Take them away from the land, and mix them with others ... then they become like the stereotype... and what people wouldnt?
I fully agree. Especially after the 9/11 incident. I want people to look at the good side of America, not just the bad. You also have to look at which part of America one is from. For example, someone from New York will generally be different than someone from my state, North Carolina.

K0ff33
Sunday, April 18th, 2004, 12:32 PM
privledged elite.

yea we have good qualities, we must be doing sumtin right because we are a world super power.

its the TV programing that erks me. i can relate with those who hate us when i watch, say jerry springer and these gawd dammed reality shows.they see that and think that is us.

i am concerned that we have become soft so to say. yet i cant think of any country i would rather live in.

Milesian
Sunday, April 18th, 2004, 12:50 PM
I mean no disrespect, but I hear that sometimes - "Well we are the world's superpower, so we must be doing something right".

But it strikes me that perhaps that is only the case because it suits NWO / International Jewry.
America is a ZOG country, it protects Israel's interets, etc.
The USA is the Police Dept of the NWO, flexing it's military and economic muscle as needed. If somehow the USA suddenly found itself with a right-wing government opposed to ZOG, I believe America would cease being a super power pretty quickly. Jewish World finance would simply cripple the economy and find some more co-operative country to be the world's "super power", faster than it mobilsed the world against Germany during WWII.

No Empire or Superpower has lasted indefinately, I don't see much changing.

Esther_Helena
Sunday, April 18th, 2004, 07:05 PM
This is a bit off topic. I agree with something Milesian said. Superpowers don't last forever. America will fall someday, that's just how it works. I don't really understand politics, so I can't comment on the other stuff. I love my country, but I won't be sad when it falls. Chances are I'll have been long dead, but that's not the point. At the end of the day, America is just one more country. The (most) important thing isn't to try to keep it from falling once that starts, but to learn from it, and to try to build a new, better country.

Well, something like that.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 06:05 AM
I mean no disrespect, but I hear that sometimes - "Well we are the world's superpower, so we must be doing something right".

But it strikes me that perhaps that is only the case because it suits NWO / International Jewry.
America is a ZOG country, it protects Israel's interets, etc.
The USA is the Police Dept of the NWO, flexing it's military and economic muscle as needed. If somehow the USA suddenly found itself with a right-wing government opposed to ZOG, I believe America would cease being a super power pretty quickly. Jewish World finance would simply cripple the economy and find some more co-operative country to be the world's "super power", faster than it mobilsed the world against Germany during WWII.

No Empire or Superpower has lasted indefinately, I don't see much changing.


Milesian, get on an airplane, come to America, run for President. I promise you at least one vote.

Esther_Helena
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 07:35 AM
Milesian would have had to been born in America you doofus. :P

Milesian
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 09:47 AM
Milesian would have had to been born in America you doofus. :P

One more immigrant isn't going to hurt, surely :P

Allenson
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 01:45 PM
Milesian, get on an airplane, come to America, run for President. I promise you at least one vote.


Make it two! :P

I'll reply to this thread in more detail later....

Julius
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 02:05 PM
I instinctively think of people who only care about themself and their family, Walt Disney and the nice and romantic American dream. When I was younger I thought things produced in the United States and Britain came from the same country. In fact, I thought everything from the Beatles to Shakespeare originated in USA. :)


I believe most Swedes of my generation associate Americans with the positive aspects portrayed in Hollywood movies, like idyllic schools with football and cheer-leading and the strange kind of formal dating. At the same time, most boys got their true manhood from movies like Rambo, with an indifferent attitude to violence, a tragedy from which the Swedish culture Establishment still hasn't recovered from. I sometimes wondered about strange stuff in Donald Duck comics, like milk in glass bottles.

I would say though, that growing up with post-Marxist and left-liberal teachers in school and kindergarten have made most well-educated teenagers (ie. people who listen and repeat what the teachers say) feel very very bad about American culture imperialism. :) The left-wing hates everything about USA just because it is USA, and this irrationalist stupidity has spread into the Nationalist movement as well. I think most Swedish teenagers are Socialist in one way or the other. (Not in a Marxist sense, but in a kind of third positionist Social-Democratic way. Postwar Social-democracy is really based on fascist corporativist ideas, but has now become Social-Liberal, ie. just capitalism with strong social security.)

I think most Swedish adults constantly think of the hippie movement, American cars and American presidents. Due to the domination of post-Marxist journalists in Sweden, Americans would be chocked of the media portrayal of United States in general and American presidents in particular. Not that I dislike the slandering of people like Bush, but it really is awfully slanted journalism, which definitely is against journalist ethics. Naturally, everything about "Nazism" and American politics and sometimes American culture, is portrayed very negative or at least described contemptuous. Everything else is described quite normal. Reading about these topics in an American or a British news paper is like reading an encyclopedia compared to a Swedish news paper. I'm sure it's quite similar in Norway, Finland and probably Denmark to some extent, but they are all less anti-American, mainly because of World War II.

So at least over here, it does not only depend on what rubbish the American Establishment produces, but also how our own media controls people's thoughts and expectations. Just a few years ago our Minister of Culture wanted to stop Swedes from picking up any satellites they want. It wasn't realized, but it illustrates that our Establishment is still quite anti-American and believe the people can't handle any information themselves (which is generally true at present stage) and that American influence is bad for the population's well-being.

The core problem is that some people despise all the White people of United States instead of criticising its leadership and the negative aspects of the culture.

mathydd
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 03:01 PM
It may be a cliche, but The United States really is many nations and cultures in one. Making accurate general statements about Americans is almost impossible. Certainly there is no single "white" America, there are liberal and conservative, urban and rural, rich and working class whites. We have so many conflicting view points it's amazing any progress is made at all.



"Like most americans, I like big things; big mountains, big forests, big wheat fields, and everything else. "

Esther_Helena
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 03:52 PM
Mathydd, I agree.

Louky
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 04:27 PM
I hate what America has become. The America that I knew and loved is dead. Only a few of us are left.

kinvolk
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 05:32 PM
I hate what America has become. The America that I knew and loved is dead. Only a few of us are left.
Granted. Except for small pockets of resistance the good things are kaput. the way I would describe MOST Americans now is this; Mean as hell!!!

Vestmannr
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 08:34 PM
Quote: "the way I would describe MOST Americans now is this; Mean as hell!!!"

You know, we have a word for that :) , its called 'Da-mn Yankee' ;)

Sword Brethren
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 08:44 PM
I mean no disrespect, but I hear that sometimes - "Well we are the world's superpower, so we must be doing something right".

But it strikes me that perhaps that is only the case because it suits NWO / International Jewry.
America is a ZOG country, it protects Israel's interets, etc.
The USA is the Police Dept of the NWO, flexing it's military and economic muscle as needed. If somehow the USA suddenly found itself with a right-wing government opposed to ZOG, I believe America would cease being a super power pretty quickly. Jewish World finance would simply cripple the economy and find some more co-operative country to be the world's "super power", faster than it mobilsed the world against Germany during WWII.

No Empire or Superpower has lasted indefinately, I don't see much changing.

It depends who came to power. For if I was to come to power in the USA, I would first quickly move against the jews... I would nationalize all key industry, kick jews out of anything that could have even a remote affect of the economy. We would bring back jobs, perhaps an embargo on China. We would stop getting 90% of consumer goods from China, make them all ourselves or buy them from other white nations. Secret Police would be set up to protect against jewry and their minions. Jews would be required to be identified as such at all times in public.

The Congress would also be cleared of jews and their shabbas goys (Senate is 30% jewish, despite jews being 1% of the US population). I am unsure what % Jews are in the House of Representatives.

We would have to meticulously and systematically go about smashing jewry's stranglehold over the economy, media, and entire nation.

Perhaps mass deportation to Israel... But would that be enough to solve the Jewish Problem?

How would you answer the jewish question?

Sword Brethren
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 08:48 PM
Americans today are nothing at all like Americans were a hundred years ago. To compare an Avg American today, to an Avg America then... It would be like comparing a tired old man, to an energetic youth... Americans today are but a shadow of their former selves.

Vestmannr
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 08:54 PM
"Perhaps mass deportation to Israel... But would that be enough to solve the Jewish Problem?

How would you answer the jewish question?"

Assimilation into those with whom they sell DNA. The Jewish question will not go away until they have peacefully joined the Nations. So: make Palestinians, Kurds, Turks, Slavs, Berbers, Meds, etc. out of them depending on their racial makeup. Put an end to the Jewish idea itself. I'm not giving them some base which they have no right to in the first place. Israel belongs to the true Israel, which never left... let it be ruled by the Patriarch of Jerusalem which is still there.

Sword Brethren
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 09:05 PM
Couldn't we just sterilize all of them? Or would that be morally objectionable???


You are basically suggesting that we "Breed it out of them", are you not?

You think that would really work? It would take centuries perhaps, and it would create millions more people who are 1/2 jew, 1/4 jew, 1/8 jew, 1/16 jew... It would take quite a long while to get them breed out of existence.

Esther_Helena
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 10:14 PM
Americans today are nothing at all like Americans were a hundred years ago. To compare an Avg American today, to an Avg America then... It would be like comparing a tired old man, to an energetic youth... Americans today are but a shadow of their former selves.
When did America become Numenor?
(Tolkien reference)

Esther_Helena
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 10:23 PM
Please keep this thread on topic. This is NOT the "destroy the jews thread".
Not all Americans are "meaner than a hornet" I have a theory.
The "mean/rude" ones seem to live in crowded communities (NY)
The nice ones, live in more spacious areas. Like the south. We made be rednecks, but you don't have "southern hospitality" in the north ;)
Also, from my experience, "Yankees" seem to be concerned with themselves and ONLY themselves (well family too). Here in the south, while we may not jump on the chance to help everyone we meet, we won't zoom by you when your c...ar breaks down. (Unless we Really have to be somewhere, can't help you, or it's late and you look creepy). While we may not stop to help you, we will call on our cellphones to 911 or whoever can help you.
Also, in the crowded places, if someone walks into a restraunt with blue and orange polka dot hair, no one gives it a second glance.
In the south, the whole town knows about it before dinnertime.

Civil War over or not, we're still different.

Tuor
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 10:27 PM
I Agree, if America is trully as bad as many people make it seem then why are we the sole superpower? No matter what other people say about us our diversity is our greatest strength. An homegenous pop would be nice but that is not what makes us America. Nextly, when one starts talking of exterminating Jewish people that is just wrong in America. We respect other cultures and peoples. Without respect for one another we become blind in our pride. An excellent example is Hitler's Germany and his blind ambition and his master race with utmost arrogance and ignorance for others. Only by respect can a state rise up to become a true superpower. A prime example is the Roman Empire and its decent treatment of new people in the empire.

Vestmannr
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 10:55 PM
Well, it is arguable that the foreigners (meaning non-Anglos) in America have given far more trouble than they have help to building our society. I could happily live without George Washington Carver (the high point of his race, imho). America was never invisioned as some 'melting pot' or even mosaic by the founding Fathers.. and Conservatives in America never bought into those Liberal visions (now being pushed by neo-cons.) The Diversity of America has actually been our weakness... we have always been strongest where we are the most homogenous.

As for the Roman Empire: it treated lots of folk like s**t. Those who were born Roman (Patricians esp.) were far higher up, had more rights. The same goes for the Cisalpine Gauls who were 'made' Latins and Romans early on. The rest either had to live their whole lives in the Army trying to get citizenship before they died, so they might even have a chance to marry and have children (you didnt get to do that until after you had been in the military a good while.) Some folk were perpetual slaves in the Roman system. If Rome is the model for America, we went off track with 1861 (another example where our culture was first hi-jacked by foreigners, in that case by German Jews and their Shabbas Goy Marxist followers like Carl Schurz.)

However, if you would read the founding Fathers, you would find they all held to the same idea expressed by Thomas Jefferson. He (and the rest) felt that America was where the old Anglo-Saxon freedoms, reaching back to the days before Rome in the Teutoberger Wald, were re-founded in America where they would have free room to grow again.

Eric34
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 11:40 PM
I'm not american, and I hate the jewish "american" leaders. But I love america although. Why? Many cause. So, if I see my great country, and the USA, then I see, what here communist terror now. There is not. Here the government and police ban often marches. There not. Here no freespeech about jews, gipsies, commies. There is freespeech. Here banned to get weapons. There allowed. Here if somebody defend himself/herself, that often make trouble, for that somebody. In the USA, who fight back to a criminal, that person is hero. There, if peoples saying:. We are Americans! - that is a good thing. When here somebody saying:. I'm Hungarian! -then jews, gipsies and media saying:. - you are a racist! stupid fascist you are! you are anti-semite!...and so on, and so on... And many alike things. So, I think USA meaning now more freedom. This maybe changing -just watch Matt Hale, but the USA still the most freedomful country yet. And this is the cause, why I love that place. It's all. :)

kinvolk
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 11:56 PM
Quote: "the way I would describe MOST Americans now is this; Mean as hell!!!"

You know, we have a word for that :) , its called 'Da-mn Yankee' ;)
As I am !

Deling
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 12:31 AM
TUOR:

"I Agree, if America is trully as bad as many people make it seem then why are we the sole superpower?"

Coincidences of history. It could just as well be Russia/Soviet Union. A population being 'bad' or 'good' doesn't mean anything in this sense, and often it's the 'badest' governments and nations that gain superiority.

"No matter what other people say about us our diversity is our greatest strength."

You're right. American multi-culturalism is a strength really. An unique, voluntary multi-culti experiment. But it's strange that you, as a Skadi visitor (and probably White Nationalist), call 'our diversity our strength'.

"An homegenous pop would be nice but that is not what makes us America."

America cannot exist without cosmopolitism and the messianic 'All cultures gather in the new Eden' prospect which America was founded upon. So you're right: your America today is true America. Many million negroes were imported to America for the multi-cultural experiment, and initially as slaves, asians, chinese, Jews, european nationals came later. To say America really is Anglo-Saxon is to 'forget' that America was the first artificial multi-culti experiment, where people from all over the world was gathered to form a new promised land of unlimited space (freedom), away from the decadent Europe of the absolutist empires at that time.

"An excellent example is Hitler's Germany and his blind ambition and his master race with utmost arrogance and ignorance for others. Only by respect can a state rise up to become a true superpower. A prime example is the Roman Empire and its decent treatment of new people in the empire."

Hitler's Germany was more about Germany controlling Europe than a Race war. America has no respect whatsoever for other cultures, it only wants to destroy their spirit and assimilate them into a Americanized popular version of itself. The colonization of the American continent, by the way, wasn't done with silk gloves, but with sword and deceases. The same with Africa. A mighty state cannot treat others with respect, the sword and power-politics always come to use.

SZACSI:
"I'm not american, and I hate the jewish "american" leaders. But I love america although. Why? Many cause. So, if I see my great country, and the USA, then I see, what here communist terror now."

Many studies show that the former communist European nations often have an utopian view of America, not at all realistic. One reason for this is said to be the former Communist propaganda in these nations, portayiing America as utterly evil, which creates illusions that it's really the otherwise. In Communist-occupied Europe, people did understand the Soviet version of new-speak, where 'Pravda' was something far from the truth. Today, there also seem to be an American idealisation in former Communist Europe: Whole Balticum, Poland, Czech, Slovakia and Hungary is more keen joining NATO than EU. But soon these illusions of America as a civilisation of unlimited freedoms will perish, I truly hope.

"There is not. Here the government and police ban often marches. There not. Here no freespeech about jews, gipsies, commies. There is freespeech."

I don't believe this is really true. Freespeech yankee-style could rather be defined as New-speak Orwell-style.

"In the USA, who fight back to a criminal, that person is hero. There, if peoples saying"

From what I've heard once, a burglar roobing a house accidently slipped and was penetrated by a carelessly put knife in the kitchen, and because of this the burglar was freed from charges and the house-owner convicted. Truth or not; I don't know.

"So, I think USA meaning now more freedom."

Freedom is just a used cliché without meaning. American freedom is freedom to consume products, grow fat, be promiscous, doing plastic operations and freedom=money. I prefer national freedom then, a nation where society is at peace; great Hungary could be such a nation, America cannot.

Deling
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 12:38 AM
Being American really means surrendering the old identities of one's native lands, and a adopt a new identity in a new ascending civilisation: Americans and America. This is, as I believe, what America is.

And that the stereotype Yankees nowadays seem to misunderstand European culture and mentality more than many Arabs and many Asians do (according to my empirical experience) is really sad, but shows what Egocentric-Selfrighteous hyper-materialist Mammon multi-culti 'America is the world' attitydes has done to the Yank...

Esther_Helena
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 12:40 AM
does anyone think that America has TOO many freedoms, thus we're not very self disciplined, thus we eat, buy, "do" too much for our own good?

Esther_Helena
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 12:45 AM
[QUOTE=Deling]Being American really means surrendering the old identities of one's native lands, and a adopt a new identity in a new ascending civilisation: Americans and America. This is, as I believe, what America is.
QUOTE]

America is the result of many cultures merging. America, as a culture did not pop out of thin air. If we surrendered the identities of our ancestors, we would have ceased to exist long ago. Just because we have assimilated to create new culture does not mean we have surrendered. (not all of us, and not entirely).

Eric34
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 01:27 AM
TUOR:

SZACSI:
"I'm not american, and I hate the jewish "american" leaders. But I love america although. Why? Many cause. So, if I see my great country, and the USA, then I see, what here communist terror now."

Many studies show that the former communist European nations often have an utopian view of America, not at all realistic. One reason for this is said to be the former Communist propaganda in these nations, portayiing America as utterly evil, which creates illusions that it's really the otherwise. In Communist-occupied Europe, people did understand the Soviet version of new-speak, where 'Pravda' was something far from the truth. Today, there also seem to be an American idealisation in former Communist Europe: Whole Balticum, Poland, Czech, Slovakia and Hungary is more keen joining NATO than EU. But soon these illusions of America as a civilisation of unlimited freedoms will perish, I truly hope.

"There is not. Here the government and police ban often marches. There not. Here no freespeech about jews, gipsies, commies. There is freespeech."

I don't believe this is really true. Freespeech yankee-style could rather be defined as New-speak Orwell-style.

"In the USA, who fight back to a criminal, that person is hero. There, if peoples saying"

From what I've heard once, a burglar roobing a house accidently slipped and was penetrated by a carelessly put knife in the kitchen, and because of this the burglar was freed from charges and the house-owner convicted. Truth or not; I don't know.

"So, I think USA meaning now more freedom."

Freedom is just a used cliché without meaning. American freedom is freedom to consume products, grow fat, be promiscous, doing plastic operations and freedom=money. I prefer national freedom then, a nation where society is at peace; great Hungary could be such a nation, America cannot.

Yep, I need to learn more about the USA. I just have more friends there, whose are Hungarians really. And sure, my GF is American, so she can to say, what is the difference there and here, because she was here too.

That is same, what here communist power and there jewish power, what is mostly same. But here when something march -what is not banned- then often police smash the peoples. The government command to the police and the police smashing patriots, old peoples, childs, everybody, who has Nationalist feelings and against this commie government. So, that is not in the US, there marches are allowed, and if nothing bad happening, then the police not smash the peoples...

Yes, I did said "more freespeech" and not fully freespeech. I did write there think about Matt Hale. And David Duke. And few more peoples. But if you see here and there... so here really everything is banned. If you say something really radical, then you can to get 3 years prison... :~(

Any months ago was, what a robber went to rob a house. There did live an old man and his family. The old man was hunter. The robber did tell to the old man with a pistol. Then the old man got his rifle, and did shot into the robber's azz. This maybe sounds funny, but the old man had big problems because this, because the police bothered him, and he needed to fear, what the police take him into prison... :(

And for last. Here a comedian said:.
- What is the freedom? A statue in NewYork...

He was right.

Deling
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 01:12 PM
SZACSI:

"Yep, I need to learn more about the USA. I just have more friends there, whose are Hungarians really. And sure, my GF is American, so she can to say, what is the difference there and here, because she was here too."

I can understand that, but I think to judge America's freedom versus Hungary's that David Duke can release his books (through inofficial or smaller publishing firms, I suppose) in U.S, and that Mein Kampf is forbidden in Hungary, is not a convincing way to compare these nations.

"That is same, what here communist power and there jewish power, what is mostly same."

Does the Communists still rule Hungary? Is it like in Russia, where the former Reds has shifted shapes (to blue)? I believed that Hungary was ruled by anti-Communist neo-liberal and (to the name) conservative parties. What about MIEP by the way? Are they making progress?

"But here when something march -what is not banned- then often police smash the peoples. The government command to the police and the police smashing patriots, old peoples, childs, everybody, who has Nationalist feelings and against this commie government. So, that is not in the US, there marches are allowed, and if nothing bad happening, then the police not smash the peoples..."

I understand this too, but demonstration freedoms aren't precisely unrestricted in U.S either. And that ones own government suck, doesn't mean one have to love America. What America has to offer European nations, is 'freedom' and 'democracy', which really is the opposite of these things. It just means more neo-liberalism, oligarch governments and Zionist-loving of that kind your government expresses, when building Holocaust Museums and shit like that.

"Yes, I did said "more freespeech" and not fully freespeech. I did write there think about Matt Hale. And David Duke. And few more peoples. But if you see here and there... so here really everything is banned. If you say something really radical, then you can to get 3 years prison..."

What I know, many American radicals go to jail pretty easily for long time when saying things: Ernst Zundel and other patriots, a.e. Or not to mention the American government's murdering of David Koresh and his cultists..

"And for last. Here a comedian said:.
- What is the freedom? A statue in NewYork...

He was right."

He indeed was. American freedom is just to the name, I guessed he implied.

ELISTARIEL:

"America is the result of many cultures merging. America, as a culture did not pop out of thin air. If we surrendered the identities of our ancestors, we would have ceased to exist long ago. Just because we have assimilated to create new culture does not mean we have surrendered."

Of course not America popped out of thin air, I understand that. America assimilated men and women from all over the world who wanted to forge a new world with ideals of 'freedom'. America is the sum of all possible identities all over the world, forged into a new, American one. If this isn't true; then why is it that Americans fail so miserably to understand other cultures? Why doesn't America understand Europe, Russia, the Middle East, the Far East...? If Americans still had their native identities, they would understand the world, and the world would be more peaceful. But Americans' identities are no longer its different native ones, but an adapted and commersialised/simplified version of this. Americans' identities are more like a Chosen People's, believing their own mass culture is good, that American-style democracy is good, that the American freedoms are utilitaristically great; and that these things should be exported: "Why doesn't the world understand us!?! We just want to do good, not harm!! Here, little camel jockey; have a coke!".

Americans are totally rootless, and has lost all real contact with its origins. Then there are a minority of Americans, still in touch with their heritage. If these people, including you I presume, managed to give America another face, one that would be very un-American but based on the original heritage, I would be the first to cherrish. But this is impossible. America is a dead civilisation, which will go down the same road as another Chosen People...

Eric34
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 04:16 PM
SZACSI:

"Yep, I need to learn more about the USA. I just have more friends there, whose are Hungarians really. And sure, my GF is American, so she can to say, what is the difference there and here, because she was here too."

I can understand that, but I think to judge America's freedom versus Hungary's that David Duke can release his books (through inofficial or smaller publishing firms, I suppose) in U.S, and that Mein Kampf is forbidden in Hungary, is not a convincing way to compare these nations.

"That is same, what here communist power and there jewish power, what is mostly same."

Does the Communists still rule Hungary? Is it like in Russia, where the former Reds has shifted shapes (to blue)? I believed that Hungary was ruled by anti-Communist neo-liberal and (to the name) conservative parties. What about MIEP by the way? Are they making progress?

"But here when something march -what is not banned- then often police smash the peoples. The government command to the police and the police smashing patriots, old peoples, childs, everybody, who has Nationalist feelings and against this commie government. So, that is not in the US, there marches are allowed, and if nothing bad happening, then the police not smash the peoples..."

I understand this too, but demonstration freedoms aren't precisely unrestricted in U.S either. And that ones own government suck, doesn't mean one have to love America. What America has to offer European nations, is 'freedom' and 'democracy', which really is the opposite of these things. It just means more neo-liberalism, oligarch governments and Zionist-loving of that kind your government expresses, when building Holocaust Museums and shit like that.

"Yes, I did said "more freespeech" and not fully freespeech. I did write there think about Matt Hale. And David Duke. And few more peoples. But if you see here and there... so here really everything is banned. If you say something really radical, then you can to get 3 years prison..."

What I know, many American radicals go to jail pretty easily for long time when saying things: Ernst Zundel and other patriots, a.e. Or not to mention the American government's murdering of David Koresh and his cultists..

"And for last. Here a comedian said:.
- What is the freedom? A statue in NewYork...

He was right."

He indeed was. American freedom is just to the name, I guessed he implied.


Yes. Soviets went out of the country in 1990. Before '90 the leader party was the communist MSzMP party. But the commie leaders after '90 still here, just they changed their MSzMP name to MSzP. Not too big change. They won the party polls in 1994. Now they won again, although was so suspicious, what they did cheat. Was a protest against their cheat, there the police smashed many peoples. They smashed young patriots and old patriot peoples too. This is here the "freedom". :(
The president between '94-'98 was Gyula Horn, a jewish communist, who killed many Hungarians in the 1956 revolution, when the Hungarian started to fight against the soviet communists.
Now the president is the communist secret agent, who worked for the communist soviet system, traited the country then and nowatimes too. He drunk with the romanian president, when the whole country is cried because the anti-Hungarian romanian-terror.

In the parliament now the leader MSzP commie party. Their pals, the SzDSz jewish party. The Fidesz, what is better, but there many jewish. And the MDF, what is maybe ok, but not too good, and they are weak.

MIÉP. They are not in the government, was something cheats in the polls (what about I did talk), and they are fallen out. They did not get the 5% of the votes.
The peoples wanted re-count the party-poll papers, but the communist MSzP party burned the papers. So, no proof now for their cheat... :(

Now was another action, 4 young went to the parliament, and they dropped there 500 papers, "out from Iraq!" papers. Maybe they are in trouble now. 88% (now was a poll in the TV) agree with the youngs, but the system not, so the police catched them... :(

Ewergrin
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 05:22 PM
I hate what America has become. The America that I knew and loved is dead. Only a few of us are left.

I see your point, but I also disagree.
You hate what Hollywood and International media proclaims America to be. Aye, I hate it as well. However, the true America, which is the one I see every day, is not wholly like the one that international media and Hollywood proclaims it to be.

Vestmannr
Friday, April 23rd, 2004, 08:19 PM
I found what I was looking for. Earnest Albert Hooton (Coon's predecessor at Harvard) had done studies on the racial makeup of Americans, and attempted a classification system.

I'll quote what little I found from 'Apes, Men, and Morons' from 1937. If you want more information, I can provide some.

His classification of American Whites is that individuals depending on being Old American, 2nd-3rd gen. Immigrants, or Foreign born classified in the following European or American hybrid groups:

"1. The Pure Nordic type of pure blond long-heads.
2. The Pure Mediterranean type of pure brunet long-heads.
3. The Predominantly Nordic type of near blond long-heads.
4. The Keltic type of long-heads with disharmonic pigment combinations.
5. The mixed Nordic Mediterranean type of long-heads with intermediate but darkish pigmentation.
6. The East Baltic type of pure blond round-heads with medium to broad noses.
7. The Alpine type of pure brunet round-heads with medium to broad noses.
8. The mixed Nordic Alpine type of round-heads with intermediate but lightish pigmentation, and medium to broad noses.
9. The mixed Dinaric type of round-heads with intermediate pigmentation and narrow noses."

And, "The proportions of the nine racial types in the three series -- criminal, civilian check sample, and Century of Progress visitors -- are extraordinarily similar."

He said that the mixed Nordic-Mediterranean type was the 'ranking type' with 25% of the American population, excessively represented in the states of KY and NC, somewhat deficient in TN, WI, and NM and seemed to have a pretty fair distribution thoughout the States, with a 'possible excess' in the South Atlantic states. He says "It seems to be a predominantly British type" and mostly Old American , so I am guessing it is a North Atlantid mixed with Nordic, which is why America seems to have many long-headed, blonde haired, but brown eyed individuals.

The second ranking type was the Nordic-Alpine type, with about 23% of the American population. He notes it being strongest in MA, and deficient in KY. Excesses seem to be in TX, WI, and TN (areas with strong German immigrant populations from Bavaria, Palatinate, or Rhineland ... mostly Miners.) Otherwise, he suggests it is also found throughout America, but with 'slightly excess strength' in the East North Central and Mid-Atlantic states. He noted that this type was linked with foreign parentage, and 'markedly deficient' amongst Old Americans and Scandinavians, but in excess with those of 'Polish-Austrian, Russian, Teutonic, French, and Jewish birth or parentage.'

Third ranking type is the 'Predominantly Nordic' with 17% of the American population. This type is primarily Old American, and he considered it 'unknown' amongst the foreign born. This type was "especially strong" in KY, TN, NC, NM, CO, and AZ but deficient in MA and WI. The data from Century of Progress had it strongest in the West North Central district of the country. Of the Old Americans, this type was in excess amongst those of English and Welsh descent. "It is notably deficient in French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Polish-Austrian, Balkan, Russian, Asia Minor and Jewish elements." - all new immigrant/foreign born groups. For recent immigrants who were of this type, he noted they were predominantly Scandinavian, English, Welsh, and British Canadian.

The fourth ranking type is the Dinaric, at 13.3% of the population. The type is 'markedly deficient in native Whites of native parentage" but excess in the recent immigrant groups and their descendants. States with excess representation are MA and WI, with the type being rare in KY, TN, and NC. Strongest in the East North Central district, and to a lesser extent the Mid-Atlantic states. He noted they were primarily of Polish-Austrian, Teutonic, French Canadian, Scotch, and Asia Minor birth or parentage.. and the type was very rare in Old American males. He also says "It is a rather composite type which perhaps ought to be broken up into subtypes, but it has a certain physical and sociological unity, none the less."

The fifth ranking type is the Keltic, at 8.48% of the male population. This type was more common in his criminal samples than the civilian check samples, is in excess amongst Old Americans, "less conspicuous and proportionally deficient in the native Whites of foreign parentage, and decidedly rare among the foreign born Whites." The type is "outstandingly present" in KY, and NC and "significantly rare" in TN and TX. The type is strongest in the South Atlantic district, and the East South Central district (IOW, the Old South), as well as New England. Of the criminal sample, Irish were most of this type, as well as some Scandinavians. The civilian population was mostly Old Americans, English, Irish, Welsh, British Canadians, and Scandinavians.

The sixth ranking type is pure Mediterranean, with 4.38% of the total. This type is deficient amongst Old Americans, and "in excess in the foreign born." Most often found in MA, CO, and NM. Deficient in KY, TN, NC, and TX. Strong areas for the type are the Mid-Atlantic, and East North Central. Rarest in West North Central district. Most are of Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian ancestry from the criminal series, but the type is deficient amongst Polish-Austrians and Old Americans. The civilian check sample had very few of Spanish or Italian origin, and rather had pure Meds from a "wide variety of European descents."

East Baltic type ranked seventh, at 3.02% of the population. "Strongly represented amongst civilian series rather than criminals." Amongst the criminals, it is mostly Old American and first gen. American and deficient amongst the foreign born. Amongst civilians it was the exact opposite. Type is strong in MA, TN, TX, and CO but poorly represented in the other states tested. Most common in East North Central, and possibly Pacific and Mountain districts. An excess in the criminal series of Russian and Polish-Austrian descent, deficient amongst Italians. In the civilian population, mostly Teutonic and Polish-Austrian descent.

Alpine type ranks eighth, at 2.68% Most poorly represented amongst all Old Americans. Stronger amongst native Whites of foreign ancestry, and strongest amongst foreign born. "Of all racial types it is the least characteristically American." Amongst criminals, "excessively numerous" in MA, WI, NM, and CO. Rare amongst criminals of KY, TN, and NC. East North Central and West North Central had the excesses of this type in the civilian series. Greatest excess of this type in those of Italian birth amongst the criminals, but also strong with those of French Canadian, Balkan, Spanish, Portuguese, Polish-Austrian, and Asia Minor extraction. In the Boston series of civilians, it was strongest amongst Near Eastern descent. (I would note that the Asia Minor/Near Eastern folks at this time in the US were almost entirely Greeks and Christian Lebanese/Syrians.)

"Pure Nordic is the scarcest of all types in the combined series here studied with but 2.44% of the total." Less common among criminals than civilians (twice as numerous in civilian populations.) In the criminal series, it is strong in Old Americans and first generation. In the Boston check sample, somewhat deficient in Old Americans but strongest in first generation Americans. In Century of Progress series, strongest in the West North Central Region. Amongst criminals, showed the greatest excess with British Canadians and the strongest deficiency amongst Italians. In the civilian series, "strongly British Canadian and markedly Scandinavian, but still more strongly Old American."

I can quote more if anyone is interested. Be nice to do a new study along these lines.

Phlegethon
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 12:17 AM
The same Hooton who wanted to exterminate all Germans after WW2.

Which such genocidal nuts still being looked up to today I feel perfectly justified in my opinion that Americans are scum. Yankees, southerners, white Americans, Hispanics, Jews, negroes, Asians and whoever else keeps that country going: they are all scum.

Vestmannr
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 12:50 AM
"The same Hooton who wanted to exterminate all Germans after WW2."

I wouldnt know. He was all for sterilization for many classes of folk, and hated war veterans with a passion (considered them to be like panhandlers.) I dont think that makes his collection of data without validity. So far as I know, it is the best we have ... though it does need to be replaced with a newer, more complete study. I thought about posting Coon's feelings on the subject, but since it seems some would rather politicize this thread than discuss it objectively, I dont see any use.

"Which such genocidal nuts still being looked up to today I feel perfectly justified in my opinion that Americans are scum. Yankees, southerners, white Americans, Hispanics, Jews, negroes, Asians and whoever else keeps that country going: they are all scum."

LOL, he was difficult to find, and much of what he says this American finds offensive, as would most Americans. Anyways, what is wrong with genocide? It was never considered a 'crime' until this past century. I tend to think a little eugenic genocide isnt necessarily a bad thing. I'd be a hypocrite otherwise, as I'm the benefiter of some tens of thousands of years of genocide... my ancestors killed off the Neanderthals, killed off a good number of Native American tribes as well. Call me scum if you will ... it wont make it true :)

Julius
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 08:23 AM
It must be possible to make some conclusions from the immigration from European nations.

Immigration to USA, 1820-1996:

All countries 63,140,227
Germany 7,142,393
Mexico 5,542,625
Italy 5,427,298
United Kingdom 5,225,701
Ireland 4,778,159
Canada 4,423,066
Soviet Union 3,752,811
Austria 1,841,068
Hungary 1,673,579
Philippines 1,379,403

[ source: USCIS (http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/299.htm) ]

Over here (Sweden) they say 1,3 Million emigrated to the United States before 1930.

Vestmannr
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 09:01 AM
Sounds right, plus you can remember that there was already several millions here before those immigrations: about 5 million white Southerners before the War of Southern Independence, and five to eight times that amount of white Northerners.

David Hackett Fisher in "Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America" covers the original settlers before those waves of immigration (from 1600-1776 basically.) The Canadians and British needed little to no assmiliation, the Germans, Austrians, Hungarians, and Irish assimilated after a few generations. Other groups are still in that process: most of the Russians and Ukrainians are more recent immigrants, and the Italians and Mexicans have largely stayed in their own communities as well except in certain areas (most of those of mixed-Italian parentage seem to be from the Northeast, and most of mixed-Mexican parentage from California.)

What Hooton noticed, I think Coon picked up on. I think eventually in America we will see two trends: new stabilized blends, and reemergence of antique phenotypes. That Nordic-Mediterranean of Hooton's terminology I tend to think of as something uniquely American. I'd have to say in my own upbringing, most I saw would fit better in that category, the Predominantly Nordic, and Keltic classifications. Hootons categories, however, seem to be based mostly on coloration and then on cephalic index. Generally unhelpful categorizations. Even the figures posted above cannot give us the full picture: Germany may be less Alpine today, for instance, if the German immigration to America was comprised of more of the Alpines in Germany (hypothetical example). Those from Hungary could just as well have been German or Slavic minorities in the Hungarian territory (esp. when considering the changes of borders and migrations of peoples between 1820 and 1996 in Europe.)

Nordhammer
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 04:25 PM
What Hooton noticed, I think Coon picked up on. I think eventually in America we will see two trends: new stabilized blends, and reemergence of antique phenotypes.

Eventually as in when? America is degrading every generation. They predict by 2050 whites will be a minority. Of course their estimation of "white" is very ambiguous and more than it realistically is. When you exclude all the nonEuropean "whites", and mixed-race "whites", then you get a significantly lower number. The only trend we're going towards is a mixed race one.



That Nordic-Mediterranean of Hooton's terminology I tend to think of as something uniquely American. I'd have to say in my own upbringing, most I saw would fit better in that category, the Predominantly Nordic, and Keltic classifications. Hootons categories, however, seem to be based mostly on coloration and then on cephalic index. Generally unhelpful categorizations. Even the figures posted above cannot give us the full picture: Germany may be less Alpine today, for instance, if the German immigration to America was comprised of more of the Alpines in Germany (hypothetical example). Those from Hungary could just as well have been German or Slavic minorities in the Hungarian territory (esp. when considering the changes of borders and migrations of peoples between 1820 and 1996 in Europe.)

I have a feeling that a lot of his Mediterraneans were brownhaired Nordics, and a lot of the Alpines are UP.

symmakhos
Monday, April 26th, 2004, 05:55 PM
I am very fond of the old America as portrayed by Norman Rockwell (in his earlier paintings, before he got all liberal and sentimental).

http://www.student.lu.se/~liv99psa/Rockwell.jpg

Wholesome, kind, decent old America! Was there ever such a place? :confused

Vestmannr
Tuesday, May 4th, 2004, 03:45 AM
symmakhos: yes, Norman Rockwell was like my childhood in small-town America. Even more so for my father and grandfather's generations.

Nordhammer: On the predictions of the demise of White America, I think the full story is not yet written. The claims for minority status for us Euro-Americans by 2050 is based upon Immigration figures extrapolated based upon current rates. That could change. Also, minorities higher rates of death due to STDs, drugs, and violent crime is also not figured in. The battle is set, but I'm not ready to accept the outcome as being the doom of my people. Either way: We Will Have A Homeland. If we are hated in Europe, we'll carve it out here. Personally, I'm expecting the latter ... and to be doing it in the smoking ruin of Empire.

On Hooton's classifications, you may be right. I dont think he had a very clear picture of European pre-history to be able to tell what he was looking at. Labels and classification have seemed to be the biggest issues with so many of the anthropologists, and so many have used labels that are misleading in the extreme. Personally, Lundman's classifications make more sense to me ... and I respect Coon though I am highly critical of portions of his research. However, I'm not so sure that the pretty common brown-eyed blonde in America can be called Nordic, and I sure dont think it is Mediterranean (and Nordic-Mediterranean as a term is a bit silly, as the term suggests that it is a product of SE Europeans intermarrying with NW Europeans on a large enough scale to create a majority mixed US population: the term just does not fit with what we know about US immigration and settlement historically.) I also think 'Alpinid' is something amorphous, that so many throw out there whenever they run up against an individual that is not easily classifiable, and is on the heavier side (weight-wise, or features-wise.) I'm hoping that a better classification system might eventually develop dependent not only on genetic studies of ancient populations, but comparison with modern populations.

I still tend to think that White America is both full of reemergent types not found so often in modern Europe, and may also be developing a few new stabilized blends. So far what genetic studies have been done on the American population suggest that the 'race-mixing' is still not so prevalent, and is uni-directional. A 'Mestizo/Mulatto' America is not something I see the evidence leaning towards. Those who are mixed tend to classify themselves as part of the 'Black' or 'Hispanic' cultures, and not as 'American' (Anglo) ... and their anti-Western politics show it. It could be that us Americans will end up with a reduced territory, but I dont think we are disappearing anytime soon... though we are set to take a beating. It aint so bad as Zud Afrika though... yet.

nemo
Tuesday, May 4th, 2004, 10:32 PM
Civil War over or not, we're still different.

The problem is being different does not make you better! as a damn yankee I say viva the difference.

nemo
Tuesday, May 4th, 2004, 10:53 PM
Well, it is arguable that the foreigners (meaning non-Anglos) in America have given far more trouble than they have help to building our society. I could happily live without George Washington Carver (the high point of his race, imho). America was never invisioned as some 'melting pot' or even mosaic by the founding Fathers.. and Conservatives in America never bought into those Liberal visions (now being pushed by neo-cons.) The Diversity of America has actually been our weakness... we have always been strongest where we are the most homogenous.

As for the Roman Empire: it treated lots of folk like s**t. Those who were born Roman (Patricians esp.) were far higher up, had more rights. The same goes for the Cisalpine Gauls who were 'made' Latins and Romans early on. The rest either had to live their whole lives in the Army trying to get citizenship before they died, so they might even have a chance to marry and have children (you didnt get to do that until after you had been in the military a good while.) Some folk were perpetual slaves in the Roman system. If Rome is the model for America, we went off track with 1861 (another example where our culture was first hi-jacked by foreigners, in that case by German Jews and their Shabbas Goy Marxist followers like Carl Schurz.)

However, if you would read the founding Fathers, you would find they all held to the same idea expressed by Thomas Jefferson. He (and the rest) felt that America was where the old Anglo-Saxon freedoms, reaching back to the days before Rome in the Teutoberger Wald, were re-founded in America where they would have free room to grow again.

You should get over those halucinations you keep having about the Anglos who built this country because you don't know what your talking about, all the skyscrapers, bridges and subway ststems in the east coast were built by Italians, Germans and Irish Immigrants, it is well documented and is written in many books by bonofide writers, and documentrys about this are shown on tv many times.

Without the Southern Europeans this country would have been underdevloped for a long time.

Remember your people helped also to destroy this country by bringing the blacks here to pick your cotton and then race mixed with them, you were racist in the day and race mixers at night, all the big citys were built by non anglos, and in the big citys in this country where their are not that many anglos, these big citys are the most prosperous then in the rest of the country.

Everybody in the world knows where NYC and chicago etc are, but how many ever heard of Georgia.

nemo
Tuesday, May 4th, 2004, 11:26 PM
"The same Hooton who wanted to exterminate all Germans after WW2."

I wouldnt know. He was all for sterilization for many classes of folk, and hated war veterans with a passion (considered them to be like panhandlers.) I dont think that makes his collection of data without validity. So far as I know, it is the best we have ... though it does need to be replaced with a newer, more complete study. I thought about posting Coon's feelings on the subject, but since it seems some would rather politicize this thread than discuss it objectively, I dont see any use.

"Which such genocidal nuts still being looked up to today I feel perfectly justified in my opinion that Americans are scum. Yankees, southerners, white Americans, Hispanics, Jews, negroes, Asians and whoever else keeps that country going: they are all scum."

LOL, he was difficult to find, and much of what he says this American finds offensive, as would most Americans. Anyways, what is wrong with genocide? It was never considered a 'crime' until this past century. I tend to think a little eugenic genocide isnt necessarily a bad thing. I'd be a hypocrite otherwise, as I'm the benefiter of some tens of thousands of years of genocide... my ancestors killed off the Neanderthals, killed off a good number of Native American tribes as well. Call me scum if you will ... it wont make it true :)

Why don't you stop bringing 65 yr old data which has no credibility today, and the authors of this dribble had their own agenda, and they were nothing but ignorant anglos who have the same mind set as yourself.

The only thing you anglos brought to America was hate, and most of you were illiterate, about 20% of you had brains, the rest were just narrow minded goof balls.

Esther_Helena
Tuesday, May 4th, 2004, 11:55 PM
Why don't you stop bringing 65 yr old data which has no credibility today, and the authors of this dribble had their own agenda, and they were nothing but ignorant anglos who have the same mind set as yourself.

The only thing you anglos brought to America was hate, and most of you were illiterate, about 20% of you had brains, the rest were just narrow minded goof balls.
hate only begets hate.

nemo
Wednesday, May 5th, 2004, 12:45 AM
hate only begets hate.

I'm glade you noticed!

Krampus
Wednesday, May 5th, 2004, 01:08 AM
nemo

You should get over those halucinations you keep having about the Anglos who built this country because you don't know what your talking about, all the skyscrapers, bridges and subway ststems in the east coast were built by Italians, Germans and Irish Immigrants, it is well documented and is written in many books by bonofide writers, and documentrys about this are shown on tv many times.

Without the Southern Europeans this country would have been underdevloped for a long time.

Irish and Germans aren't Southern Europeans. Also, from the sounds of it you are speaking of physical labour, not the architecture and engineering work. When you say "Anglo" do mean people of English and British ancestry? Are you distinguishing between Ulster Scots, English and Welsh or are you lumping them all together as "Anglo"?

I notice you completely gloss over the contributions many Dutch had made to building up the East Coast. Actually the first Mayor of New York a person of Dutch ancestry Robert Van Wyck initialized the contract for the first subway system to be built in NYC.

Here's something to digest:
First Chicago "skyscraper"
Architect Major William Le Baron Jenney Anglo-Norman surname
http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/timeline/skyscraper1.html

A more famous architect was Raymond Hood(obvious Anglo-Saxon surname)
http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/hood/hood4.html

nemo

Remember your people helped also to destroy this country by bringing the blacks here to pick your cotton and then race mixed with them, you were racist in the day and race mixers at night, all the big citys were built by non anglos, and in the big citys in this country where their are not that many anglos, these big citys are the most prosperous then in the rest of the country.

Not to split hairs, I understand from certain Hispanics all whites are classified as "Anglo", but for the sake of conversation the fact is the South was settled mainly by Celts of Scottish, Welsh or Ulster Scot ethnicity usually not folks of English ancestry; although, they could certainly be considered of "British" stock if you like. Most of the big money and old money in this country is held by people with Anglo-Saxon or Anglo-Norman surnames, next to Jews they are obviously the most wealthy and influential. The reason why you THINK Americans of English or British ancestry weren't involved in building cities or aren't living in big cities is because up until 100 years ago being an AMERICAN was synonymous with being of Protestant background, which assumed you were of English, Dutch, Scottish, German or Scandinavian ancestry. Until 100 years ago Catholics were a minority in this country. Those who are of English or British ancestry today don't run around forming clubs like the Italians, they are usually too obsessed with business, raising a family or generally being greedy(I will admit to this) for taking notice of their heritage and flaunting it. At any rate most of them are oblivious to their English/British ethnicity and would probably still consider themselves "American" first a result of inherited propaganda.

I for one hope you can finally resolve your hatred for people of English and British ancestry, it doesn't seem to be having much effect on them. They are still successful as ever. If it wasn't for Americans of British/English ancestry your own ancestors from Southern Italy would not have had been able to escape the poverty and crime of Southern Italy, enabling them to come to America where they could do the physical labour required for building skyscrapers and subways designed and engineered by Americans of British/English ancestry;)

Esther_Helena
Wednesday, May 5th, 2004, 01:15 AM
I'm glade you noticed!
Sarcasm from an air freshener. Nice.
(I'm halfway joking here, I do not mean to offend you)

nemo
Wednesday, May 5th, 2004, 01:28 AM
Sarcasm from an air freshener. Nice.
(I'm halfway joking here, I do not mean to offend you)

You don't offend me, I might be a hot head, but not all the time, thank God
:D

Esther_Helena
Wednesday, May 5th, 2004, 01:48 AM
You don't offend me, I might be a hot head, but not all the time, thank God
:D
Ah, someone of near equal, if not equal smart @ssness and sarcasm. Oh, and for future reference, it's GLAD not GLADE. :P

See?
http://www.glade.com

nemo
Wednesday, May 5th, 2004, 02:08 AM
=Krampus]nemo

quote:
Irish and Germans aren't Southern Europeans. Also, from the sounds of it you are speaking of physical labour, not the architecture and engineering work. When you say "Anglo" do mean people of English and British ancestry? Are you distinguishing between Ulster Scots, English and Welsh or are you lumping them all together as "Anglo"?

To answer your question! I know Germans and Irish are not SE, but I included them because I could not say just Italians, I give credit where credit is due.
when I say anglo I mean wasp and some from the british Isle, but of course I don't mean all of them, their are decent ones I have met and many were personal friends of mine.


quote:
I notice you completely gloss over the contributions many Dutch had made to building up the East Coast. Actually the first Mayor of New York a person of Dutch ancestry Robert Van Wyck initialized the contract for the first subway system to be built in NYC.

The dutch were the first settlers of new York and we have many streets named after dutchmen, besides I have never had any bad experiences from the dutch I have met here and I am very much aware of the great contributions the dutch did here in NYC, it was taught in the schools here.


quote:
Most of the big money and old money in this country is held by people with Anglo-Saxon or Anglo-Norman surnames, next to Jews they are obviously the most wealthy and influential.

I agree! but remember they got here first, and got a big head start on the rest of the immigrants who came.
As far as the jew well I live with over a million of them here, and they are tribal and connives, they are a legal crime organazation



quote:
I for one hope you can finally resolve your hatred for people of English and British ancestry, it doesn't seem to be having much effect on them. They are still successful as ever.

I don't hate all people of English and British ancestry, just the arrogant ones, infact I like the British people who live in England and was always fascinated with that country, but the people of England and the American anglo are really to different species.

Also I am not interested in having an effect on them, but they should learn by now to get rid of their hate because other Euro/Americans are not anglo saxon

nemo
Wednesday, May 5th, 2004, 02:16 AM
Ah, someone of near equal, if not equal smart @ssness and sarcasm. Oh, and for future reference, it's GLAD not GLADE. :P


You really know how to hurt a guy don't you?
:~(

Scoob
Wednesday, May 5th, 2004, 02:33 AM
I'm with Krampus. The Anglos kicked butt and cleared the way for everyone else to come here to the USA. I'm sick and tired of ethnics whining about "Anglo" oppressors - as if Italians and other groups didn't practice intraethnic favoritism. The fact is that the Anglo-Saxons, despite some misgivings, opened their doors to immigration from poor parts of Europe (Ireland during the potato famine, S Italy, Russia, Germany at times, etc) - and their generosity (when honestly compared with any other nation/culture at the time) has since been repaid with nothing but scorn. That is despicable.

Yet on second thought I see another side of this: the Anglos open their doors for cheap labor, like they are doing now with illegal immigrants from S America. This tendency sucks, and someone has to come up with a viable solution to it.

Plato was right when he said that the best way to have a harmonious society is to have a homogenous society. But that's not the reality in the West (nor was it in Sparta or many other places), so we have to find a viable strategy.

Vestmannr
Tuesday, May 11th, 2004, 07:25 AM
'Anglo' properly might mean of Anglo-Saxon descent, but in America it primarily means a 'White', one who has assimilated to mainstream American culture, and speaks English. Anglos in America include the core 'Old Americans', as well as Scots, Irish, Welsh, Cornish, Dutch, German, Scandinavians, French, Swiss, and other Europeans that intermarried and assimilated. So, 'Anglo' in American terms is the same as 'White' in popular terminology here ... though not the same as Governmental 'White'.

Again, this is not a point of arrogance but a point of reality: I can recognize America as an Anglo institution (they didnt 'come earlier', as there was nothing to 'come to' ... they founded and colonised.) I say this as someone of over half Irish descent, a good eighth German blood.. and the rest 'British' (English, Scots, Welsh), and a rare French or Scandinavian ancestor. Arrogance is claiming a minority to be the font of all that is good (though I'll admit to the good pizza at least ;) .)

Anglos carved out territory, conquered, meted out the land, built roads, cleared space for farms and cities. They founded the villages, the government, the institutions of society. The brought their laws, their ways of life, warfare, etc. Their religions are still predominant here as well. It is a simple fact. As an American businessman of Irish-Cherokee descent told me this past week: "History is written by the winners. However, in America for the past several decades... its been written by the losers. That is political correctness and multi-culturalism."

Vestmannr
Tuesday, May 11th, 2004, 08:12 AM
Nemo wrote: "You should get over those halucinations you keep having about the Anglos who built this country because you don't know what your talking about, all the skyscrapers, bridges and subway ststems in the east coast were built by Italians, Germans and Irish Immigrants, it is well documented and is written in many books by bonofide writers, and documentrys about this are shown on tv many times."

Yes, TV tells us all we need to know ;) Actually, Mohawk Indians are responsible for the Skyscrapers. Germans and Irish are far more 'Anglo' than the typical Italian-American as well.

"Without the Southern Europeans this country would have been underdevloped for a long time."

Sorry, we got here without you :) South of the Border is the land of 'Southern European development.'

"Remember your people helped also to destroy this country by bringing the blacks here to pick your cotton and then race mixed with them, you were racist in the day and race mixers at night, all the big citys were built by non anglos, and in the big citys in this country where their are not that many anglos, these big citys are the most prosperous then in the rest of the country."

Ghettos are not prosperous. Truth being all told, the most prosperous people in the NE are the 'Mayflower descendants'. We're talking Old Money, Wall Street types. The South is only second to them, and then we are talking mostly rural millionaires ... not all from petrochemicals. As for 'race mixing', we know that to be a myth of race-baiters and anti-American instigators. Nothing 'mixed race' about American Whites.

"Everybody in the world knows where NYC and chicago etc are, but how many ever heard of Georgia."

Plenty. In fact, I have yet to meet a European, Asian, or African who does not know where Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Alabama, Mississippi, Virginia, Montana, Arizona, Washington, or elsewise is. That sort of gross ignorance I only expect from Inner-City Melting Pot Americans, who consider everything outside of NYC and LA as 'fly-over country'.

"Why don't you stop bringing 65 yr old data which has no credibility today, and the authors of this dribble had their own agenda, and they were nothing but ignorant anglos who have the same mind set as yourself."

I'm surprised that you can categorize my mind set at all: you'd be the first, though I can assume from your comparisons that you have misread me, or are attempting to smear me from spite. As for "old data", not everything old is wrong. Part of the academic process is reevaluation of what has gone before. Credibility and validity is established by testing hypotheses. I very much doubt that there is 'nothing of worth' in the work of the 20th c. Harvard Anthropologists... I have issues with all of their work, but have yet to see any that I throw away it all entire.

"The only thing you anglos brought to America was hate, and most of you were illiterate, about 20% of you had brains, the rest were just narrow minded goof balls."

Yes, I'm told this often by folks like Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, Abe Foxman, Morris Dees, and the rest. However, considering that everything from the system of government, the military, agriculture, much of the industry, and the mercantile industry has the stamp of my very blood-ancestors: I have to consider your statement as hyperbole. That, or you do not consider myself to be an Anglo.

"To answer your question! I know Germans and Irish are not SE, but I included them because I could not say just Italians, I give credit where credit is due.
when I say anglo I mean wasp and some from the british Isle, but of course I don't mean all of them, their are decent ones I have met and many were personal friends of mine."

Lets see this credit where credit is due. I have hope for you yet :)

"I agree! but remember they got here first, and got a big head start on the rest of the immigrants who came."

Again, not a 'head start', but rather the foundation, structure, and core of our civilization. Immigration has not displaced, replaced, or muddled the contribution of the 'Old Americans', 'Anglos', 'Whites' regardless of their British, Irish, German, Scandinavian, or French origins.

"I don't hate all people of English and British ancestry, just the arrogant ones, infact I like the British people who live in England and was always fascinated with that country, but the people of England and the American anglo are really to different species."

I'll have to consider that some might not have a firm grasp of introspection as myself. However, I will point out: England and America are of the same 'species'. In America we seem to have gained more of certain local types from Britain (East Anglians in New England, SW English and Cornish to the Tidewater South, North British/Lowland Scots to the Appalachians and Inner South, Highland Scots to North Carolina, Midland folk and Welsh to the Mid-Atlantic states, etc.) But 'different species' I would argue against, as the groups we have 'mixed with' are the same groups from which the British share origins with: Celts, Germans, Scandinavians, Gauls, etc.

"Also I am not interested in having an effect on them, but they should learn by now to get rid of their hate because other Euro/Americans are not anglo saxon"

The problem is the assumption of 'hate' on my part, or of any Anglo. It may be PC, but it is not real. Dislike mostly comes from experience with certain folk who fly off the handle, and demand to be treated as equals: but wont 'join the group' permanently. Also, and again: Anglo does not equal 'Anglo-Saxon'. The Anglos that came to this country were a mix of all the peoples who had settled in the British Isles previous to the 18th c. (the original settlement lasting from the late 1500s - early 1600s, til right before the Revolutionary War.) Scots are 'Anglos' in American terminology, so are Northern Irish ... even if they are of Gaelic ancestry (which begs the old joke, why so many American WASP's call themselves 'Scotch-Irish', and have entirely Irish Gaelic names like Murphy and O'Riley.)

Dagna
Thursday, June 25th, 2009, 12:34 PM
I believe the most important American traits are freedom and independence, the values our founding fathers vuilt this nation on.