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Boche
Friday, August 8th, 2008, 05:14 PM
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I watched the Opening of them today and it was really great and beautiful.

What's your favourite Category? Are you hoping your own country wins, or another one? I hope Germany will win alot of Gold.

What i'm annoyed about this time, is all the anti-china attitudes concerning tibet. The olympics always stay out of politics and should remain so.




Gruß,
Boche

Guntwachar
Friday, August 8th, 2008, 06:26 PM
I like the Olympics and hope of course the Netherlands will win alot of gold this year (probably swimming again:p).


Yeah indeed the whole Tibet thing was a bit over the top, the people of Tibet had all the right to show at this moment whats happening but the whole european or western attitude to China about Tibet was a bit to much.
Then again we know China they did and do use the Olympics for politics themself.

Psychonaut
Friday, August 8th, 2008, 07:09 PM
The Olympics and the World Cup are the only sporting events that I really get excited about. I'm bummed that our women's soccer team already got beat by the Norwegians though, especially since they used to be so great back in Mia Ham's day. Aside from the soccer, I really look forward to seeing the Men's gymnastics and some of the track and field events.

Sigurd
Saturday, August 9th, 2008, 03:43 AM
I usually prefer the winter olympics, though during the summer olympics I especially enjoy watching the swimming events. Should be good for 2-4 medals in the swimming disciplines, too. ;)

Hrodnand
Saturday, August 9th, 2008, 11:29 AM
I enjoy Winter Olympics more, but I'm still hoping Germany will accomplish a lot of good results. :D However I'm also supporting Sweden. ;)
By the way, did anyone watch the opening ceremony? It was quite odd for me that Norway's flag was carried by a black female athlete.:rolleyes:

stormlord
Saturday, August 9th, 2008, 11:45 AM
The opening ceremony was really impressive, it was nice to see a complete focus on real Chinese culture and pride in their achievements and heritage; there were only Chinese people celebrating Chinese culture (with the slightly puzzling exception of a bunch of white guys playing the bagpipes at random moments :confused:). No doubt the opening ceremony of the 2012 games will be a complete travesty of "British" culture with rappers and bhangra dancers cavorting like idiots and readings from the koran or something.

ladybright
Saturday, August 9th, 2008, 05:30 PM
I really liked the Tai Chi, the drumming and Confucian dance thing. The little boy who helped save other children deserved his time in the spotlight. My daughter really liked the flying asuras and olympic rings part. There were really good parts but there was overdone propaganda as well. The Lighting of the torch was painfully tacky as was the Smiley face on the Mountain Water painting. The US announcers were idiots that detracted from the whole thing.

Did anyone else notice that TiaPai was not allowed to use its real flag? Making them use a 'specially made for the occasion flag' was just wrong. The Olympics are supposed to be above this kind of thing.
http://www.thebestlinks.com/images/thumb/3/35/250px-CTflag.jpg http://www.thebestlinks.com/images/8/89/Taiwan_flag_large.png

Go USA Fencing women.:D:victory0::clap0003:

Crimson Guard
Saturday, August 9th, 2008, 07:33 PM
I dont like the idea of the Olympics being held in these type of nations to be honest, its just disgraceful.

Check this out too:

Relative of US Olympic coach killed in Beijing

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080809/ap_on_re_as/oly_china_american_killed;_ylt=AgoHWOwXN vZiRfNtNPd2bSdbbBAF

Kriegersohn
Saturday, August 9th, 2008, 07:45 PM
I really liked the Tai Chi, the drumming and Confucian dance thing. The little boy who helped save other children deserved his time in the spotlight. My daughter really liked the flying asuras and olympic rings part. There were really good parts but there was overdone propaganda as well. The Lighting of the torch was painfully tacky as was the Smiley face on the Mountain Water painting. The US announcers were idiots that detracted from the whole thing.

Did anyone else notice that TiaPai was not allowed to use its real flag? Making them use a 'specially made for the occasion flag' was just wrong. The Olympics are supposed to be above this kind of thing.
http://www.thebestlinks.com/images/thumb/3/35/250px-CTflag.jpg http://www.thebestlinks.com/images/8/89/Taiwan_flag_large.png

Go USA Fencing women.:D:victory0::clap0003:

China doesn't view Taipei as a "real" country, it is considered a rogue Chinese state *within* the PRC. Reality and China's reality do seem to conflict sometimes.:rolleyes:

As for sport, boxing and fußball for the most part... country of choice, Deutschland for the most part, the US for others...

Ragnar

Psychonaut
Saturday, August 9th, 2008, 10:38 PM
China doesn't view Taipei as a "real" country, it is considered a rogue Chinese state *within* the PRC. Reality and China's reality do seem to conflict sometimes.:rolleyes:


Well, as far as that's concerned the ROC isn't recognized by the US or the UN as a fully sovereign state. Personally, I'm glad that we haven't taken a more definitive stance. After all, I wouldn't wand the Chinese recognizing the Hawaiian secessionists as a sovereign nation.

Hanna
Monday, August 11th, 2008, 08:28 PM
By Richard L King

In a few days, the XXIX Summer Olympiad will be held in Beijing. The opening ceremony will begin precisely at 8:08 am on August 8, 2008 or 808.8.8.08. The number 8 is an auspicious number in China , equivalent to lucky 7 in the West - July 7, 2007, saw a rash of weddings all around the US.

Hundreds of thousands of foreign visitors - not to mention more than 20,000 journalists - will be descending on China. They will marvel at the ultra-modern architectural wonders. Most will arrive
by air, landing in the new Terminal 3 of Beijing International which was designed by British architect Norman Forster.

In the city, visitors will be able to gaze at the "Bird's Nest", the main stadium designed by the Swiss firm Herzog and de Meuron. There are other outstanding buildings such as the National Center for Performing Arts, nicked named "The Egg". Its architect is Paul Andreu of France. There are other outstanding buildings such as China Central TV ( CCTV)'s headquarters, designed by Dutch architect Rem Koolhass, and the whimsical Beijing National Aquatics Center nicked named "The Water Cube".

But there is another landmark sight that visitors should see: the burned ruins of the former Summer Palace, or Yuan Ming Yuan. It was a collection of palaces containing more than 200 buildings that housed irreplaceable works of art - paintings, sculptures, porcelains and manuscripts. It is located only minutes away from the Olympic park.

But it's a world apart. In the 19th century, when Britain forced opium on China, the Chinese government rightly resisted and this precipitated two so-called "Opium Wars". The Treaty of Nanking in 1842 gave Britain the right to continue to sell opium to China, and China was forced to open five treaty ports granting extraterritorial rights to Britain, ceding Hong Kong to Britain in perpetuity. But Britain still was not satisfied; it once again invaded China, this time with France, in 1860.

On the order of Lord Thomas Elgin the Summer Palace was burned down. The Hindi word "loot" entered the English lexicon at that time when Anglo-French soldiers stripped the palace of its treasures. China was forced to make further concessions and to pay a huge indemnity to the victors.

The clash between the two empires in the 19th Century was a total mismatch. Britain was at the zenith of Pax Britannia, and China was at the nadir of its long history. Britain had advanced modern weapons, while China was still fighting with bows and arrows. The resulting destruction and slaughter of tens of thousands of Chinese will always be a blot on Britain'’s history.

Some may say that these events took place more than a century and half ago and that China should let bygones be bygones. However, these injustices were righted only recently, especially from the Chinese perspective of its long history. When asked in 1972 what he thought about the success of the French Revolution, the late Zhou En Lai's response was: "Don't you think it's too soon to tell?" The elimination of extra-territorial rights took place only in 1943, a century after being forced on China. And China did not recover Hong Kong until 1997.

If anyone, especially those from the West, wishes to criticize China about human rights, religious freedom and corruption; they should be sensitive to China 's sense and sensibility. Forcing opium on China enslaved a generation of Chinese and caused corruption on a scale that dwarfs anything in present-day China or even current chaos in Mexico.

Quoting Travis Hanes and Frank Sanello's excellent book, Opium Wars:

Imagine this scenario: the Medellin cocaine cartel of Columbia mounts a successful military offensive against the United States, then forces the US to legalize cocaine and allow the cartel to import the drug into five major American cities ... plus the US has to pay war reparations of $100 billion for the Columbians' cost of waging the war. That scenario is of course preposterous. However, that was exactly what Britain forced on China . Along with opium came Christian missionaries whose zealous attempts to convert "heathen" Chinese destroyed indigenous religions in the process and served as a helping hand to the colonial exploits of the West.

If the new buildings represent China 's renaissance, the burned out Summer Palace remains a symbol reminding China of its past weakness and humiliation. In the 1800s, China paid Western imperialists' thirst with blood. Now in the 21st century, China is paying Western thirst for profits in cash, and it can afford to. There is certain irony that two of the main attractions are designed by Forster and Andreu whose forbears were the ones who burned down the Summer Palace .

The West, with this stain on its past, lost its moral high ground a long time ago. It will have to earn that trust from China with acts of constructive engagement, not lectures, if we are to see a world that is truly global, and not a continuing clash of civilizations.

Richard L King, PhD, has been in the investment industry for more than 30 years. He received his PhD in nuclear physics from New York University in 1970 and also attended Stern Graduate School of Business at NYU. He is currently a venture partner at GRP Venture Partners, a large partnership based in Los Angeles which manages more than $600 million. He is also an adviser to Next, the Finnish venture partnership firm specializing in wireless technologies with offices in Helsinki and in Silicon Valley. Originally from Shanghai, Dr King is a grandson, on both sides of his family, of two of the founders of the Bank of China.



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China's policy is pretty simple, political economic and military ruled by one government.

Octothorpe
Monday, August 11th, 2008, 08:35 PM
The Olympics have always had a political aspect. I can't think of a single Games where some sort of politics wasn't involved. C'mon, folks, let's all be adults here: politics, along with sex, money, and religion, will always have some impact on human behavior.

Octothorpe
Monday, August 11th, 2008, 08:40 PM
Everyone's being too sensitive to China. Sure, the Opium Wars were nasty--so were a thousand little wars waged by Imperial China on it's neighbors. That's what nation-states and empires do, after all. The last two centuries haven't been China's favorites, but for most of it's 2000+ year history, it's been the largest and wealthiest nation on earth. In its past, it's had interregnums longer than the time period stretching from the Opium Wars to the present (just like Pharonic Egypt, Rome, etc.). I'm not crying for China.