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Guntwachar
Wednesday, August 6th, 2008, 07:26 AM
Mixed Martial Arts

Mixed martial arts (MMA) is a full contact combat sport that allows a wide variety of fighting techniques, from a mixture of martial arts traditions, to be used in competitions. The rules allow the use of striking and grappling techniques, both while standing and on the ground.

Modern mixed martial arts competition emerged in popular culture in 1993 with the founding of the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Initially based on finding the most effective martial arts for real unarmed combat situations, competitors of various arts were pitted against one another with minimal rules or concern for safety. In the following decade, MMA promoters adopted many additional rules aimed at increasing safety for competitors and to promote mainstream acceptance of the sport. Following these changes, the sport has seen increased popularity with pay per view reach rivaling boxing and professional wrestling.


History


Pre-modern

One of the earliest forms of widespread unarmed combat sports with minimal rules was Greek pankration, which was introduced into the Olympic Games in 648 B.C. Even as late as the Early Middle Ages, statues were put up in Rome and other cities to honour remarkable pankratiasts.

No-holds-barred events reportedly took place in the late 1800s when wrestlers representing a huge range of fighting styles including various catch wrestling styles, Greco-Roman wrestling and many others met in tournaments and music-hall challenge matches throughout Europe. The first major encounter between a boxer and a wrestler in modern times took place in 1887 when John L. Sullivan, then heavyweight world boxing champion, entered the ring with his trainer, Greco-Roman wrestling champion William Muldoon, and was slammed to the mat in two minutes. The next publicized encounter occurred in the late 1890s when future heavyweight boxing champion Bob Fitzsimmons took on European Greco-Roman wrestling champion Ernest Roeber. Reportedly, Roeber suffered a fractured cheekbone in this bout, but was able to get Fitzsimmons down on the mat, where he applied an armlock and made the boxer submit. In 1936, heavyweight boxing contender Kingfish Levinsky and veteran professional wrestler Ray Steele competed in a mixed match, which Steele won in 35 seconds.

Another early example of mixed martial arts combat was the martial art of Bartitsu, founded in London in 1899, which was the first martial art known to have combined Asian and European fighting styles, and which saw MMA-style contests throughout England, pitting European and Japanese champions against representatives of various European wrestling styles.

Mixed style contests such as boxing vs. jujutsu were popular entertainment throughout Europe, Japan and the Pacific Rim during the early 1900s. In Japan these contests were known as merikan, from the Japanese slang for "American [fighting]". Merikan contests were fought under a variety of rules including points decision, best of three throws or knockdowns, and victory via knockout or submission.

Professional wrestling died out after World War I and was reborn in two streams: "shoot", in which the fighters actually competed, and "show," which evolved into modern professional wrestling.



Modern

The history of modern MMA competition can be traced to mixed style contests throughout Europe, Japan and the Pacific Rim during the early 1900s; the Gracie family's vale tudo martial arts tournaments in Brazil starting in the 1920s; and early mixed martial arts matches hosted by Antonio Inoki in Japan in the 1970s. The sport gained international exposure and widespread publicity in the United States in 1993, when Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu fighter Royce Gracie handily won the first Ultimate Fighting Championship tournament, submitting three challengers in just five minutes, sparking a revolution in the martial arts. Meanwhile in Japan the continued interest in the sport resulted in the creation of the PRIDE Fighting Championships in 1997.

The movement that led to the creation of the UFC and PRIDE was rooted in two interconnected subcultures. First were the vale tudo events in Brazil, followed by the Japanese shoot wrestling shows. Vale tudo began in the 1920s with the "Gracie challenge" issued by Carlos Gracie and Hélio Gracie and upheld later on by descendants of the Gracie family. In Japan in the 1970s, a series of mixed martial arts matches were hosted by Antonio Inoki, inspiring the shoot-style movement in Japanese professional wrestling, which eventually led to the formation of the first mixed martial arts organizations, such as Shooto, which was formed in 1985.

The concept of combining the elements of multiple martial arts was pioneered and popularized by Bruce Lee in the late 1960s to early 1970s. Lee believed that "the best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt to any style." His innovative concepts were recognized in 2004 by UFC President Dana White when he called Lee the "father of mixed martial arts." Recognition of its effectiveness as a test came as the United States Army began to sanction mixed martial arts with the first annual Army Combatives Championships held by the US Army Combatives School in November 2005.

The sport reached a new peak of popularity in North America in the December 2006 rematch between then UFC light heavyweight champion Chuck Liddell and former champion Tito Ortiz, rivaling the PPV sales of some of the biggest boxing events of all time, and helping the UFC's 2006 PPV gross surpass that of any promotion in PPV history. In 2007, Zuffa LLC, the owners of the UFC MMA promotion, bought Japanese rival MMA brand PRIDE, merging the contracted fighters under one promotion and drawing comparisons to the consolidation that occurred in other sports, such as the AFL-NFL Merger in American football.




Evolution of fighters

As a result of an increased number of competitors, organized training camps, information sharing, and modern kinesiology, the understanding of the combat-effectiveness of various strategies has been greatly improved. UFC commentator Joe Rogan has claimed that martial arts have evolved more in the ten years following 1993 than in the preceding 700 years.

The early years of the sport saw a wide variety of traditional styles - everything from sumo to kickboxing - but the continual evolution of the sport saw many styles prove ineffective, while others proved successful on their own.

In the early 1990s, three styles stood out for their effectiveness in competition: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, amateur wrestling and shoot wrestling. This may be attributable in part to the grappling emphasis of the aforementioned styles, which were, perhaps due to the scarcity of mixed martial arts competitions prior to the early 90s, unknown to most practitioners of striking-based arts. Fighters who combined amateur wrestling with striking techniques found success in the standing portion of a fight, whilst Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu stylists had a distinct advantage on the ground: those unfamiliar with submission grappling proved to be unprepared to deal with its submission techniques. Shoot wrestling practitioners offered a balance of amateur wrestling ability and catch wrestling-based submissions, resulting in a well-rounded skillset. The shoot wrestlers were especially successful in Japan. As competitions became more and more common, those with a base in striking became more competitive as they acquainted themselves with takedowns and submission holds, leading to notable upsets against the then dominant grapplers. Subsequently, those from the varying grappling styles added striking techniques to their arsenal. This overall development of increased cross-training resulted in the fighters becoming increasingly multi-dimensional and well-rounded in their skills. The changes were demonstrated when the original UFC champion Royce Gracie who had defeated many opponents using Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu fought the then UFC Welterweight Champion Matt Hughes at UFC 60 and was defeated by a TKO from 'ground-and-pound'.



Olympic recognition efforts

It was thought that Olympic recognition would be forthcoming for the 2004 Summer Olympics, held in Athens, under the banner of pankration. However, the International Olympic Committee was unconvinced that Greece could handle the total number of sports proposed. To placate the IOC, the organizers removed all new medal sports and pankration was excluded.


Rules

The rules for modern mixed martial arts competitions have changed significantly since the early days of vale tudo and Japanese shoot wrestling and UFC 1 and even more from the historic style of pankration. As the knowledge about fighting techniques spread among fighters and spectators, it became clear that the original minimalist rule systems needed to be amended.[19] The main motivations for these rule changes were protection of the health of the fighters, the desire to shed the image of "barbaric, no rules, fighting-to-the-death" matches and be recognised as a sport.

Rules included the introduction of weight classes, as knowledge about submissions spread, with more fighters became well-versed in submission techniques and avoiding submissions, differences in weight became a substantial factor. Small, open-fingered, gloves were introduced to protect fists in punches, reduce the occurrence of cuts (and stoppages due to cuts) and encourage fighters to use their hands for striking, to enable more captivating matches and time limits were established to avoid long fights with little action as competitors conserved their strength, matches without time limits also complicated the airing of live events. Similar motivations produced the "stand up" rule, where the referee can stand fighters up if it is perceived both are resting on the ground or are not advancing toward a dominant position.

Gloves were first mandatory in Japan's Shooto promotion and were later adopted by the UFC as it developed into a regulated sport. In the U.S., state athletic and boxing commissions have played a crucial role in the introduction of additional rules because they oversee MMA in similar way to boxing. Smaller shows may use more restrictive rules because they have less experienced fighters who are looking to acquire experience and exposure that could ultimately lead them to getting recruited into one of the larger, better paying promotions. In Japan and Europe, there is no regulating authority over competitions, so these organizations have greater freedom in rule development and event structure.

Victory in a match is normally gained either by the judges' decision after an allotted amount of time has elapsed, a stoppage by the referee (for example if a competitor can not defend himself intelligently) or the fight doctor (due to an injury), a submission, by a competitor's cornerman throwing in the towel, or by knockout.



Clothing guidelines

Mixed martial arts typically require that male fighters wear shorts as the only permissible clothing attire during competition, thus preventing fighters favouring gis or fighting kimonos the use of such articles in submission holds. The need for flexibility in the legs combined with durability prompted the creation of various fighting shorts brands, which then spawned a range of mixed martial arts clothing and casualwear available to the MMA fan.



Strategies

The techniques utilized in mixed martial arts competition generally fall into two categories: striking techniques (such as kicks, knees and punches) and grappling techniques (such as clinch holds, pinning holds, submission holds, sweeps, takedowns and throws). As mixed martial arts has no international sanctioning body, rules may vary between promotions. While the legality of some techniques (such as elbow strikes, headbutts and spinal locks) may vary, there is a near universal ban on techniques such as biting, strikes to the groin, eye-gouging, fish-hooking and small joint manipulation.

Today, mixed martial artists must cross-train in a variety of styles to counter their opponent's strengths and remain effective in all the phases of combat. For instance, a stand-up fighter will have little opportunity to use their skills against a submission artist who has also trained take downs. Many traditional disciplines remain popular as a way for a fighter to improve aspects of their game.



Popular Disciplines

Stand-up: Various forms of boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, and forms of full contact karate are trained to improve footwork, elbowing, kicking, kneeing and punching.
Clinch: Freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling, Sambo, and Judo are trained to improve clinching, takedowns and throws, while Muay Thai is trained to improve the striking aspect of the clinch.
Ground: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, shoot wrestling, catch wrestling, Judo, and Sambo are trained to improve submission holds, and defense against them. These styles are also trained to improve and maintain ground control.
Some styles have been adapted from their traditional form, such as boxing stances which lack effective counters to leg kicks and takedowns, or Judo techniques which must be adapted for No Gi competition. It is common for a fighter to train with multiple coaches of different styles or an organized fight team to improve various aspects of their game at once. Cardiovascular conditioning, speed drills, strength training and flexibility are also important aspects of an MMA fighter's training.

While mixed martial arts was initially practiced almost exclusively by competitive fighters, this is no longer the case. As the sport has become more mainstream and more widely taught, it has become accessible to wider range of practitioners of all ages. Proponents of this sort of training argue that it is safe for anyone, of any age, with varying levels of competitiveness.



Hybrid Styles

The following terms describe hybrid styles a fighter may use, over the course of a fight, to achieve victory. While some fighters, such as BJ Penn or Fedor Emelianenko, can score victories by striking, ground-and-pound or submission, most fighters will rely on a smaller number of techniques while adopting a style that plays to their strengths.

Sprawl-and-brawl:
Sprawl-and-brawl is a stand-up fighting tactic that consists of effective stand-up striking, while avoiding ground fighting, typically by using sprawls to defend against takedowns.

A sprawl-and-brawler is usually a boxer, kickboxer, Thai boxer or full contact karate fighter who has trained in wrestling to avoid takedowns to keep the fight standing. Often, these fighters will study submission wrestling to avoid being submitted, should they find themselves on the ground. This style can be deceptively different from traditional kickboxing styles, since sprawl-and-brawlers must adapt their techniques to incorporate takedown and ground fighting defense. Chuck Liddell and Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović are examples of sprawl-and-brawl fighters.


Clinch fighting:
Clinch fighting and dirty boxing are tactics consisting of using a clinch hold to prevent the opponent from moving away into more distant striking range, while also attempting takedowns and striking the opponent using knees, stomps, elbows, and punches. The clinch is often utilized by wrestlers that have added in components of the striking game (typically boxing), and Muay Thai fighters.

Wrestlers may use clinch fighting as a way to neutralize the superior striking skills of a stand-up fighter or to prevent takedowns by a superior ground fighter. The clinch of a Muay Thai fighter is often used to improve the accuracy of knees and elbows by physically controlling the position of the opponent. Wanderlei Silva and Anderson Silva are examples of effective clinch fighters.


Ground-and-pound:
Ground-and-pound is a ground fighting tactic consisting of taking an opponent to the ground using a takedown or throw, obtaining a top, or dominant, position, and then striking the opponent, primarily with the fists. Ground-and-pound is also used as a precursor to attempting submission holds.

This style is used by wrestlers or other fighters well-versed in submission defense and skilled at takedowns. They take the fight to the ground, maintain a grappling position, and strike until their opponent submits or is knocked out. Although not a traditional style of striking (it was first demonstrated as an effective technique by UFC and PRIDE grand prix champion, Mark Coleman), the effectiveness and reliability of ground-and-pound has made it a popular tactic. Today, strikes on the ground are an essential part of a fighter's training. Randy Couture and Tito Ortiz are examples of effective ground-and-pound fighters.


Submission grappling
Apart from being a general martial arts term, submission grappling is also a reference to the ground fighting tactic consisting of taking an opponent to the ground using a takedown or throw and then applying a submission hold, forcing the opponent to submit. While grapplers will often work to attain dominant position, some may be more comfortable fighting from other positions. If a grappler finds themselves unable to force a takedown, they may resort to pulling guard, whereby they physically pull their opponent into a dominant position on the ground.

Submissions are an essential part of many disciplines, most notably catch wrestling, judo, Sambo, pankration, Army Combatives, MCMAP and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Josh Barnett, BJ Penn, the brothers Antônio Rodrigo and Antônio Rogério Nogueira, Shinya Aoki and Fedor Emelianenko are examples of submission grapplers.

The Abu Dhabi Combat Club and FILA Grappling World Wrestling Games are examples of submission grappling tournaments.


Lay-and-pray
Lay-and-pray is a pejorative term for a strategy whereby a fighter can control their opponent on the ground, but is unable to mount an effective offense. They simply seek to negate the offense of their opponent, "praying" for a decision victory. In some MMA promotions, penalties may be imposed for lay-and-pray techniques if the referee determines that a fighter is stalling.



Safety

While competition in the sport is occasionally depicted as brutal by the media, there had never been a death or crippling injury in a sanctioned event in North America until the death of Sam Vasquez on November 30, 2007. Vasquez collapsed shortly after being knocked out by Vince Libardi in the third round of an October 20, 2007 fight at the Toyota Center in Houston, Texas. Vasquez had two separate surgeries to remove blood clots from his brain, and shortly after the second operation suffered a major stroke and never regained consciousness. While questions have been asked about Vasquez's health before his final bout no firm indications of pre-existing problems have yet surfaced. Since he was age 35, he would have had to undergo extensive pre-fight medical screening in order to obtain a license to compete in Texas.

This was the third verified fatality in MMA. The first in MMA competition was the 1998 death of Douglas Dedge in an unsanctioned fight in Ukraine. There are unconfirmed reports that Dedge had a pre-existing medical condition.
The second was the 2005 death of a 35-year old man only identified as Lee in South Korea. This took place in an unsanctioned event in a restaurant called Gimme Five.

A study by Johns Hopkins University concluded, "the overall injury rate [excluding injury to the brain] in MMA competitions is now similar to other combat sports [involving striking], including boxing. Knockout rates are lower in MMA competitions than in boxing. This suggests a reduced risk of traumatic brain injury in MMA competitions when compared to other events involving striking.


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Crimson Guard
Wednesday, August 6th, 2008, 07:56 AM
That UFC stuff though is too much tainted and sports entertainment, much like WWF is for wrestling. I used to Greco-Roman wrestle back in High School, miss doing it, but backyard wrestling is fun at times too.

Guntwachar
Wednesday, August 6th, 2008, 08:19 AM
I did kick-boxing and Aikido and tried Free Fighting for a little while.

But i agree that UFC is now on the point that they need to think about if they want it to be sport that can turn world wide as in like K1 in Japan or if they want it to be like WWE/WWF wich is basicly getting ignored by real fighting fans and most continents.

I like the fights from UFC but the american fighters tend to do this trashtalk hype from WWE/WWF while in K1 two fighters would hug eachother after a fight and before the fight talk with respect about eachother, its also not uncommen to see a former champion or champion in K1 asking the audience to have respect for the new fighters.

But then again smaller MMA tournaments are uniting and trying to get the interest of UFC to join to so all MMA sports can be united in one big worldwide firm and actuallly let the champions compete against eachother.

CrystalRose
Wednesday, August 6th, 2008, 08:46 AM
I'm sure this is basic information for those already into mixed martial arts.. but consider your kicks. I see people kicking and it pains me the way they're twisting their backs/hips causing unnecessary strain. Save your backs!
Here's a helpful video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YpCcJ2SnDs

Guntwachar
Wednesday, August 6th, 2008, 08:56 AM
That was Bas Rutten a Dutch fighter who retired, he isnt in fit shape anymore and getting old for a fighter and well Dutch fighters are known to be strong and good but sloppy.

Every fighter has is own way of moving in MMA depends on there background and what they like of course, Bas Rutten is more a power beast then pure technic;)

Still a good link for people that dont know how to move correctly because indeed if Bas did the kicks like that in his fights he could hurt himself with a kick you dont want that to happen.

Psychonaut
Wednesday, August 6th, 2008, 11:10 PM
As part of my job, I practice and teach a form of MMA called Modern Army Combatives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Army_Combatives).

theTasmanian
Wednesday, August 6th, 2008, 11:20 PM
hahaha Psychonaut we have a american army book about it(at ju-jitsu) we used most of it i what we do even if we are one of the more "traditional" styled clubs
im to old and lazy to compete:D

UFC i think lost a lot of what it had when it put more rule into it ;)

Sidai_Odelai
Sunday, February 15th, 2009, 12:34 AM
I'm sure this is basic information for those already into mixed martial arts.. but consider your kicks. I see people kicking and it pains me the way they're twisting their backs/hips causing unnecessary strain. Save your backs!
Here's a helpful video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YpCcJ2SnDs

I can't watch UFC either for this very reason, and I don't feel sorry for their strain I feel sorry for the audience who can tell who will win every fight because of it.

Most matches I've seen have had the same plot.

OMG! look at this guy kicking! He has NO idea!

WTF? is he Brazilian? (usually not lol) He's like Pele if he was Rocky!

He's going down.

He goes down.

If I hadn't witnessed MMA in Japan first I'd think mixed martial arts a silly concept. After 10 years of kung fu, would never throw a kick in a real fight (and still wont after 20)

In this UFC they continue to pit one who has never learned his lesson throwing a kick against a guy who easily takes advantage of this fact in minutes and the announcers somehow still act like its entertainment.

Though if I was allowed to bet $ on these fights within the first 30 seconds of seeing the participants this would be my favorite sport!!!!:D

Angelcynn Beorn
Monday, June 1st, 2009, 06:45 PM
I can't watch UFC either for this very reason, and I don't feel sorry for their strain I feel sorry for the audience who can tell who will win every fight because of it.

Most matches I've seen have had the same plot.

OMG! look at this guy kicking! He has NO idea!

WTF? is he Brazilian? (usually not lol) He's like Pele if he was Rocky!

He's going down.

He goes down.

If I hadn't witnessed MMA in Japan first I'd think mixed martial arts a silly concept. After 10 years of kung fu, would never throw a kick in a real fight (and still wont after 20)

In this UFC they continue to pit one who has never learned his lesson throwing a kick against a guy who easily takes advantage of this fact in minutes and the announcers somehow still act like its entertainment.

Though if I was allowed to bet $ on these fights within the first 30 seconds of seeing the participants this would be my favorite sport!!!!:D
Despite your years of non-contact kung fu training, many fighters have built entire careers around their kicking ability. The main case in point would be Cro-cop, who has got a highlight reel of 1 kick knockouts to his name.

rainman
Wednesday, June 3rd, 2009, 01:24 AM
MMA was originally a concept in which all different martial arts would compete against each other for supremacy. Since Dana White bought it its popularity has grown but the concept has become changed. Now everyone trains in the same art, this new art they created called "MMA". There's no variety they are all taught to fight the same way even though there are many different styles that could be used in the ring like back when the sport started.

The other thing is technically a lot of the fighting is crap. The fighters are very stupid martial arts wise and make a lot of mistakes. They also pull their punches and do other things to make the fight last longer or be more exiting. Most realistic fights would not last past the first round, which you see some real fights in MMA but most of them just sort of milk it for the money. You can easily tell once you start watching the matches closely you can see them not hitting each other very hard (especially when they are on the ground). Even a lot of times the ref has to jump in and be like "you guys are here to fight".

Obviously not a lot of well trained fighters and not a lot of intelligent fighters in the MMA. I think most people that are really good at martial arts or really intelligent are not going to go in the ring and get their head knocked around. That's honestly why I don't fight. I would like to train and do it for fun but I don't want to loose brain cells. So obviously the people fighting are usually people who don't have much to loose. Though I liked Corteur or however you spell his name (the old guy) because he does a lot of technical stuff and intelligent stuff by studying his opponent and figuring out how to beat him by exploiting his weakness.

The one thing I can say is that these guys have incredible cardio typically. They usually have pretty impressive wrestling skills too, but other than that I see mistakes all the time and I'm no grand master. You have to understand though its a sport and its out there to make money. If people really fought for real they would get so injured they wouldn't be able to fight much or make any money. The fights would also be over really quick and the fans will be disapointed (like Brock lesnars 30 second first fight). So you have to balance realism with making money. None of this TV fighting stuff is 100% real. Punches are pulled people do high kicks and stuff cuz they look cool, they usually will cut their eye so they bleed all over the place but its not a serious injury etc. I still love to watch it though. I would just love to see people do different styles like in the old days see some kung fu out there and some karate etc.

Angelcynn Beorn
Sunday, June 7th, 2009, 02:08 PM
Oh please. There may be something to say on the subject of the UFC watering down the rules from the original NHB days, but to try and claim the whole thing is faked like the WWE is ridiculous. People don't cut themselves, punches are not pulled, and anyone with a speck of intelligence can see that the high kicks that people throw do actually knock people out for real.


Obviously not a lot of well trained fighters and not a lot of intelligent fighters in the MMA. I think most people that are really good at martial arts or really intelligent are not going to go in the ring and get their head knocked around. That's honestly why I don't fight. I would like to train and do it for fun but I don't want to loose brain cells. So obviously the people fighting are usually people who don't have much to loose.

MMA has world champion kickboxers, boxers, submission wrestling world champs, olympic judokas, BJJ world champions, and black belts of just about every art out there all fighting within it. Fedor Emelianenko became the national champion of both Sambo and Judo in his homecountry before he went into MMA.

The people fighting are making millions out of their athletic ability, which is a far more intelligent thing to do than spending your life mastering an art just to never use it.

And for someone going on about intelligence and brain cells you might want to check your spelling. It's 'lose' not 'loose'.


I would just love to see people do different styles like in the old days see some kung fu out there and some karate etc.

They do, it's just that the vast majority of people whose sole training is in traditional martial arts like karate and kung fu do terribly at real fighting and never make it to the top. The sole exception would be Lyoto Machida, who is a top ranked fighter from a karate background.

exit
Sunday, June 7th, 2009, 02:39 PM
The heyday of Pride was by far the best, but declined after the combined rules. You cannot seriously have an MMA match without the four-point attack, kicks to a downed opponent, etc. The only thing bad about Pride was the no-elbow rule and the silly boxing ring. The UFC was better when there was more blood, now it seems there is rarely ever blood. The fighters are more concerned with hugging and hand slapping every few minutes or so which completely ruins the fighter attitude--is this a fight or a soap opera? The worst thing about the UFC though is its terrible commentators. Why does he yell out his stupid opinions? Pride commentators were much more learned, professional and funny as hell. After all, MMA is entertainment. If someone who always falls down when he tries a high kick then it is appropriate to make a joke out of it. Really, anyone who cannot kick without falling down, usually wrestlers, doesn't belong in MMA. MMA seems to be dominated by one-dimensional fighters who merely wrestle, ground and pound, and occasionally throw a leg up for a triangle (really hard is it?), or box for three rounds.

Gestr
Thursday, September 17th, 2009, 08:51 AM
They do, it's just that the vast majority of people whose sole training is in traditional martial arts like karate and kung fu do terribly at real fighting and never make it to the top. The sole exception would be Lyoto Machida, who is a top ranked fighter from a karate background.

Some of the very best fighters in the world come from a karate background. Andy Hug is obvious. Really good karate guys just don't compete in MMA. Most of the really good karate guys are in the Shotokan and Kyokushin organisations. They aren't sport oriented arts, and MMA is not "real fighting". However, when they do compete, they win--as Machida shows. And Machida isn't the sole exception--he's just an example of a top level Karateka. Liddell and St.Pierre are also champions based in Karate. They cross-train like everyone else, but Karate is their primary fighting style.

Angelcynn Beorn
Tuesday, September 22nd, 2009, 01:14 AM
Some of the very best fighters in the world come from a karate background. Andy Hug is obvious. Really good karate guys just don't compete in MMA. Most of the really good karate guys are in the Shotokan and Kyokushin organisations. They aren't sport oriented arts, and MMA is not "real fighting". However, when they do compete, they win--as Machida shows. And Machida isn't the sole exception--he's just an example of a top level Karateka. Liddell and St.Pierre are also champions based in Karate. They cross-train like everyone else, but Karate is their primary fighting style.

Shotokan and Kyokushin are both intensely sport oriented arts, to say otherwise is a nonsense. And MMA is far closer to real fighting than Kyokushin is, let alone Shotokan.

Also, just because Liddell and St. Pierre trained in karate whilst children does not mean that karate is the reason they became champions. Liddell has absolutely nothing in his fighting style that looks karate, and St Pierre is most famous for his wrestling ability and athleticism. Machida is the only top level fighter who is based in karate.

Gestr
Tuesday, September 22nd, 2009, 06:50 AM
Shotokan and Kyokushin are both intensely sport oriented arts, to say otherwise is a nonsense. And MMA is far closer to real fighting than Kyokushin is, let alone Shotokan.

Also, just because Liddell and St. Pierre trained in karate whilst children does not mean that karate is the reason they became champions. Liddell has absolutely nothing in his fighting style that looks karate, and St Pierre is most famous for his wrestling ability and athleticism. Machida is the only top level fighter who is based in karate.

Traditional Shotokan is not a sport style whatsoever, and MMA is nothing like a real no-hold fight. In traditional Shotokan, they don't even wear gloves like they do in MMA; they just knock each other out.

Liddell trains in karate to this very day. His primary trainer for his UFC fights, is the same Kempo Karate instructor he's used all his life. St Pierre is certainly not known primarily for his wrestling, and athleticism isn't a fighting style I'm aware of. St. Pierre trained in Kyokushin for roughly 10 years. Many top MMA fighters are primarily Karate-based as far as their standup fighting.

Angelcynn Beorn
Wednesday, September 23rd, 2009, 01:14 AM
Liddell trains in karate to this very day. His primary trainer for his UFC fights, is the same Kempo Karate instructor he's used all his life. St Pierre is certainly not known primarily for his wrestling (are you serious?), and athleticism isn't a fighting style I'm aware of. St. Pierre trained in Kyokushin for roughly 10 years. Many top MMA fighters are primarily Karate-based as far as their standup fighting.

First of all Kempo isn't a traditional karate style, it's a hybrid fighting system that traces it's origins back to 1970's Hawaii. Secondly since his demolition of Hughes and Penn the talk about St Pierre has been about almost nothing other than his wrestling ability.

I said St Pierre is famous for his athleticism, but nowhere did i ever say that it was a fighting style.

Lastly, name these fighters.

Angelcynn Beorn
Wednesday, September 23rd, 2009, 01:20 AM
"I do boxing, wrestling, Muay Thai, jujitsu -- that’s the four disciplines that I do. I also do sprinting and strength-conditioning."

Georges St-Pierre

http://uk.askmen.com/sports/bodybuilding_200/212_fitness_tip.html

CharlesMartel
Thursday, August 5th, 2010, 11:27 PM
As we prepare for Armageddon, MMA can become distracting. It's awesome, but only ONE type of combat. White warriors need comprehensive fighting skills, i.e., weapons, as in GUNS.

Vanirmagic
Wednesday, January 11th, 2012, 03:23 AM
I love MMA, Marloes Coenen is godlike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbUTDPE5y_s

Disipline, strenght, technique-skills, balance...she got it all.

Get to the kitchen and get her a beer guys :P