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SuuT
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 01:43 AM
Randy Couture (Extreme Faelid and Progressive)



http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300518&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.murrayinthemorning.co m%2FOIFAP%2F200401%2Frandy_couture2.gifh ttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30052a&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.canadastarboxing.com% 2FImages-UFC%2Frandy-couture-0512.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30051e&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fight.hu%2Fimage_uplo ad%2Fmore_2004_08_03_10_36_randy_couture .jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300527&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcfighter.com%2FPICTU RES%2FUFC33%2Fcouture.jpg

http://65.214.37.88/ts?t=16095686943744571288 (http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30050b&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.portlandtribune.com%2 Fphotogallery%2F0311bestofnovember%2Fima ges%2FS.Couture100703TP02.jpg)http://mmafighting.com/interviews/images/Randy_Couture.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300521&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.johng.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2006%2F02%2Fbscap000 4.jpg

SuuT
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 01:49 AM
Jamie Pressley (Faelid [progressive tendencies but no preponderance])



http://t2.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=762052420951&id=29ee95474a6c6f3ce246ff644ea09bf3http://t1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=760376527970&id=0a7801409b5c9516beecebc7843ea6c7http://t6.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=773226249345&id=8df1c24b60e99d670fed435dd8391a0dhttp://t9.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=770168724048&id=25839c519508f1c6ed110c7c72870249
http://t2.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=770774822951&id=b0a89ed1d0edf5393dcbe218057aa26fhttp://t2.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=773046274601&id=34fb23daf2e5688a2997b64a45922076http://t5.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=762765386044&id=1ea6ccf666d043b9560669dbacd8258d

Glynd Eastŵd
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 01:51 AM
This type of 'extreme Cromagnid' thread has been long overdue! :thumbup

John C. Reilly:

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/546/546259/john-c-reilly-20040909065944581-000.jpg

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/richard_deitsch/08/03/oreilly/t1_reilly.jpg

He is what comes into my mind when I think of Irish Bruenns.

SuuT
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 02:03 AM
This type of 'extreme Cromagnid' thread has been long overdue! :thumbup

John C. Reilly:

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/546/546259/john-c-reilly-20040909065944581-000.jpg

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/richard_deitsch/08/03/oreilly/t1_reilly.jpg

He is what comes into my mind when I think of Irish Bruenns.

Textbook Cromagnid Alpinisation/Robust Alpine: Compare with--(http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1781/233eh.png).

Theudiskaz
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 02:06 AM
Ed Harris http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/bigpicture/images/edharris.jpghttp://staff.washington.edu/meganw/boy/ed.jpg

Pro-Alpine
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 05:41 AM
Kurtwood Smith

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/6/68/Red_Forman_(That_'70s_Show)_-_Time_is_on_My_Side.jpghttp://image.blog-24.com/325337.jpg
http://blogs.allocine.fr/blogsdatas/blogs/s/e/sex-violence-rap-et-flouze/img/70show_redforman.jpg

Glynd Eastŵd
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 12:57 PM
Textbook Cromagnid Alpinisation/Robust Alpine: Compare with--(http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1781/233eh.png).

He doesn't look Alpinid at all. You would never find such rugged features on an Alpinised individual. Look at his robust forehead, stubby nose; the indentation of his browridge, his tell-tale Cromagnid curly hair and thick neck. At 6'2 and mesomorphic he is the epitomy of Cromagnid. The rest of you are posting mostly reduced Faelid types which have been gracialised by Nordid admixture. Ed Harris is simply not a good example.

Theudiskaz
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 01:06 PM
The rest of you are posting mostly reduced Faelid types which have been gracialised by Nordid admixture. Ed Harris is simply not a good example.I see little to no Nordid admixture in Ed Harris. I dare you to find a better example of a living Cromagnon. There aren't many.

Galaico
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 01:11 PM
Kirsten Dunst

http://www.cherylshuman.com/film/images/Kirsten%20Dunst%20Cheryl%20Shuman.jpghtt p://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/personalidades/atores/kirsten-dunst/kirsten-dunst03.jpg
http://hollywood.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/kirstendunst5.JPGhttp://www.odmag.com/dick/images/dick-kirsten-dunst-1.jpg



Diane Kruger

http://place-au-fussoir.blogspirit.com/images/medium_1802_662345527_diane_kruger_10_h1 90204_l.jpghttp://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040523/diane.jpg
http://www.stars-celebrites.com/photos/K/kruger01.jpghttp://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/j/Diane%20Kruger.jpg

Pervitinist
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 01:12 PM
Gerhard Schröder,
pred CM German "Sozi" ex-chancellor and political animal in the truest sense:

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,523038,00.jpg

http://www2.onnachrichten.t-online.de/dyn/c/35/53/76/3553766,tid=i.jpg

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/BiographieSchroederGerhardSPD_photoAutog raphSchroederGerhardSPD/index.jpg

Glynd Eastŵd
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 01:17 PM
I see little to no Nordid admixture in Ed Harris. I dare you to find a better example of a living Cromagnon. There aren't many.

Faelids and Cromagnids in general are not suppose to have such massive foreheads, rather short and brick-like ones. He is leptomorphic, has a leptorrhine nose, is narrow-faced, his jaw looks compressed and his chin isn't all that deep. Agrippa posted his profile in another thread:

http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/030212/182544__harris_l.jpg

Far too gracile to be the 'best example of a living Cromagnon'. Bear in mind also that as people age they look more robust. I bet if somebody digged up some photos of him in his youth he would look more Nordid than anything else.

Glynd Eastŵd
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 01:30 PM
Jim Morrison:

http://tenaviv1.interfree.it/fotojmorrison/004-morrison.jpg

http://charquinho.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/jim%20morrison1.JPG

http://www.89decibeles.com/especiales/portada/03_10_rockstars/images/jim_morrison.jpg

Pervitinist
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 01:47 PM
Alois Hitler senior:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/a9/180px-Alois_Hitler_last_years.jpghttp://www.arikah.net/commons/en/4/41/Alois_Hitler.jpeg

Vanir
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 02:08 PM
http://www.wk2006.nl/img/oliver%20kahn.jpg
Oliver Kahn always struck me as exceptionally robust

along with the unknown chap in the image attached. I have no problems envisioning similar fellows hunting Bison and Mammoth with merely flint spears

Agrippa
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 02:25 PM
Ed Harris and Robert Shaw are essentially Cromagnid, just of a more refined (Nordoid influences? Partly Nordised?) and leptomorphic build (constitution) variant. Not all Cromagnids are heavy-archaic in craniofacial and body traits. The original Cromagnids were not all that heavy-broad build neither, nor were the more progressive Kurgan type Cromagnids of the East. One has to imagine constitutional variation in all types, but Cromagnids for sure too. I agree on them being not THAT typical, but still typical though, so:
Robert Shaw, another more progressive Cromagnid/Dalofaelid (similar to Ed Harris, which profile I think is quite Cromagnid, only head higher like in some Troender-like and especially Eastcromagnid/Westbaltid variants):
http://www.spotlightcd.com/hallfame/portraits/robert_shaw.jpg
http://www.crazedfanboy.com/npcr/images/shaw_2.jpg
http://www.bondian.com/books/images/95678130.gifhttp://www.007bond.de/personal/hench/images/grant.jpg
http://jamesbond007.net/advers/Shaw.jpghttp://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/0/0a/270px-Robert_Shaw_as_Quint_in_the_movie_'Jaws' _(1976).jpg

Another more progressive, most likely somewhat Nordoid influenced Cromagnid was John Wayne:
http://www.nedraspyrography.com/John%20Wayne%20photo.jpghttp://www.glendalehigh.com/images2/100years-john-wayne-usc-football.jpg

SuuT
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 08:28 PM
He doesn't look Alpinid at all. You would never find such rugged features on an Alpinised individual. Look at his robust forehead, stubby nose; the indentation of his browridge, his tell-tale Cromagnid curly hair and thick neck. At 6'2 and mesomorphic he is the epitomy of Cromagnid. The rest of you are posting mostly reduced Faelid types which have been gracialised by Nordid admixture. Ed Harris is simply not a good example.

(Damned eye of the beholder...;) )

Are you talking about the individual in this plate?:
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1781/233eh.png

(I used the word "textbook" in the prior post, as this the actual plate for "Robust Alpine", which = less reduced Cro-magnid.)

Or John C. Reilly?

If J. Reilly; well, when I think Irish Bruenns, I think of this here feller:

http://t4.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=776221834033&id=6b7af10657dfaff906126270ffe81a9bhttp://t2.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=775149146461&id=52070b4af5094799c08e99e09ffe9e80http://t1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=770959746740&id=4b8b1bd5d50478138fe9d8c5826569ebhttp://t4.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=775244480783&id=c46154a52eed59f8affb851825a68a5dhttp://t6.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=760984081055&id=8e8746f17beb7ba517f061df9d7f513bhttp://t5.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=775271221684&id=5d344abaf9a6ac45778bc1f79230ebd0

And this old fart:

http://t8.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=776055295317&id=e80fec4c0189bae7b949850cb321f9d2http://t4.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=771439348603&id=9c627a2157fd712bd7f468251ece1e8fhttp://t9.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=774270839168&id=b08df8797d191fcaa3f51f820c194883http://t10.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=751151487709&id=adf5b2d54f9c1943b2fc7c59d1d25d14

Northern Alpines/Robust Alpines have no problem achieving heights in excess of 6'.

Alpines, themselves, are largely reduced cro-magnids; and so a robust Alpine would simply be less reduced.

I see what your saying, though; but his (Reilly's) features, relative to the more robust and harmonious forms alive today (e.g. Randy Couture/Ed Harris--both of whom are also progresive in my book) surely demarcate Reilly as non-progressive and paedomorphic relative to those exemplars.

Compare:

http://t1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=751492873630&id=d35c5668ffc95916a766e3376c051b0chttp://t10.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=773423379169&id=6eb8f0df79168807b40972c293d8fd26http://t1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=759158357250&id=4f75466b9f65d9782f59dcd7b2dbb87e

Nor do I think them to have Nordid influences, per Agrippa; I just think them progressive, and, therefore, phenotypical adjucts to 'Nordic'.

It's a continuum; but, if progressive be our guide, then there is an 'order of progressive rank', as it were, to the cro-magnid subs and variants.

With that logic, one can argue that Couture and Harris are "more Cro-magnid than Cro-magnid"; whereas Reilly is, yes, Cromagnid; but, non-progressive.

BasqueDirndl
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 08:36 PM
Jamie Pressley (Faelid [progressive tendencies but no preponderance])



http://t2.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=762052420951&id=29ee95474a6c6f3ce246ff644ea09bf3http://t1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=760376527970&id=0a7801409b5c9516beecebc7843ea6c7http://t6.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=773226249345&id=8df1c24b60e99d670fed435dd8391a0dhttp://t9.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=770168724048&id=25839c519508f1c6ed110c7c72870249
http://t2.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=770774822951&id=b0a89ed1d0edf5393dcbe218057aa26fhttp://t2.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=773046274601&id=34fb23daf2e5688a2997b64a45922076http://t5.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=762765386044&id=1ea6ccf666d043b9560669dbacd8258d
Yes extremely, I just did a thread of her classification and mentioned that. http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=68336

http://t9.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=770168724048&id=25839c519508f1c6ed110c7c72870249 This is the best picture I've seen of her.

SuuT
Friday, October 6th, 2006, 02:10 AM
Don Frye (Interesting admixture of Brunn and Borreby variant predominance {[minor Faelid] non-progressive but harmonious})



http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30051c&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcfighter.com%2FPICTU RES%2FPRIDE16%2Fdon-frye.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30052e&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcfighter.com%2FPICTU RES%2FPRIDE16%2Ffrye-postfight.jpg
http://sportsmed.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/frye_20020820.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30052e&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcfighter.com%2FPICTU RES%2FPRIDE19%2Fpostfight-frye.jpg
http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30052e&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sherdog.com%2Ffightfi nder%2Fpictures%2Ffrye_profile.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300524&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kaijuhq.org%2Ffrye.jp g

SuuT
Friday, October 6th, 2006, 02:32 AM
Kirsten Dunst

http://www.cherylshuman.com/film/images/Kirsten%20Dunst%20Cheryl%20Shuman.jpghtt p://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/personalidades/atores/kirsten-dunst/kirsten-dunst03.jpg
http://hollywood.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/kirstendunst5.JPGhttp://www.odmag.com/dick/images/dick-kirsten-dunst-1.jpg

I'm with you on Dunst.



Diane Kruger

http://place-au-fussoir.blogspirit.com/images/medium_1802_662345527_diane_kruger_10_h1 90204_l.jpghttp://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040523/diane.jpg
http://www.stars-celebrites.com/photos/K/kruger01.jpghttp://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/j/Diane%20Kruger.jpg


But, this woman is Hallstatt Nordish + Anglo-Saxon.

Galaico
Friday, October 6th, 2006, 10:21 AM
But, this woman is Hallstatt Nordish + Anglo-Saxon.
Diane Kruger?
I think there's Nordid admixture present, but still pred. Dalo-Fälid. I may be wrong, so more opinions are welcomed.

Jäger
Friday, October 6th, 2006, 11:38 AM
I agree that Diane Krüger seems Nordid-CM, I can't spot anything particularily pointing to AS, but no matter what not the best example of a CM, too much Nordid, indeed.

I think Jürgen "von der Lippe" is a good example of Faelid
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/img/105/0,1886,2422505,00.jpg
http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=68176

Agrippa
Friday, October 6th, 2006, 12:21 PM
A typical Cromagnid woman looks more like Courtney Thorne-Smith, she has a still rather Leptosomic constitution though which not all Cromagnids have obviously:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Ctsmith4.jpg

http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVShows/images/20031002/AccordingToJim-bios-thorneSmith/according_thornesmith_235x1.jpg

oneeyeisbetter
Friday, October 6th, 2006, 11:27 PM
How about Johnny Cash? Is he a cro-mag?

Pro-Alpine
Saturday, October 7th, 2006, 09:15 AM
Xabi Alonso

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/06/t/pla/l/207528.jpg

http://www.liverpool.is/myndasafn/profiles/profile_Alonso_180x220.gif

Waarnemer
Saturday, October 7th, 2006, 01:57 PM
http://www.foot-extra.be/assets/images/__franky_vercauteren_www_foot-extra_be_voetbal.jpg
http://www.sport.be/fotospecial/2535/lokand2.jpg

http://www.toplesscelebs.net/Katie_Holmes/Katie-Holmes-topless-8.jpg
http://markoff.szm.sk/obrazky/holmes/Katie%20Holmes%20(water).JPG


tronder type;
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~mq6s-tgsk/ewan/pic/0313.jpg


baltid;
http://www.hrhresorts.com/images/Events/shane-west.gif
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e195/Faded_Halo92/Shane%20West/ShaneWest8.jpg

my grandparents; especially the woman

http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/8742/scannen00175ma.jpg

Theudiskaz
Saturday, October 7th, 2006, 02:49 PM
tronder type;
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~mq6s-tgsk/ewan/pic/0313.jpgTroender, as far as I know, is generally recognized as a Nordid type. Ewan McGregor seems to be a Troender/ Keltic mix to me, and thus predominantly Nordid, but he does have strong CM admixture of a Bruenn sort.

Waarnemer
Saturday, October 7th, 2006, 02:59 PM
tronder type;
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~mq6s-tgsk/ewan/pic/0313.jpgTroender, as far as I know, is generally recognized as a Nordid type. Ewan McGregor seems to be a Troender/ Keltic mix to me, and thus predominantly Nordid, but he does have strong CM admixture of a Bruenn sort.

The Trønder is a variable strain, ranging in type from large, Irish-looking Cro-Magnid individuals (cf. Brünn) and tall, slender Battle-Axe survivors (Corded type), to almost completely Nordid populations (to the point at which it is more sensible to talk about Trønder-influenced Nordids) -

from nordish and coon saw them mostly as unreduced brunn strains

essentially trondelag types are partly gracilised cromagnids

Fionn
Saturday, October 7th, 2006, 05:28 PM
Brendan Gleeson:


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h317/Adalwulf/3528991035.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h317/Adalwulf/Brendan20Gleeson202.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h317/Adalwulf/BrendanGleeson.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h317/Adalwulf/gleeson.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h317/Adalwulf/brendangleeson2.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h317/Adalwulf/troja2.jpg

Pro-Alpine
Saturday, October 7th, 2006, 10:13 PM
Brendan Glesson has "Irish" written all over him.

SuuT
Monday, October 9th, 2006, 10:39 PM
Billy Zane (Borreby predominance [progressive])



http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300527&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ez-entertainment.net%2FZane_Billy.jpghttp://65.214.37.88/ts?t=8316559403915361205 (http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30050b&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.enzogiobbe.com%2Fcele bs%2FBilly_Zane2.jpg)http://65.214.37.88/ts?t=3654065794663949410 (http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30050e&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.enzogiobbe.com%2Fcele bs%2FBilly_Zane5aSW.jpg)http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30052d&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wolfgangcam.de%2FMard i2.jpg
http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30051d&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bttf.com%2Fbacktalk%2 Fwokeup-zane1.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300526&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moviepostershop.com%2 Fitem_img%2FB%2F2%2FB-21801.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300521&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Finfo.date.com%2Fimage%2Fi nfo_apBillyZane.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300523&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.killermovies.com%2 Fb%2Fbackwaters%2FBilly_Zane.jpg

SuuT
Monday, October 9th, 2006, 10:41 PM
Brendan Glesson has (Endomorphic) "Irish" (Bruenn) written all over him.

OneEnglishNorman
Monday, October 9th, 2006, 10:52 PM
Jeremy Clarkson, in my imagination, re-creates the original unreduced Brunn type:

http://www.speedace.info/speedace_images/jeremy_clarkson_top_gear_magazine_the_qu een.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/images/bbc/programmes_tv_idents_and_screenshots/factual/200inventions_clarkson.jpghttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/05/14/nclark14.jpg
http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1289767.jpghttp://www.uktvlms.tv/series_images/909_large.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41150000/jpg/_41150938_clarckson_220.jpg

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000ATJKAC.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

SuuT
Monday, October 9th, 2006, 10:55 PM
Jeremy Clarkson, in my imagination, re-creates the original unreduced Brunn type:

http://www.speedace.info/speedace_images/jeremy_clarkson_top_gear_magazine_the_qu een.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/images/bbc/programmes_tv_idents_and_screenshots/factual/200inventions_clarkson.jpghttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/05/14/nclark14.jpg
http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1289767.jpghttp://www.uktvlms.tv/series_images/909_large.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41150000/jpg/_41150938_clarckson_220.jpg

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000ATJKAC.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I almost posted him as such, but was on the fence.

This is one ugly man; belongs in the "Progressive but unattractive" thread, methinks. How his line survived the Upper Palaeolithic is a bit beyond me.:D

Glynd Eastŵd
Monday, October 9th, 2006, 11:04 PM
Isn't he too long and narrow faced to be pure Bruenn?

SuuT
Monday, October 9th, 2006, 11:10 PM
How about Johnny Cash? Is he a cro-mag?

I'd have to say no.

At least not an exemplar.

You look hard enough at someone, and for long enough, Cro-mag pops out.

But thats really the point of the thread (ergo, "exemplar" instead of "example"): people who you don't have to look at for more than 5-6 seconds from frontal and profile shots to see the cro-mag variants.

SuuT
Monday, October 9th, 2006, 11:14 PM
Isn't he too long and narrow faced to be pure Bruenn?

This is exactly why I ended up not posting him, as the unreduced type is either:

1.) Something else; or,

2.) Far too rare to constitute a variant; and therefore is not an exemplar.

Glynd Eastŵd
Monday, October 9th, 2006, 11:15 PM
Johnny Cash is a bad example because he was diabetic. Many individuals with diabetes are overweight and hence look more robust facially. Cash was no exception. He often spoke about having some Amerind ancestors, too.

Dropkick
Monday, October 9th, 2006, 11:26 PM
Isn't he too long and narrow faced to be pure Bruenn?
I agree. It's too long to be considered an example of a Brunn.

Skildur
Tuesday, October 10th, 2006, 12:38 AM
Good ol' Johny.

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/jon-bon-jovi-2006-br-01.jpg

http://www.mikeward.ca/images/joke/Jon%20Bon%20Jovi%201.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/Catuchita86/jon-bon-jovi.jpg

Skildur
Tuesday, October 10th, 2006, 12:43 AM
John Rzeznik


http://img30.exs.cx/img30/4258/john10.jpg

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Dec-26-Fri-2003/photos/goo.jpg
http://www.dragonflygirl.blogger.com.br/john_rzeznik.jpg
http://www.musicscene.at/cd/pix/rzeznikgross.jpg

http://www.dailyceleb.com/thumbs/tn.DC.77839.jpg

Skildur
Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 11:53 PM
Jeremy Roenick - CM - Nordid.

http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20040114/roenick_42485.jpg

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nhl/2000/1107/photo/s_roenick2_s.jpg

http://www.bodogbeat.com/archives/roenick.jpg

http://www.theslot.com.br/2003/035/pix/roenick.jpg

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/roenick_20021016a.jpg

http://www.tahoecelebritygolf.com/Players/images/Roenick-Jeremy-2.jpg

SuuT
Friday, October 13th, 2006, 12:20 AM
Roenick:

Progressive, too.

SuuT
Friday, October 13th, 2006, 12:22 AM
Somebody put a REALLY good example of a Paleo-Atlantid: I can't find a one.

Waarnemer
Friday, October 13th, 2006, 10:39 AM
Somebody put a REALLY good example of a Paleo-Atlantid: I can't find a one.

katie holmes (http://images.google.be/images?hl=en&q=katie%20holmes&sa=N&tab=wi)

Linda Bengtzing (http://images.google.be/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=Linda+Bengtzing) : tydal

SuuT
Friday, October 13th, 2006, 03:33 PM
... (http://images.google.be/images?hl=en&q=katie%20holmes&sa=N&tab=wi)

Linda Bengtzing (http://images.google.be/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=Linda+Bengtzing) : tydal


Not sure about Holmes...


Bengtzing a definite though. Thank you!

http://hem.passagen.se/henrik.rantala/Linda%20Bengtzing.jpg (http://www.lindabengtzing.com/)http://www.mingel.se/bilder/%7B2D32DA2F-6121-48A2-920A-0EEF11C9A780%7D_1-2.jpghttp://www.fanforum.se/fanclub_images/61874799.jpg

Progressive, too.

Jäger
Friday, October 13th, 2006, 03:59 PM
What about Ballack?

http://euro2004.ard.de/em2004/nachrichten/news200406/19/img/ballack_dpa_180.jpg

http://www.wldcup.com/pictures/euro2004/19761.jpg

Is he a good Paleo-Atlantid examplar?

SuuT
Friday, October 13th, 2006, 04:09 PM
What about Ballack?

http://euro2004.ard.de/em2004/nachrichten/news200406/19/img/ballack_dpa_180.jpg

http://www.wldcup.com/pictures/euro2004/19761.jpg

Is he a good Paleo-Atlantid examplar?

I think he should be on the next set of plates as THE exemplar, actually!

Prognathic, pigmented, brow ridge, angular/protruding jowls, prominent forehead, course skinned, mesomorphic predominace (based on neck) and--he looks angry (:)).

Perfect.

(Also progressive.)

OneEnglishNorman
Friday, October 13th, 2006, 06:38 PM
Re; Paleo-Atlantids, I may be wrong, but here you go;

Olivia Coleman:

http://www.pfd.co.uk/clients/colmano/a-act.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/04/Harriet_Schulenburg_Green_Wing_Series_1. jpg/800px-Harriet_Schulenburg_Green_Wing_Series_1. jpg


Lily Allen (father is Welsh);

http://www.goclipless.com/images/lily_allen_music.jpghttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42161000/jpg/_42161148_allen_getty203b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/50/131662583_baa8e6850b_o.jpg

Glynd Eastŵd
Friday, October 13th, 2006, 07:14 PM
Dominic Holland is a good example of a British Tydal/Paleo-Atlantid:

http://www.millfieldtheatre.co.uk/shows/picture_library/300/45.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/425000/images/_428077_holland150.jpg

http://re3.mm-a7.yimg.com/image/2463853163

http://www.tmcentertainment.co.uk/images/speaker-index/SpeakOutDominicHolland.jpg

OneEnglishNorman
Friday, October 13th, 2006, 07:24 PM
Paleo-Atlantids do seem closely related to infantalised Brunns. Rather heavily lined around the mouth;

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=82715&stc=1&d=1160763848

Skildur
Saturday, October 14th, 2006, 08:17 PM
Not sure about Holmes...


Bengtzing a definite though. Thank you!

http://hem.passagen.se/henrik.rantala/Linda%20Bengtzing.jpg (http://www.lindabengtzing.com/)http://www.mingel.se/bilder/%7B2D32DA2F-6121-48A2-920A-0EEF11C9A780%7D_1-2.jpghttp://www.fanforum.se/fanclub_images/61874799.jpg

Progressive, too.

I think she is partly Lappoid. All Tydals that I have seen so far have Lappoid admixture.

SuuT
Saturday, October 14th, 2006, 09:47 PM
I think she is partly Lappoid. All Tydals that I have seen so far have Lappoid admixture.

I think the variant gives a "Walloon" illusion. And, metrically, PaleoAtlantids are not all that dissimilar from East Baltics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/cass22/coon/07EastBalticsplate.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/cass22/lundborg/Lappish-Mixed.jpg

Whereas the Lapp/Fin composite (bottom right) gives the illusion of East Baltic.

I think the Tydal type to be generally non-progressive; thereby giving a Lappoid-esque relief.

If you look close, you can see that Bengtzing's eyebrows are plucked in such a way as to give a Lappoid illusion (she probably thinks it sexy and cat-like...or, whatever):

http://www.fanforum.se/fanclub_images/61874799.jpg



If you picture where her natural brow-line is, the 'asiatic' illusion is replaced with CM angularity and robusticity.



http://www.millfieldtheatre.co.uk/shows/picture_library/300/45.jpg



Dominic Holland is very much non-progressive (Archaeiform even), which produces the less hominised relief, and Lappoid illusion.


I am unaware of any data that would support a link of genetic markers of the Tydal type that locates them as genotypic relatives to Lapps. By process of elimination, and for the sake of elegance, they would, regardless of relief or Progression, necessarily be PaleoAtlantid.

Skildur
Saturday, October 14th, 2006, 09:58 PM
That's interesting. That would you say about this woman?

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=79578


Do you think this is the same Tydal case? She also looks quite Lappoid too, IMO. Do you think this is only illusion, some "lappoid-like" effect?

SuuT
Saturday, October 14th, 2006, 10:05 PM
Marg Helgenberger (CM: Composite variants/Faelid predominace [Progressive tendencies but no preponderance])



http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVShows/images/20031024/CSI-bio-Helgenberger/CSI_Helgenberger_235.jpghttp://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVShows/img2/160/160_marg_helgenberger.jpghttp://www.600.org/tv_stars/pictures/marg_helgenberger.jpghttp://oldtv.zap2it.com/shows/slides/emmys03/redcarpet/marghelgenberger.jpg (http://oldtv.zap2it.com/shows/features/slideshows/emmy03_redcarpet/slide37.html)http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300520&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kidstribute.com%2Ftri bute_objects%2Fimages%2Fstars%2Fmarg_hel genberger.jpghttp://www.spybee.com/images/marg_helgenberger.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30052d&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fakeclub.com%2Fbest%2 Ffaces%2Fmarg_helgenberger.jpg

SuuT
Saturday, October 14th, 2006, 10:14 PM
That's interesting. That would you say about this woman?

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=79578


Do you think this is the same Tydal case? She also looks quite Lappoid too, IMO. Do you think this is only illusion, some "lappoid-like" effect?


http://www.studvest.no/bilder/2005/02/9/2056_armbrytersken.jpg

This is why many feel Lundman's types are inferior: When he's wrong, he's really wrong.

She clearly has Lappoid admixture as seen in the massive jowls/mandible and some other markers.

Waarnemer
Saturday, October 14th, 2006, 10:22 PM
I think he should be on the next set of plates as THE exemplar, actually!

Prognathic, pigmented, brow ridge, angular/protruding jowls, prominent forehead, course skinned, mesomorphic predominace (based on neck) and--he looks angry (:)).

Perfect.

(Also progressive.)
ballack is textbook faelid, compare with marco van basten (http://img.interia.pl/sport/nimg/Marco_van_Basten_Van_795777.jpg), paleo-atlantid's are by definition geographical located on the outer western shores of the british isles, and katie holmes is one of them

Skildur
Saturday, October 14th, 2006, 10:28 PM
ballack is textbook faelid, compare with marco van basten (http://img.interia.pl/sport/nimg/Marco_van_Basten_Van_795777.jpg), paleo-atlantid's are by definition geographical located on the outer western shores of the british isles, and katie holmes is one of them


I'd like you to comment Bengtzing too. Do you think she doesn't have Lappoid admixture?

Glynd Eastŵd
Saturday, October 14th, 2006, 10:32 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/cass22/lundborg/Lappish-Mixed.jpg


Suut, where did you find this plate? The caption for the dude in the bottom left made me chuckle. Tramping Lapp with Nordic blood... why not a Tramping Nordic with Lapp blood? He looks much more Nordid than Lapp. But of course, Nordids are refined only to the upper-classes of European society, only Lapps and other inferior subraces can be tramps. Yeah right. Nordicists are all a bunch of bigoted retards. :thumbdown

Waarnemer
Saturday, October 14th, 2006, 10:39 PM
I'd like you to comment Bengtzing too. Do you think she doesn't have Lappoid admixture?
its not really easy many cromagnid elements can be considered pseudo mongoloid, certain when considering more paleo/archaic characteristic. where coon in south-sweden places an (east)baltid element, lundman does precisely that on the same spot with his tydal, PA in the british isles can easily be considered and be seen as the brunn type, but in the north, tydal can't

Patrioten
Saturday, October 14th, 2006, 10:46 PM
Suut, where did you find this plate? The caption for the dude in the bottom left made me chuckle. Tramping Lapp with Nordic blood... why not a Tramping Nordic with Lapp blood? He looks much more Nordid than Lapp. But of course, Nordids are refined only to the upper-classes of European society, only Lapps and other inferior subraces can be tramps. Yeah right. Nordicists are all a bunch of bigoted retards. :thumbdownYou didn't have to be nordicist to dislike lapps back then and think of them as retarded/less intelligent no gooders. They were and are foreign to Swedes, it's only natural for people to distance themselves from what is foreign, just as we want Europeans in general to do with the non Europids. We of all people ought to understand this basic instinct.

Oswiu
Saturday, October 14th, 2006, 11:28 PM
Suut, where did you find this plate? The caption for the dude in the bottom left made me chuckle. Tramping Lapp with Nordic blood... why not a Tramping Nordic with Lapp blood? He looks much more Nordid than Lapp. But of course, Nordids are refined only to the upper-classes of European society, only Lapps and other inferior subraces can be tramps. Yeah right. Nordicists are all a bunch of bigoted retards. :thumbdown
Ditto to the last sentence, ... but!
It's from the Good Old Days. The fellow in the next pic is a Resident Lapp. These are just nomadic and sedentary in today's parlance! A man's being a 'Lapp' or not is solved by the simple technique of asking him. It's up to the anthropologist to spot what subracial tendencies he might display.

Skildur
Saturday, October 14th, 2006, 11:31 PM
Ditto to the last sentence, ... but!
It's from the Good Old Days. The fellow in the next pic is a Resident Lapp. These are just nomadic and sedentary in today's parlance! A man's being a 'Lapp' or not is solved by the simple technique of asking him. It's up to the anthropologist to spot what subracial tendencies he might display.

I think the man is obviously Lapp judging by his clothes

dazed&confused
Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 02:04 AM
Valeria Morosini

http://www.unpostoalsole.rai.it/imgs/cast/popup/valeria_morosini/10.jpg

http://www.unpostoalsole.rai.it/imgs/cast/popup/valeria_morosini/3.jpg

http://www.unpostoalsole.rai.it/imgs/palazzo/personaggi/popup/emma/4.jpg

Pro-Alpine
Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 09:37 AM
Till Lindemann
http://ru.laser.ru/gallery/menfo/till_lindemann.jpg
http://www.mvdaily.com/articles/2004/10/lindemann.jpg

OneEnglishNorman
Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 01:25 PM
Zidane (North African).

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=82882&stc=1&d=1160915073
http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=82883&stc=1&d=1160915073

SuuT
Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 02:14 PM
...paleo-atlantid's are by definition geographical located on the outer western shores of the british isles, and katie holmes is one of them

Not sure what you mean... are you saying that PaleoAtlantids are geographically concentrated or isolated to the outer western shores of the British Isles...? or something else?

Katie Holmes may have CM markers, but is far too paedomorphic to be argued an exemplar of any variant:

I would like us to build a database, to the extent that it is possible, of what was poking around Europa in the early years of the upper Paleolithic.

SuuT
Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 03:46 PM
...But of course, Nordids are refined only to the upper-classes of European society... Yeah right. Nordicists are all a bunch of bigoted retards. :thumbdown

This is indeed a problem (one of many) with the theory of Racial Progression and the essential aspect of Hominisation that, in large part, lifts the theory to a state of tenability (or lack thereof...?).

If I can find the time (which has been difficult) I will be completing an outline for a Philosophy of Racial Progressiveness; therein will be the problems as I see them so that we can all hash out the implication of such things as Nordiform = more Hominised (which is the logical conclusion), Which, at the end of the day, may be little more than an "hominisation or specialisation?" issue: 'Hominisation' may very well be neo-Nordicism.

It's far more complex than this though, as there are myriad of implications of the theory that are not going to be accepted, even if they can be proven true, by non-nordics.

For the record: I am not a Nordicist; and believe that while a homogenisation of 'Germaina' and Europa must take place (is, actually, taking place); there must also be a cadre of the elite achieved by sub-racial admixture.

The theory, for the most, presupposes a mean or median rather than the breeding forth of the afore mentioned cadre.

More on this when I complete the outline, and post it for discussion.

Waarnemer
Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 04:18 PM
Not sure what you mean... are you saying that PaleoAtlantids are geographically concentrated or isolated to the outer western shores of the British Isles...?

yes



Katie Holmes may have CM markers, but is far too paedomorphic to be argued an exemplar of any variant:

I would like us to build a database, to the extent that it is possible, of what was poking around Europa in the early years of the upper Paleolithic.


paedomorphism is typical for females so i don’t see the point, its even more typical regarding cromagnids in general, holmes is a very good looking cromagnid, all other admixture - if any - must lie in the wider cromagnoid spectrum

SuuT
Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 09:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Suut
Not sure what you mean... are you saying that PaleoAtlantids are geographically concentrated or isolated to the outer western shores of the British Isles...?



yes

Well...now you've lost me: that which is concentrated is not necessarily isolated; but that which is isolated is necessarily concentrated.

I think you mean something different than what you are writing; as not only would anyone moving into the British Isles (which would be quite difficult if isolated...) have a claim to being PA, but anyone to move out of the British Isles would no longer be PA even if they are so.

Moreover, Holmes would not be able to be PA, because she is neither concentrated or isolated to this locale.



paedomorphism is typical for females so i don’t see the point, its even more typical regarding cromagnids in general, holmes is a very good looking cromagnid, all other admixture - if any - must lie in the wider cromagnoid spectrum

It is aytpical for female CM's relative to their male counterparts (see examples provided), especially for Faelids and their closest CM couterparts--the PaleoAtlantid. I'm not at all sure where your getting that CM's are typically paedomorphic, unless you are factoring in Alpinids as reduced/paedomorphic CM's--which remains tentative.

Holmes is not Prognathic, brow ridged, does not have angular/protruding jowls, a prominent/protruding forehead, course skin, or (feminine) mesomorphic predominace. She also has a borrealised build, and her occupit is in no way consistent to the variant.

The best argument is that she's some sort of Alpinoid/AtlantoMed composite; or, Americanoid.

At any rate not an exemplar: I think there is some confusion as to what this word means in the context of this thread, so allow me to take the opportunity to provide a definition:

ex·em·plar (http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ibreve.gifg-zhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ebreve.gifmhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifplärhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/lprime.gif, -plhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gifr)
n.

One that is worthy of imitation; a model. See Synonyms at ideal (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ideal).
One that is typical or representative; an example. Randy Couture is (typical or representative) of Cromagnid man that was likely poking around Upper Paleolithic Europe.
An ideal that serves as a pattern; an archetype. Ed Harris has been recognised as posessing all of the markers typical to Upper Paleolithic survivors; and is therefore a Cro-magnid exemplar.
A copy, as of a book.

SuuT
Monday, October 16th, 2006, 03:15 PM
Behold!--the CM 'missing link':D : Josey Scott (Archaeiform)



http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300516&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nascar.com%2F2002%2Fn ews%2Fheadlines%2Fwc%2F08%2F12%2Fscott_a nthem%2Fbuddy_wide.JPGhttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30050f&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv.com%2Fshared%2Fme dia%2Fnews%2Fimages%2Fs%2FSaliva%2Fsq_jo sey_scott_wanted_tnt.jpghttp://savagemultimedia.com/images/saliva_aug03C1.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300511&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sugarbuzzmagazine.com %2Fjosey1.jpghttp://www.voxonline.com/alternative/saliva2002/sal3.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30050c&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thevoiceconnection.co m%2Fjosey2.jpg

Kadu
Monday, October 16th, 2006, 08:07 PM
Can anyone post Reduced CM's, please.

Waarnemer
Monday, October 16th, 2006, 08:48 PM
Well...now you've lost me: that which is concentrated is not necessarily isolated; but that which is isolated is necessarily concentrated.


I think you mean something different than what you are writing; as not only would anyone moving into the British Isles (which would be quite difficult if isolated...) have a claim to being PA, but anyone to move out of the British Isles would no longer be PA even if they are so.

Moreover, Holmes would not be able to be PA, because she is neither concentrated or isolated to this locale.

despite the superfluous nonsense which seem to drown your post i will dignify it with an answer, it may have slipped your mind, i didn’t use terms like concentrated nor isolated for that matter, still both can be considered facts in themselves, if you’ve only would had read lundman more thoroughly. since the original comment was made regarding your erroneous assertion of ballack, everything falls on its place, ballack simply can’t be palaeatlantid his racial ancestors dwell from central europe and the palaeatlantid type on its turn is a proto and rest type not affected by gracialisation, thus logically geographically located in the outposts of europe just like the berid race in the interior of sardinia didn’t made the adjustments regarding to the renewal of agriculture



It is aytpical for female CM's relative to their male counterparts (see examples provided), especially for Faelids and their closest CM couterparts--the PaleoAtlantid. I'm not at all sure where your getting that CM's are typically paedomorphic, unless you are factoring in Alpinids as reduced/paedomorphic CM's--which remains tentative.

this just isn’t true, its called sexualdimorphism, differences between male and female in the cromangid type are great by definition, skulls of males are easily distinguished from the females, there is a greater difference between the sexes than is usual among more recent groups of man, so we have a stronger development of secondary sexual characteristics this shows itself especially in muscular development and robusticity


Holmes is not Prognathic, brow ridged, does not have angular/protruding jowls, a prominent/protruding forehead, course skin, or (feminine) mesomorphic predominace. She also has a borrealised build, and her occupit is in no way consistent to the variant.

she displays certainly clear cromagnid tendencies, (protruding) malars, cheekbones, her - in comparison of for say hitler - medium overhanging browridges (sexualdimorphism), her distance between the eyes, deep, wide mandible, deepset eyes, depressed root of the nose, the breadth of the face and not even minimal gracilised, the nose mesorrhine the tip is somewhat thick, and a bit upturned, I wouldn’t wonder ive she had a scaphoid skull shape, a protruding forehead again is a female characteristic, still she could very well be flat headed and low skulled

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8316/kh1fv5.th.jpg (http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kh1fv5.jpg)http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7544/kh33qi5.th.jpg (http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kh33qi5.jpg)http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6794/normalhqaw075og6.th.jpg (http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=normalhqaw075og6.jpg)http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5691/normalkh7rr5.th.jpg (http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=normalkh7rr5.jpg)
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/466/katieholmespregnant4bigql3.th.jpg (http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=katieholmespregnant4bigql3. jpg)

compare with tydal woman
http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scandinavianfromtydal0vm.jp g


The best argument is that she's some sort of Alpinoid/AtlantoMed composite; or, Americanoid.
you lack the ability to make a distinction between europid phenotypes and mongoloid ones so perhaps its better to entomb yourself in silence



At any rate not an exemplar: I think there is some confusion as to what this word means in the context of this thread, so allow me to take the opportunity to provide a definition:

ex·em·plar (http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ibreve.gifg-zhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ebreve.gifmhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifplärhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/lprime.gif, -plhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gifr)
n.

One that is worthy of imitation; a model. See Synonyms at ideal (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ideal).
One that is typical or representative; an example. Randy Couture is (typical or representative) of Cromagnid man that was likely poking around Upper Paleolithic Europe.
An ideal that serves as a pattern; an archetype. Ed Harris has been recognised as posessing all of the markers typical to Upper Paleolithic survivors; and is therefore a Cro-magnid exemplar.
A copy, as of a book.

for christ sake you’re 36, are you really so childish and pretentious that you think to can make the so called ultimate decision?

Waarnemer
Friday, October 20th, 2006, 12:00 PM
Can anyone post Reduced CM's, please.
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe111.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe112.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe113.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe114.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe121.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe122.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe123.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe124.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe131.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe132.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe133.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe134.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe141.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe142.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe143.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe144.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe145.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe151.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe152.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe153.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe154.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe155.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe156.jpg

Nseag
Tuesday, October 24th, 2006, 04:37 AM
Brünn Types (http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5230/brnnbrnnnordidandbrnnslightmongolizedop2 .jpg) (only 1 I consider pure Brünn)

Brünn, Brünns+Nordid, Brünns+Alpinid, Brünn+Nordid+Baltid and Brünn+other mongoloid influence.

visigodo
Saturday, October 28th, 2006, 07:02 AM
Classic North-Cromagnids from Lundborg:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5979/ncho9.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ncho9.jpg)

South-Cromagnids from Günther:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1992/sc1fq1.th.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sc1fq1.jpg)
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4567/sc2nk8.th.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sc2nk8.jpg)

Agrippa
Saturday, October 28th, 2006, 01:06 PM
From which of Günther's works are the S-Cromagnids from?

visigodo
Saturday, October 28th, 2006, 04:11 PM
From which of Günther's works are the S-Cromagnids from?

From "Rassenkunde Europas", the 1929's edition.

Pro-Alpine
Thursday, November 2nd, 2006, 10:48 PM
Antonio Banderas. Good Berid example.

http://i11.tinypic.com/2qitjqa.jpg http://i11.tinypic.com/33ucsic.jpg http://i12.tinypic.com/2uhnuqr.jpg

Fionn
Friday, November 10th, 2006, 03:04 AM
Colm Meaney

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h317/Adalwulf/meaney.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h317/Adalwulf/200px-Colmmeaney.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h317/Adalwulf/320x240.jpg

SuuT
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 08:52 PM
CroMagnid Skulls



http://www.paleodirect.com/images/casts/bh017b.jpg



http://www.paleodirect.com/images/casts/bh017a.jpg



http://www.paleodirect.com/images/casts/bh017c.jpg



http://www.msu.edu/~heslipst/contents/ANP440/images/Cromagnon_1_front.jpghttp://www.msu.edu/~heslipst/contents/ANP440/images/Cromagnon_1_fronta.jpg
http://www.msu.edu/~heslipst/contents/ANP440/images/Cromagnon_1_rangle.jpg
http://www.msu.edu/~heslipst/contents/ANP440/images/Cromagnon_1_rside.jpg



http://www.global-technologies.net/ShopSite/media/VP752_l.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/palaeoanthropology/cro-magnon.gifhttp://www.skulls-skeletons.com/catalog/images/H1JW9%20-%20Cro-Magnon%20-%203.JPGhttp://www.ecotao.com/holism/h_cro_mag.gifhttp://www.baystatereplicas.com/images/repro_cromagnom.jpg



http://www.ossafreelance.co.uk/Images/VP752_Lcro-magnonthumbnail.jpghttp://q12.org/novey/europe2003/dordogne/615-1.jpg

SuuT
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 10:23 PM
Chuck Liddell (Brunn [relative disharmony...you can give him the bad news.])


http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30050f&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.canadastarboxing.com% 2FImages-UFC%2FChuck-Liddell-0305c2.jpghttp://65.214.37.88/ts?t=3309525981340285053 (http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300518&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.knucklepit.com%2F_t3c huck_liddell_03.jpg)
http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30052d&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usmta.com%2Fimages%2F chuck-Liddell-pic.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300510&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bravo.co.uk%2Ffightsi te%2Fimages%2Fufc_contenders%2Fchuck_lid dell.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300511&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.members.shaw.ca%2Fufc extreme%2FGraphics%2Fchuck_liddell.jpg
http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30050d&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arthurshall.com%2Fima ges%2Fcustom_images%2Fchuck_liddell.gifh ttp://www.fcfighter.com/PICTURES/UFC47/pf-liddell.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300525&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.martialinfo.com%2Fcon tacts%2F8057.jpghttp://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30051b&ip=4589c8e3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.knucklepit.com%2F_tch uck%2520liddell52.jpg

Agrippa
Saturday, November 18th, 2006, 03:28 PM
He is Cromagnoid but not Cromagnid proper I'd say, his CI will be too high I guess, probably rather "Borrebish" or intermediate (Bruenn/Dalofaelid - Borreby).

SuuT
Sunday, November 19th, 2006, 02:24 PM
He is Cromagnoid but not Cromagnid proper I'd say, his CI will be too high I guess, probably rather "Borrebish" or intermediate (Bruenn/Dalofaelid - Borreby).

I think that CM–oids and CM-ish that are borderline Cm-ids (:D) (barring the very few atavistic reappearances that exist – some of which I think we’ve managed to compile here) given that the CM of the upper Paleolithic was largely assimilated into the North African and (mostly) European gene pool, rather than actually surviving as a disparate phenotypically pure entity, is about as good as were going to get, though. Again, the caveat: “to the extent that this is possible” (exemplars that could have been around the early years of the UP) is crucial.

Here is a side-by-side profile shot of Liddell and Couture for people to compare against one another, and the skulls provided below (note both are [probably] mesocephalic; and both have flattened occiput, heavy brow ridge, and stalwart jowls):


http://www.kickboxing.com/Articles/Images/liddell-couture-3.jpg





Let me take advantage, Agrippa, to provide a definition of CI (Cephalic Index) for those who don’t know what it is, or how it applies:



CI/ Cephalic Index

A rating scale that is used to measure the size of the head. It is done by multiplying the maximum width of the head by 100 and dividing that number by the maximum length of the head. The resulting number provides a ratio of the maximum width of the head to the maximum length of the head. A ratio is the relationship of one quantity to another.
The maximum width of the head is technically defined as the maximum width of the bones that surround the head, above the supramastoid crest. The supramastoid crest is a rough, raised bone that forms the back part of the zygomatic process. The zygomatic process is a bone that attaches to the temporal bone. The temporal bone is a large bone forms the bottom part of the skull and is near the ears. The maximum length of the head is technically defined as the maximum length from the most easily noticed part of the glabella to the most easily noticed point on the back part of the head. The glabella is a flat triangular bone between two rough, raised bones on the forehead, near the eyebrows.

The cephalic index is also known as the length-breadth index. Cephalic index comes from the Greek word "kephale" meaning "head," the Greek word "ikos" meaning "pertaining to," and the Latin word "index" meaning "that which points out." Put the words together and you get "pertaining to that which points out (the) head."

It was defined by Swedish professor of anatomy Anders Retzius (1796-1860) and first used in physical anthropology to classify ancient human remains found in Europe. It has been generally discredited since a study Franz Boas made at the turn of the 19th/20th century; however, Boas's study has recently been itself heavily criticised (v. Sparks & Jantz, 2002, at Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences, USA).


http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/subtype/heads.GIF


Dolicocephalic head (left), Mesocephalic head (center), Brachycephalic head (right)



Narrow or dolichocephalic (up to 74.9), medium or mesocephalic (75.0 to 79.9), and broad or brachycephalic (over 80.0); and further into low or chamaecephalic (up to 70.0), medium or orthocephalic (70.1 to 75.0), and high or hypsicephalic (over 75.0).


ultradolichocephalic (55.0 to 59.9) hyperdolichocephalic (60.0 to 64.9), hyperbrachycephalic (85.0 to 89.9) and ultrabrachyhcephalic (90.0 to 94.9).


What is most interesting about CM’s (to me) is that while the mean cephalic index of CM’s (from actual skulls, and cranial reconstructions from fragments) is at 73.34. However, this is, after all, the mean: the average: the CI of all skulls thus found or reconstructed via fragments, divided by the total number found and reconstructed. What the mean does not tell us is that the skulls thus far found and/or reconstructed from fragments actually range from border-line hyperdolicephalic, to border line hyperbrachycephalic (!).

In short, an argument (and a strong one) can be made that CI is a poor predictor of Cro-Magnon/id/isation.

Agrippa
Sunday, November 19th, 2006, 02:38 PM
Liddell has a more typical Borreby skull, almost somewhat Dinariform from the side, whereas Couture has a more classic Europid skull shape and seems to be longer headed. I'm quite sure Liddell is brachycephalic, but Couture rather not or at least not that extreme, with a more sloping forehead etc.

Couture has just a classic Europid profile, Liddell shows stronger brachymorphisation:

http://www.mmaringreport.com/proshop/images/ufc_52_dvd_m.jpg

Couture is much closer to a classic Europid Cromagnid, from the cranium, over the face to the body, overall very progressive Cromagnid with certain minor archaic tendencies which fit into his basic type's character:
http://img1.yoxio.com/img/131786.jpg

http://www.ufcfightnews.com/ufc49/images/couture-belfort3142.jpg

Liddell is already more Alpinoid - but fits best into the Borreby category I'd say.


It has been generally discredited since a study Franz Boas made at the turn of the 19th/20th century; however, Boas's study has recently been itself heavily criticised (v. Sparks & Jantz, 2002, at Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences, USA).

Boas was the most harmful individual in anthropological science in the early 20th century, he was obviously motivated by ideological concepts which simply didnt allowed him to accept racial typological concepts in general, so he tried everything he could to discredit such concepts from his radical ultra-egalitarian perspective on things.

The classic Cromagnoids were all dolicho- to mesocephalic, but there was a stronger tendency in later forms towards brachycephalisation which resulted finally together with other changes and trends in Alpinisation and Baltisation in certain areas and populations.

Skyht
Sunday, November 19th, 2006, 03:01 PM
I have made the experience that that some non-European Cromagnids are more similar to the Brunn with their specific traits, than to other European Cromagnids. Not if we ignore possible direct links to up to 10000 years ago, can we assume that Brunns were the original Cromagnids, to have an answer to why non-European Cromagnids have traits that fit closely to that of Brunns ?

One such trait are the thicker lips of the Brunns compared to other Cromagnoids (that’s at least what I could read on anthropological websites). Is it known if thicker lips were a typical trait of original Cromagnids ?

(This is only theory by ignoring possible direct Indo European relations of the past 10000 years as reason for the similarity)

SuuT
Sunday, November 19th, 2006, 03:08 PM
...Boas was the most harmful individual in anthropological science in the early 20th century, he was obviously motivated by ideological concepts which simply didnt allowed him to accept racial typological concepts in general, so he tried everything he could to discredit such concepts from his radical ultra-egalitarian perspective on things.

He was indeed. The science and progression of the research is still stalled as (primarily) the result of this man.

The classic Cromagnoids were all dolicho- to mesocephalic, but there was a stronger tendency in later forms towards brachycephalisation which resulted finally together with other changes and trends in Alpinisation and Baltisation in certain areas and populations.

Agreed.

OdinThor
Sunday, November 19th, 2006, 03:22 PM
What about Brock Lesnar? Looks like Guenthers Faelish (http://gallery.volkermord.com/displayimage.php?album=131&pos=32).

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/lesnarmug1.jpg
http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news13/1brock0728.l.jpg

SuuT
Sunday, November 19th, 2006, 03:28 PM
I have made the experience that that some non-European Cromagnids are more similar to the Brunn with their specific traits, than to other European Cromagnids. Not if we ignore possible direct links to up to 10000 years ago, can we assume that Brunns were the original Cromagnids, to have an answer to why non-European Cromagnids have traits that fit closely to that of Brunns ?

One such trait are the thicker lips of the Brunns compared to other Cromagnoids (that’s at least what I could read on anthropological websites). Is it known if thicker lips were a typical trait of original Cromagnids ?

(This is only theory by ignoring possible direct Indo European relations of the past 10000 years as reason for the similarity)

(Refering to only part of your statements) I, for one, actually try to ignore soft tissues and pigmentation, much the same way a contemporary forensic anthropologist would. It's just that I have yet to hear a convincing, rock-solid, argument that pigmentation and soft tissue structure is indicative of phenotypic race. Coon even recognised this (to an extent) with his North African Nordic. We simply have to take soft tissues and pigmentation as tertiary concerns to be taken seriously (which means that Nordics might actually be sub-meds; but that, to be sure, is another thread...). But, and of course, someone might one day convince me.

SuuT
Sunday, November 19th, 2006, 09:46 PM
Ornello Semino of the University of Pavia, Italy and Peter Underhill of Stanford University, California, announced the results of their y-DNA study of 1007 men from 25 different regions in Europe and the Middle East. According to them, there were three waves of migrations to Europe: 40,000, 22,000, and 9,000 years ago. 95% of European men can trace themselves to 1 of 10 male ancestors. More than 80 percent of European men inherited y-DNA from Paleolithic ancestors who lived in Europe 25,000 to 40,000 years ago. The other twenty percent inherited from Neolithic farmers in Europe 9,000 to 10,000 years ago.


Some of you (Ohhhhhhhhh let's say 80%) might want to re-evaluate your subrace;).

Agrippa
Monday, November 20th, 2006, 09:56 PM
I have made the experience that that some non-European Cromagnids are more similar to the Brunn with their specific traits, than to other European Cromagnids. Not if we ignore possible direct links to up to 10000 years ago, can we assume that Brunns were the original Cromagnids, to have an answer to why non-European Cromagnids have traits that fit closely to that of Brunns ?

If you mean with "Bruenn" primarily certain more archaic looking North Western Cromagnids/Dalofaelids, well, they represent an older Cromagnid stratum best before further local developments led to new forms, therefore your observation makes sense. Dalofaelids/Bruenns in general are not all archaic, but again they represent the original Cromagnid form best - only about the depigmentation one could discuss.


What about Brock Lesnar?

Pred. Dalofaelid for sure, probably very minor Borreby influence and on steroids though. Such extremes are of course not really representative, but I would count him as Dalofaelid.


We simply have to take soft tissues and pigmentation as tertiary concerns to be taken seriously (which means that Nordics might actually be sub-meds; but that, to be sure, is another thread...). But, and of course, someone might one day convince me.

Everything which can be very important to distinguish groups of people and being of adaptive value is important for racial classifications. Therefore pigmentation and soft tissue must be considered - the skeletal traits being correlated with those anyway (!). In general, for basic relations and specialisastions, anatomy being more important than pigmentation of coure, but the soft tissue can't be and shouldnt be ignored - the importance of the skeletal material comes from the fact that you can conclude from it too a large degree which soft tissue, morphological and adaptive traits being present, one can't take this things appart, because they make, if looking at the basic evolutionary tendency, specialisation and adaptation, only sense together. F.e. just imagine a short legged Tungid Mongolid with very thin legs and a body with extremely weak subcutaneous fat and muscles - wouldnt make that much sense actually if its about adaptation to the extreme cold.


Some of you might want to re-evaluate your subrace

Well, I know its just a joke, but after all, "Upper Palaeolithic" are in one way or another all people - but Cromagnoid not. Actually some Neolithic people might have been Southern Cromagnoids and many descendents of "Upper Palaeolithic Europeans" being leptodolichomorphic Nordoid-Mediterranoid people...

Sigurd
Tuesday, November 21st, 2006, 12:58 AM
Another two, whom I have always considered Cromagnid at large; both with a slight Atlantid influence in the upper half of their face though; both somewhat similar in facial morphology in fact to each other. ;)

Rudolf Heß
http://www.bibl.u-szeged.hu/bibl/mil/ww2/who/pics/hess.jpg
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/covers/hess.jpg

David Coulthard
http://www.derapate.it/img/_David-coulthard-200-gp.jpg
http://img.aktualne.centrum.cz/9/53/95339-david-coulthard.jpg

Einheerjar
Saturday, December 16th, 2006, 10:50 PM
This is Till Lindemann, the singer of the german band RAMMSTEIN. I think he is a good exemplar of cro-magnid / Dalo-faelid. Take a look

Jwam
Sunday, December 17th, 2006, 01:06 AM
Nop, he is in my opinion atlantid + CM

Maxxtro
Saturday, December 23rd, 2006, 02:05 AM
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/244/5905679lc7.jpg

joseanton
Saturday, December 23rd, 2006, 05:39 AM
Esther Cañadas

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/supermodel/imgs/5/5/559789a2.jpg
http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/corazon/20060711/10/2136808969.jpghttp://canales.laverdad.es/panorama/fotos/gente040404.jpg

joseanton
Saturday, December 23rd, 2006, 05:59 AM
Ed O´Neill

http://home.in.tum.de/paula/mwc/bundyland/pics/scan/ed_o_neill.jpghttp://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/premiere_photo/20050906/01/2343402449.jpg

visigodo
Monday, January 29th, 2007, 07:27 PM
From Willian Z. Ripley. Ph D. "THE RACES OF EUROPE. A SOCIOLOGICAL STUDY".

Three examples classified as Teutonics according to his system:

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4562/cromagnontypes01yb0.th.jpg (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cromagnontypes01yb0.jpg) http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5168/cromagnontypes02gq1.th.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cromagnontypes02gq1.jpg) http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/8042/cromagnontypes03cw6.th.jpg (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cromagnontypes03cw6.jpg)

The last one was categorized as Faelid or predominantly Faelid according to Günther:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1465/cromagnontypes03bbb5.th.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cromagnontypes03bbb5.jpg)

Airmanareiks
Monday, January 29th, 2007, 11:02 PM
Not exemplars, but reconstructions. From reconstructions, you build the archetype.


Looks like Mel Gibson.

oneeyeisbetter
Tuesday, January 30th, 2007, 12:00 AM
David Coulthard looks like one of those cromagnon skulls, great post

Jäger
Saturday, February 3rd, 2007, 11:31 AM
Esther Schweins

http://www.rp-online.de/layout/fotos/180x143/153119_DEU_ADMIRALSPALAST_EROEFFNUNG_VBE R10444d81e9500b4.jpg http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/img/85/0,1886,2739157,00.jpg

SuuT
Monday, February 26th, 2007, 09:07 PM
David Morse: NordAlpinid/Brunn Intermediate




http://www.jmstyles.com/David%20Morse.jpg
http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/tizbit/imgs/3/b/3be0a469.JPGhttp://img.stopklatka.pl/filmowcy/02100/02113/0.jpghttp://www.boxoffice.com/jpg/sept00/morse1.jpghttp://www.nndb.com/people/454/000064262/davidmorse.jpghttp://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/4386/DavidMorse_Kambo_7683977_400.jpghttp://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/premiere_photo/20050906/05/3543120234.jpghttp://www.zelluloid.de/images/szenen/3a36126c44a0f.jpghttp://www.christiananswers.net/spotlight/movies/2002/diaryofacitypriest1.jpg
http://www.kino.de/pix/MBBILDER/MITWIRK/Z0243474.JPGhttp://www.kino.de/pix/newspics/202883_3.jpghttp://www.arcigaymilano.org/cinema/immagini/2211-4-slaughterrule.jpg

SuuT
Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 05:41 PM
Michael Landon: PaleoAtlantid



http://www.littlehouseonprairie.com/images/michael-landon-little-house-on-prairie.jpghttp://www.littlehouseonprairie.com/images/michael-landon-in-hat.jpghttp://www.historyforsale.com/productimages/thumbnails/269547.jpghttp://www.tv-nostalgie.de/Michael%20Landon8.jpghttp://www.stopcancer.com/images/fs.landon.m.jpghttp://stopcancer.com/images/michae1.jpghttp://www.williamsmith.org/fanficjoe.JPGhttp://www.quintadimension.com/televicio/imagen/bonanza00.jpghttp://thescotts.topcities.com/ml.jpg
http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/Movies/Actors2/Landon_M_P366701078_150x200.jpghttp://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/8/8c/250px-Michael_Landon_(1990).jpghttp://www.galeon.com/guarderiadefamosos/landon.jpghttp://www.galeon.com/guarderiadefamosos/landon1.jpghttp://videodetective.com/photos/819/034411_31.jpghttp://www.quintadimension.com/televicio/imagen/bonanza03.jpg

SuuT
Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 05:48 PM
Airmanareiks: Borreby><DaloFaeild predominance (+ Nordid influence/Nordisation)



http://forums.skadi.net/image.php?u=19303&dateline=1172536881 (http://forums.skadi.net/member.php?u=19303)

joseanton
Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 07:32 PM
Lou Ferrigno

http://www.nndb.com/people/262/000025187/LFerrigno-sm.jpghttp://www.hulklibrary.com/hulk/images/photos/con-lou-ferrigno.jpg
http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/bodybuilder/louferrigno3.jpg
http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/hercules/louferrigno/louferrigno37.jpg

joseanton
Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 07:38 PM
This other Hulk is a good exmaple too

http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~markro/images/hulk2.jpg
http://www.vh1.com/shared/media/images/movies/people/h/hogan_hulk/150x223.jpg
http://www.nwo.it/foto_Hulk_Hogan.jpg

joseanton
Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 07:40 PM
Gerard Depardieu

http://www.kinoweb.de/film2001/Vatel/pix/v37_25.jpg
http://www.o-filmu.net/images/gerard_depardieu.jpg

Glynd Eastŵd
Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 08:00 PM
Mark Wahlberg (presumably of German descent):

http://edition.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Movies/9909/30/three.kings/mark.wahlberg.jpg

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1159016/photo_08.jpg

http://w1.1396.telia.com/%7Eu139602049/markymk4g1.jpg

(had to post this one... he's so dreamy :tired2:)

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/D20060105/47_385032295_mark_wahlberg_04_H103302_L. jpg

Allenson
Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 08:07 PM
Old Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw:

http://www.nahbmonday.com/mmbl/image_upload/terry_bradshaw.jpg



http://www.latechsports.com/images/hof/Terry%20Bradshaw.jpg



http://www.scottsdalecards.com/catalog/images/71tbradshaw906.jpg



He's a pretty funny guy too. :thumbup

Klegutati
Wednesday, March 7th, 2007, 10:38 PM
It is really hard to find a pure Cro-magnid, and I don't think there is such thing now.. The best bets of Cro-magnid are in Ireland and Scotland..:thumbup This is where the R1b concentration reaches from 70%-100%..

Iron Struggle
Wednesday, July 30th, 2008, 10:30 AM
I'd like to compile a gallery of cro magnons for future reference. If you have anyone who you think is Cro Magnon please post and explain why.

I think Dutch American model Rebecca Romijn is very Cro Magnon. Immediately when I saw her talking a Cro Magnon photo immediately popped in my mind. I think she is a pretty good match.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/e/ef/150px-Cro-Magnon.jpg

Rebecca Romijn on talk show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5KJnkP3itw (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http&#37;3A%2F%2Fwww.yout ube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Ds5KJnkP3itw)

SouthernBoy
Wednesday, July 30th, 2008, 06:14 PM
Greg Olsen:

http://chicagoist.com/attachments/chicago_benjy/2007_04_sports_nfldraft_olsen.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/079VbbjarheDw/610x.jpg

Psychonaut
Thursday, July 31st, 2008, 12:01 AM
Fabien Pelous:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0cpS7Ad2YC6K2/610x.jpg

Sebastien Chabal:

http://img.skysports.com/07/10/218x298/Sebastien_Chabal_581696.jpg

Monica Larsson:

http://www.ballade.no/nmi.nsf/pic/monica-larsson/$file/monica-larsson.jpg

SuuT
Monday, September 15th, 2008, 03:41 PM
Forest Griffin (Brunn)



http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1155/863499398_9ddae8c0ab.jpg
http://www.myfitness4ever.com/Foresst_And_I_op_800x600.jpg
http://a185.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/110/l_a5bb0311586a31104e04ee28e856e010.jpg
http://www.scenicreflections.com/thumbs/forrest_griffin_ufc_wallpaper.jpg
http://www.completemartialarts.com/whoswho/ufc/images/ForrestGriffin.jpghttp://blog.gamblerspalace.com/gp/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/ufc.jpg



Tommy Lee Jones (Brunn)



http://www.ihavenet.com/images/tommy-lee-jones-academy-award-oscar-nominee-best-actor-2008.jpg
http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/img/?x=article.asp2025.jpg
http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/homefamily/slideshow/celebrity-geniuses/img_3.jpg
http://www.sharky1.com/Images/stars2/tommy%20lee%20jones.jpg

Grimm
Tuesday, September 16th, 2008, 06:21 PM
I only noticed about a year ago how different my eyebrow/eye setting is from other people.

I have eyebrows that hover between my forehead and a deep hole where my eyes are - very much like Ed Harris and Randy Coutour. Is that a characteristic of Cromagnid desecendency? Please advise. Sorry to not have a pic, but my structure seems identical to Ed Harris.

Agrippa
Wednesday, September 17th, 2008, 09:00 PM
I only noticed about a year ago how different my eyebrow/eye setting is from other people.

I have eyebrows that hover between my forehead and a deep hole where my eyes are - very much like Ed Harris and Randy Coutour. Is that a characteristic of Cromagnid desecendency? Please advise. Sorry to not have a pic, but my structure seems identical to Ed Harris.

To put it that way, its more common in Cromagnids, which have very low and rectangular orbits, lower set eyebrows and deep set eyes as a rule, also the eyes are usually smaller eyes with a very high frequency of "heavy lids" (Schlupflid in German). This can occur in other racial types too, but for Cromagnid variants, especially male ones, its almost a rule.

Sometimes females are not particularly happy about "Schlupflider", which is why they consult beauty doctors sometimes, here an example before (with) and after (without) the operation:
http://www.aestomed.at/media/images/headlines/02_vn.jpg
Profile before (with):
http://www.vistaklinik.ch/uploads/pics/kosm_Schlupflid_2.jpg
Profile after (without):
http://www.vistaklinik.ch/uploads/pics/kosm_Schlupflid_2_nach.jpg

If you know the correct English term for that eye trait, please let me know.

Its a typically Europid trait which shouldnt be confused with the inner eyefold, the Mongoloid epicanthus. Schlupflider are more common in Western and Northern (Nordid, Cromagnid, Mediterranid), than in Eastern Europe - also compare the different angle of the eyes, western hanging to Eastern upgoing, oblique eye shapes.

Also compare the proportions of morphological characteristics of Aurignacoid (Nordid, Mediterranid, Orientalid, Indid) with that of Cromagnid (Dalofaelid, Berberid):
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/3182/aurcro4be.jpg

Ed Harris is pred. Cromagnid and has a rather extreme eye form of that race form, namely a very low distance between the brows and eyes:
http://www.autographdealer.com/images/Ed-Harris.jpg

Grimm
Thursday, September 18th, 2008, 09:59 PM
Thanks for the info. It's really weird that you started out with the "Schlupflider" explanantion. I have no hint of this and it wasn't part of my question, but my paternal grandmother (born in Esslingen, Deutschland 1900) had a textbook example of it. My father has a more moderate version of it. Few people notice anything rare about his eyes in person, but in several photos you can see how his Schlipflider is alive and well.

I had always wondered if it pointed to some ancient Hun strain but dismissed that explanation a while ago when I realized that the Mongol eye is characterized by the different inner eyefold (just as you mentioned). I'm just really glad that I found out my grandmother's condition is not so rare as I thought and that there is a full explanation for it.

And as far as the pred Cromagnid's very short distance between the eyebrows and eyelids, that's me. The distance is about non-existent, but I have no Schlupflider so my eyelids are quite typical, not heavy nor hidden (except that my eyes are so deep set that you have to be quite close to see my eyelids).

Thanks a lot for the info. Someday I'll get around to actually getting photos uploaded and see what else you all can figure out about me. I really appreciate your help.

SuuT
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2008, 12:55 AM
William H. Macy: Brunn



http://upload.moldova.org/movie/actors/w/william_macy/thumbnails/tn2_william_h_%20macy_4.jpg
http://www.vh1.com/sitewide/flipbooks/img/movies/people/m/macy_william_h/2033285_10.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2211/2061417046_f64e7d6b3f_o.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/f/f3/William_macy.jpg
http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w07/img.124691_t.jpg
http://content8.flixster.com/photo/30/76/11/3076114_tml.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0g2s01S292c0h/340x.jpg

Marcus
Saturday, October 4th, 2008, 09:13 PM
Mick Jagger is an unreduced Phalian

http://theaarongershfield.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/mick-jagger.jpg
http://celebrity-pics.movieeye.com/celebrity_pictures/Mick_Jagger_618130.jpg
http://images.askmen.com/galleries/men/mick-jagger/pictures/mick-jagger-picture-1.jpg