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SudVolk
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 07:34 PM
Given the high level of concern amongst some Nords that their recessive gene-pool is being diluted though miscegenation with the "darker peoples" of Europe and beyond, I would like to propose the following solution:


The Nordic Right of Return

All people of Nordic phenotype should be allowed the right to return and settle in Scandanavia. A panel of experts shall be assembled who will judge any claim to being Nordic. If the panel agrees that a person is "Nordic enough"* then they shall be given the right to settle in a Scandanavian country** of their choice. Those whose claims are rejected by the panel will have to settle elsewhere; this includes those who have been living in Scandanavia and masquerading as Nordics.

For those Nords who find themselves unlucky enough to be living outside Scandanavia and for whom the linguistic and cultural upheaval will be too onerous, it is expected that each country with > 0.5% Nordic component shall provide a "Nordic Enclave" where such people can live together, free from the temptation to miscegenate with non-Nordics; such enclaves will preferably be sited in the North of such countries, close to snow if possible.

Travel between Scandanavia and Nordic enclaves will be tightly restricted (in both directions). If any Nordic couples produce a child that fails the test for being Nordic, then it will be placed up for adoption by a compatible non-Nordic couple.

*Albinos will not be given automatic right of return.
**Currently: Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Faroe Isles, Greenland, Iceland

Loki
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Could you make it clear where these Nordic expatriates would hail from?

SudVolk
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 07:45 PM
Could you make it clear where these Nordic expatriates would hail from?Anywhere Nordic genes have expressed themselves.

Loki
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 07:55 PM
Anywhere Nordic genes have expressed themselves.

Ok. It is a fair proposal, I think. Yet, if such Nordic expatriates have acquired some admixture (which they possibly have) in their countries of living, then they would probably be best suited for settlement in intermediately Nordic countries, such as England and Germany - only the purest should go to Scandinavia.

SudVolk
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 08:02 PM
Ok. It is a fair proposal, I think. Yet, if such Nordic expatriates have acquired some admixture (which they possibly have) in their countries of living, then they would probably be best suited for settlement in intermediately Nordic countries, such as England and Germany - only the purest should go to Scandinavia.Excellent, agreement between a Nord and a Nord-Med mongrel has been reached. How many of us will it take to table this proposal at the United Nations? I will happily donate my time (and possibly some money) to see it through to its logical conclusion.

Sword Brethren
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 08:13 PM
Given the high level of concern amongst some Nords that their recessive gene-pool is being diluted though miscegenation with the "darker peoples" of Europe and beyond, I would like to propose the following solution:

The Nordic Right of Return
All people of Nordic phenotype should be allowed the right to return and settle in Scandanavia. A panel of experts shall be assembled who will judge any claim to being Nordic. If the panel agrees that a person is "Nordic enough"* then they shall be given the right to settle in a Scandanavian country** of their choice. Those whose claims are rejected by the panel will have to settle elsewhere; this includes those who have been living in Scandanavia and masquerading as Nordics. For those Nords who find themselves unlucky enough to be living outside Scandanavia and for whom the linguistic and cultural upheaval will be too onerous, it is expected that each country with > 0.5% Nordic component shall provide a "Nordic Enclave" where such people can live together, free from the temptation to miscegenate with non-Nordics; such enclaves will preferably be sited in the North of such countries, close to snow if possible. Travel between Scandanavia and Nordic enclaves will be tightly restricted (in both directions). If any Nordic couples produce a child that fails the test for being Nordic, then it will be placed up for adoption by a compatible non-Nordic couple.


*Albinos will not be given automatic right of return.
**Currently: Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Faroe Isles, Greenland, Iceland
I think you are well intentioned... However, do you really expect people to give up their children just because the phenotype is not right?

Sword Brethren
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 08:14 PM
Ok. It is a fair proposal, I think. Yet, if such Nordic expatriates have acquired some admixture (which they possibly have) in their countries of living, then they would probably be best suited for settlement in intermediately Nordic countries, such as England and Germany - only the purest should go to Scandinavia.
You can have Scandinavia, I have no desire to live there. You nordics are welcome to it... Too darn cold there...

Siegfried
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 08:19 PM
You can have Scandinavia, I have no desire to live there. You nordics are welcome to it... Too darn cold there...

I actually like the cold... Must be the Nordish genes :D

SudVolk
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 08:21 PM
I actually like the cold... Must be the Nordish genes :DHave your ancestors been miscegenating with Eskimos ?

Siegfried
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 08:25 PM
Have your ancestors been miscegenating with Eskimos ?

:jaw

I sure hope not... :uhoh :D

Tommy Vercetti
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 08:35 PM
You're not allowed to make fun issue this serious

Loki
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 08:35 PM
I actually like the cold... Must be the Nordish genes :D

I love the cold, too! Especially the snow. I like the London winter more than I like the summer....

SudVolk
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 08:39 PM
I love the cold, too! Especially the snow. I like the London winter more than I like the summer....Well that's a shame because it hardly ever snows in London in the winter

Siegfried
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 08:42 PM
You're not allowed to make fun issue this serious

I apologize. :|


I love the cold, too! Especially the snow.

Indeed. Snow and freezing cold are quite enjoyable.


I like the London winter more than I like the summer....

Well, I like it that we actually have seasons here in Europe, but I wouldn't mind if winter was a bit longer... ;)

But, back on topic :D

Loki
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 08:43 PM
Well that's a shame because it hardly ever snows in London in the winter

Indeed... two days if we're lucky.

sud
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 09:59 PM
I’m getting depressed by the warm spring temperature. No more snowboarding...:(

Allenson
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 10:09 PM
I love the cold, too! Especially the snow.


Then you should move to where I am. I think that you're assimilable, Loki, LOL!! :P Only fooling around here.... ;)

Siegfried
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 10:21 PM
I’m getting depressed by the warm spring temperature. No more snowboarding...:(

Ah, yes; snowboarding - one of the better sports invented by mankind. Right up there with golf, sport hunting and martial arts.

Tommy Vercetti
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 10:28 PM
I?m getting depressed by the warm spring temperature. No more snowboarding...:(

Not to mention rides with 150 horsepower snowmobile...

Loki
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 10:42 PM
Then you should move to where I am. I think that you're assimilable, Loki, LOL!! :P Only fooling around here.... ;)

Damn! I thought you were serious! :D

Gesta Bellica
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 10:52 PM
Damn! I thought you were serious! :D

Nice to see that u appreaciate some of my friends ;)

Loki
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 11:05 PM
Nice to see that u appreaciate some of my friends ;)

Dalonord is my friend, too. ;) :D

Gesta Bellica
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 11:07 PM
Dalonord is my friend, too. ;) :D

and the ladies in your signature? ;)

Loki
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 11:11 PM
and the ladies in your signature? ;)

Oh, them! Yeah, I love them! :D

Do you know them personally?

Gesta Bellica
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 11:17 PM
Oh, them! Yeah, I love them! :D

Do you know them personally?

I used to chat with the girl on the right, not so much anymore as she's busy, i hear about her from time to time...cool girl but i don't know if she cares about racial preservation or not.
I know she's really into the Lutheran church.

berschneider
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 11:20 PM
Given the high level of concern amongst some Nords that their recessive gene-pool is being diluted though miscegenation with the "darker peoples" of Europe and beyond, I would like to propose the following solution:

The Nordic Right of Return
All people of Nordic phenotype should be allowed the right to return and settle in Scandanavia. A panel of experts shall be assembled who will judge any claim to being Nordic. If the panel agrees that a person is "Nordic enough"* then they shall be given the right to settle in a Scandanavian country** of their choice. Those whose claims are rejected by the panel will have to settle elsewhere; this includes those who have been living in Scandanavia and masquerading as Nordics. For those Nords who find themselves unlucky enough to be living outside Scandanavia and for whom the linguistic and cultural upheaval will be too onerous, it is expected that each country with > 0.5% Nordic component shall provide a "Nordic Enclave" where such people can live together, free from the temptation to miscegenate with non-Nordics; such enclaves will preferably be sited in the North of such countries, close to snow if possible. Travel between Scandanavia and Nordic enclaves will be tightly restricted (in both directions). If any Nordic couples produce a child that fails the test for being Nordic, then it will be placed up for adoption by a compatible non-Nordic couple.


*Albinos will not be given automatic right of return.
**Currently: Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Faroe Isles, Greenland, Iceland
I like it because it's so realistic

Gesta Bellica
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 11:29 PM
Another fine example of endangered species are those 2 Finlandswede girls..
Too bad that the pic is in B/W.

Loki
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 11:36 PM
I used to chat with the girl on the right, not so much anymore as she's busy, i hear about her from time to time...cool girl but i don't know if she cares about racial preservation or not.
I know she's really into the Lutheran church.

Care to share her contact details with me, or introduce me? ;)

Vestmannr
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 11:46 PM
Maybe phenotype is not enough: Y chromosome lineage, maternal mtDNA lineage, and the genetic origin of the rest of the genes should be considered. I would suggest that European genetic origin be enough to return to Europe, and that where in Europe depend mostly upon Y chromosome lineage: with R1b in the West, R1a in the East, I in the middle from Scandinavia to the Balkans, N in Finland/Estonia/Hungary, and G, E, and J of 'Neolithic Agriculturalist' origin in Greece. Without artificial factors pushing people towards deracination, they tend to marry people similar to themselves (or similar to their parents.) My hunch is also that the European phenotypes are generally tied to Y-STR haplogroups.

Sound a little more scientific? :D :D :D

nordic_canadian_male
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 11:57 PM
Isolation is no way to preserve a master race, it must re-emerge in the entire population. How you ask, well simple every couple must have a nordic child, this will be possible due the sperm banks housing not only nordic sperm, but the best of the nordic race. High IQ, good looks, fiery disposition, can be some wanted qualities. Also faelids, tronders, keltic nordics with a large amount of classical nordic blood should not be turned down as donors, and will also be viewed as nordics, nordic will be defined according to gunther.

We must also limit the amount of children other non-nordic european people have, that may be most important. Non-european will simply experience the largest genocide ever, no gassing or camps just murdered where they stand. No slaves or any baggage just pure slaughter.

The act of child bearing will be seen not as a natural beautiful extension of a couples love for one another, but as duty to the state. The actual plan will be more complex and detailed, but the first paragraph holds it's basic principals.

This isn't realistic in today's society, only if a revolution were to occur could these plans even be discussed in any meaningful way. To preserve the nordic race we must first preserve our minds.

PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO MY POST IF YOU BELIEVE NORDIC PRESERVATION CAN BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT GENOCIDE OF OTHER RACES, I SIMPLY WON'T RESPOND AND YOU'D GET A SMACK IF I WERE NEXT TO YOU. LOL SERIOUSLY PLEASE NO DUMB RESPONDS!

berschneider
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:17 AM
We must also limit the amount of children other non-nordic european people have, that may be most important. Non-european will simply experience the largest genocide ever, no gassing or camps just murdered where they stand. No slaves or any baggage just pure slaughter.
Fantastic, I love it - yet another very realistic proposal. I've never encountered such a gathering of sober realist before. This stuff is great!

Loki
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:18 AM
Fantastic, I love it - yet another very realistic proposal. I've never encountered such a gathering of sober realist before. This stuff is great!

What is your purpose on this forum, berschneider, other than making snide remarks about other people's posts?

berschneider
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:19 AM
Another fine example of endangered species are those 2 Finlandswede girls..
Too bad that the pic is in B/W.
Right, it could be only in white. White is always better.

berschneider
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:22 AM
What is your purpose on this forum, berschneider, other than making snide remarks about other people's posts?
I think you posted a link to some bullsh*t idiocy on Donona, didn't you? My purpose is generally having fun. It's not preservation of Nordic Race which I don't believe needs your assistance in being preserved.

Loki
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:22 AM
Right, it could be only in white. White is always better.

It is.

nordic_canadian_male
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:24 AM
Fantastic, I love it - yet another very realistic proposal. I've never encountered such a gathering of sober realist before. This stuff is great!


Read my next paragraph, I never said it was realistic, it's just simply what must be done, maybe if you were sober you'd have read the entire post.

Loki
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:25 AM
I think you posted a link to some bullsh*t idiocy on Donona, didn't you? My purpose is generally having fun. It's not preservation of Nordic Race which I don't believe needs your assistance in being preserved.

"Having fun", according to you, consists of slurring every post a serious racialist makes on this board? If it is so, then I would advise you to discontinue such an approach. Consider yourself warned.

berschneider
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:32 AM
"Having fun", according to you, consists of slurring every post a serious racialist makes on this board? If it is so, then I would advise you to discontinue such an approach. Consider yourself warned.

I can't believe you wrote "serious" in reference to *this*.

Don't go to other boards and invite people to discuss obvious, deliberately NOT serious garbage.

Loki
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:36 AM
I can't believe you wrote "serious" in reference to *this*.

Don't go to other boards and invite people to discuss obvious, deliberately NOT serious garbage.

You better believe it. This "garbage" is actually serious stuff.

Johnny Reb
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:42 AM
Nordic enclaves? Mass genocide? I hate to say it, but I actually agree with berschneider. This is silly. Not the idea of Nordic preservation, but the thought processes and pipe dreams some of you have. It boggles the mind.

berschneider
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:43 AM
You better believe it. This "garbage" is actually serious stuff.
There is nothing serious about this garbage. It's ridiculous and pathetic but that's about it.

In any case, I had enough.

Have fun. Enjoy your fantasies.

Loki
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:45 AM
Nordic enclaves? Mass genocide? I hate to say it, but I actually agree with berschneider. This is silly. Not the idea of Nordic preservation, but the thought processes and pipe dreams some of you have. It boggles the mind.

Who advocated genocide here?

Johnny Reb
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:51 AM
This wacko. You might want to edit his post before someone shuts the site down. :|





We must also limit the amount of children other non-nordic european people have, that may be most important. Non-european will simply experience the largest genocide ever, no gassing or camps just murdered where they stand. No slaves or any baggage just pure slaughter.

nordic_canadian_male
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:51 AM
Nordic enclaves? Mass genocide? I hate to say it, but I actually agree with berschneider. This is silly. Not the idea of Nordic preservation, but the thought processes and pipe dreams some of you have. It boggles the mind.

What ideas do you have? How would you do it, i'm waiting for you're realistic viewpoint, maybe the pipe dream isn't my idea of mass genocide but the fantasy of not needing, or wanting one, if you do believe in nordic preservation, do you?

nordic_canadian_male
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:56 AM
This wacko. You might want to edit his post before someone shuts the site down. :|

Freedom of speech, remember that.

Loki
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:57 AM
This wacko. You might want to edit his post before someone shuts the site down. :|




We must also limit the amount of children other non-nordic european people have, that may be most important. Non-european will simply experience the largest genocide ever, no gassing or camps just murdered where they stand. No slaves or any baggage just pure slaughter.

nordic_canadian_male - please don't advocate genocide or killing of people on this forum. Skadi cannot condone such drastic measures, even if the aim is noble.

Thanks. :)

Vestmannr
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:58 AM
Umm... nordic_canadian_male did. Ergo ". Non-european will simply experience the largest genocide ever, no gassing or camps just murdered where they stand. No slaves or any baggage just pure slaughter."

As for pipe-dreams... moratoriums on immigration, expelling non-citizens... these arent pipe-dreams. They are easily done, and are held to by respected mainstream politicians in many countries. Offering incentives for re-patriation for minorities is not a pipe-dream either: it has worked before ... think Liberia (Israel is a bad example.) 'Enclaves' I think is a pipe-dream. A people cant survive on a reservation (read 'zoo'). Association of similar peoples into self-governing states is the right of nations: not a pipe dream either: witness the worldwide movement towards self-rule of related peoples (after all, a nation is just a large family). So much of this language is political: ie, artificial. Politics is *all* about pipe dreams, and making them reality (successful or unsuccessful). It is just as much a pipe-dream for those who dream of a worldwide uniform brown race (impossible, really ... mankind will always continue to evolve and develop diverse features.)

I think what does need pointed out is that the morality of genocide and murder is not something usually associated with European civilization (notice I did not say 'Europe'). Seriously, the "angry, young men" who advocate such slaughter would fit better in Rwanda, the IDF, with the Wahabbists ... addicts of destruction, self-destructive ultimately.

Johnny Reb
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 12:59 AM
What ideas do you have? How would you do it, i'm waiting for you're realistic viewpoint, maybe the pipe dream isn't my idea of mass genocide but the fantasy of not needing, or wanting one, if you do believe in nordic preservation, do you?

I thought you weren't going to dignify dissenting views with a response. Dragging Europe into a massive Whites vs. Nonwhites civil war would be totally counterproductive. Do you think they'd just let themselves be killed? You'd have a far better chance getting popular support with something less radical.

Johnny Reb
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 01:08 AM
As for pipe-dreams... moratoriums on immigration, expelling non-citizens... these arent pipe-dreams. They are easily done, and are held to by respected mainstream politicians in many countries. Offering incentives for re-patriation for minorities is not a pipe-dream either: it has worked before ... think Liberia (Israel is a bad example.)

These ideas could work, and I would support their implimentation.

I agree with you that the enclaves are a pipe dream. I would go a little further, though, and suggest that to some extent, basing a nation on phenotype wouldn't be the easiest thing to do. Do you think a Nordic German or Briton would just pack up and move to Scandinavia? What about Lapps and E. Baltics in Sweden? What about pure Upper Paleolithic types indigenous to Scandanavia?

It is easy for a politician to say "These arabs or Africans aren't ethnically Swedes", but it's still extremely taboo for them to say "they aren't racially Swedes".

nordic_canadian_male
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 01:08 AM
I think what does need pointed out is that the morality of genocide and murder is not something usually associated with European civilization (notice I did not say 'Europe'). Seriously, the "angry, young men" who advocate such slaughter would fit better in Rwanda, the IDF, with the Wahabbists ... addicts of destruction, self-destructive ultimately.

Maybe not christian civilization, but even then we threw diseased blankets in native villages. I speak not as a christian but more closely as a pagan german warrior who'd gladly cut down anyone whom was in his homeland unwanted.

Sometimes I feel people here are more liberal than they think. This movement can not take root through intellectual efforts purely, it's a movement of passion, and romanticism. After all I just want germany again, except done right this time.

nordic_canadian_male
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 01:11 AM
I thought you weren't going to dignify dissenting views with a response. Dragging Europe into a massive Whites vs. Nonwhites civil war would be totally counterproductive. Do you think they'd just let themselves be killed? You'd have a far better chance getting popular support with something less radical.


Anything less radical wouldn't work, we have a deadline, 2050 that's when we won't have enough young people to make this work. Sometimes something that seems ruthless is only clarity at work.

Vestmannr
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 01:25 AM
Yes, and it was Christian civilization that built Germany. Europe is primarily Christian, and it was Christianity that preserved it. The downfall of Europe began with the Enlightenment ... which was basically a Judaizing of European culture ( the Rationalist/Enlightenment pragmatism coming from Talmudic Rabbinic theology, versus the Spiritual/Moral emphasis of Christian Eucharistic theology). Roman Palestine was the origin of the Christian faith, but it was Europe that preserved it and brought it to its highest expression ... whether in Greece, Russia, Serbia, Italy, France, Germany, Spain, Britain, Scandinavia or Ireland. For a comparison.. look what happened to Christianity in Persia (Nestorianism), or further East in China and Japan.

I'm always a little unsure of those who consider themselves European preservationists, etc. and claim to be pagan/anti-Christian. Considering that 'neo-pagan' is a largely Enlightenment based, multi-cultural affair with much more akin to Far Eastern religion (Hinduism, Shinto, Buddhism, etc.) than what pre-Christian Europeans were like. By far, pre-Christian European religions melded without grief into Christianity (I think of the Hellenic, Roman, Druidic, and Irminist religions.)

As for the blankets with smallpox... that was not a practice of the majority of us American colonists, nor an official tactic. Such incidents were not widespread, and were the work of a few fringe criminals. By far, the European colonists were far more charitable to the aboriginal Americans. We brought them civilization, and the highest expressions of Native culture are those who learned from Europe and the American colonies without ingratitude (think of the Iroquois, Cherokee, Muskogee Creek, etc.)

" Sometimes I feel people here are more liberal than they think. This movement can not take root through intellectual efforts purely, it's a movement of passion, and romanticism. After all I just want germany again, except done right this time."

They you want a Germany that has never existed. Not the real Germany, but a Germany of the imagination. Your definition of 'Liberal' is odd as well: Liberalism was born of Romanticism, Liberalism is slavery to the passions. Conservativism is is the path of realism, wisdom, and life. How one disciplines the mind and passions is how one lives out their life. Tradition is something one is handed down: you cant just make up tradition. And I think this is the main difference.

There is not one 'white preservation' movement... there are a few of them, and more than one is 'truly liberal'. Esp. those that want their White/European etc. without their European history, without their Grandparents, without the Church that built Europe. How can one love their race, and hate their parents? How can one claim to love Europe, but hate Charlemagne, St. Constantine the Great, etc.?

nordic_canadian_male
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 01:57 AM
Yes, and it was Christian civilization that built Germany. Europe is primarily Christian, and it was Christianity that preserved it. The downfall of Europe began with the Enlightenment ... which was basically a Judaizing of European culture ( the Rationalist/Enlightenment pragmatism coming from Talmudic Rabbinic theology, versus the Spiritual/Moral emphasis of Christian Eucharistic theology). Roman Palestine was the origin of the Christian faith, but it was Europe that preserved it and brought it to its highest expression ... whether in Greece, Russia, Serbia, Italy, France, Germany, Spain, Britain, Scandinavia or Ireland. For a comparison.. look what happened to Christianity in Persia (Nestorianism), or further East in China and Japan.

Christianity never built europe, It did give it identity, but it was the thinkers who challenged the very pillars of christianity who transformed society(which began in the renaissance, not the age of enlightened meant). Christianity never guided the best policies set by europeans, the immigration policies (head tax on non-whites) set by canada was never a CHRISTIAN thing to do, it was to protect culture and race. Christianity did do one thing it helped the people from becoming too decadent, the fact that they stayed racist and proud was just a social certainty seen in any country before modern politics, and liberalism.



I'm always a little unsure of those who consider themselves European preservationists, etc. and claim to be pagan/anti-Christian. Considering that 'neo-pagan' is a largely Enlightenment based, multi-cultural affair with much more akin to Far Eastern religion (Hinduism, Shinto, Buddhism, etc.) than what pre-Christian Europeans were like. By far, pre-Christian European religions melded without grief into Christianity (I think of the Hellenic, Roman, Druidic, and Irminist religions.)

I'm not pagan, that's merely history and to be studied, but I do believe in science, ancestor worship, and a higher power which we cannot explain at the current momment (what was here before the big bang). I have no time for far eastern religions, I say burn their burn their books and cut the root of their influence.




hey you want a Germany that has never existed. Not the real Germany, but a Germany of the imagination. Your definition of 'Liberal' is odd as well: Liberalism was born of Romanticism, Liberalism is slavery to the passions. Conservativism is is the path of realism, wisdom, and life. How one disciplines the mind and passions is how one lives out their life. Tradition is something one is handed down: you cant just make up tradition. And I think this is the main difference.


Liberalism was born of romanticism in a way sure, but romanticism has many sons. I speak of romanticism as a feeling, like a tremendous passion for whatever you believe in, that's romanticism to me. A romantic nationalist, freedom fighter should be the mental state which we attain. Christianity is wrong, but I don't dismiss all it's points, I just believe in something new.

Awar
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 02:09 AM
I'm a very humane person, and I can't stand seeing animals suffer.
The very thought of thousands of parrots being smuggled daily into the EU makes me cry. Therefore, we can only stop parrots from being smuggled by total nuclear destruction of their natural habitats.

I'm sorry if I sound a bit unstable.

It's crucial for us to kill as many sub-human animals as we can!
We should start by gassing pigeons, shooting horses in the streets.
I'm a warrior, and I say we should raid the villages of the smurfs and rape all the teletubbies! Nuke the dolphins! Shave the bears! Burn the Koalas from their filthy nests!

Vestmannr
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 02:23 AM
Consider using terms the way they have always been used. Romanticism and passion have a very specific meaning, neither have every been considered 'Nordic' virtues.

canadian says: "It did give it identity, but it was the thinkers who challenged the very pillars of christianity who transformed society(which began in the renaissance, not the age of enlightened meant). Christianity never guided the best policies set by europeans, the immigration policies (head tax on non-whites) set by canada was never a CHRISTIAN thing to do, it was to protect culture and race."

Two points here: the Enlightenment comes out of a movement within the Renaissance towards destroying tradition, towards mixing in foreign ideas. Other parts of the Renaissance would about preservation, and about recovering the past (Neo-Classicism, the 'enemy' of Romanticism ... and the positive aspect of Byzantine learning finding refuge in the West and North from the depredations of the Turk.)

As for anti-immigration policies. Since when do you think that was not a Christian thing to do? It was *absolutely* Christian. The problem may be that you do not have experience of real, historical, traditional European Christianity. 'Truth and Justice' movement in post-Christian churches can hardly be called 'Christian'. If Christianity is based upon Christ... remember he called the Samaritan a dog. If it is based upon what Christians do: It was Christians who expelled the Jews in many countries, expelled the Gypsies, drove the Muslims from Europe, isolated and all but wiped out the Asiatic invaders from the steppes, ended the predation of the Barbary Corsairs, etc. Christianity would not be labeled 'anti-Semitic' by the Internationalists just for being itself, if history was otherwise. Rather, all the best policies of Europeans have been ultimately Christian at the core: preservation of a people, their bond with the soil, their people and tongue. It was the Enlightenment that brought in whole-sale immigration, the abolition of borders, a destruction of the determinants of society, of public and private moral standards, and ultimately the creation of a society of the ever-immature, precociously perverted, self-destructive, and disrespectful of others, themselves, and God. Christian Europe never mixed willy-nilly... but rather, it reinforced local identity (even more-so than 'national identity'.) Please mark this: the most homogenous European, anti-immigration part of the American colonies was/is the American South... the most Christian part of the American colonies, even to this day.

You are free to want something new, but I wouldnt get on board for that. I want what my family has had for the past 10,000 years at least.. culminating in what we've had for the past 2,000 years. A desire for the new, for innovation is inherently inimical to preservation, conservation, or adherence to tradition. Part of all the older understandings of our European peoples was not merely that we were 'smarter' and 'stronger' or just 'better looking'... but that we had moral strength, discipline, etiquette. Clean body, mind, and spirit. Throwing that away is no different than race-mixing, in fact, it is buying into the Talmudic philosophy that there is a single Chosen people (real humans), others who are partly human, those who are not even human... and that the non-chosen may mix freely like beasts. Christian philosophy to the contrary has always maintained that the family is normal, as is clan, tribe, nation and race: that we each have our biological uniqueness, language, etc. that is to be preserved rather than a Jewish (or German, or Masai) 'chosen people'. In a sense (and St. Augustine said this) Christianity is what all ancient men held to. It is the true 'Old Religion', resurfaced by the Unknowable made Knowable.

RedEgosyntonicSun
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 06:05 AM
I'm a very humane person, and I can't stand seeing animals suffer.
The very thought of thousands of parrots being smuggled daily into the EU makes me cry. Therefore, we can only stop parrots from being smuggled by total nuclear destruction of their natural habitats.

I'm sorry if I sound a bit unstable.

It's crucial for us to kill as many sub-human animals as we can!
We should start by gassing pigeons, shooting horses in the streets.
I'm a warrior, and I say we should raid the villages of the smurfs and rape all the teletubbies! Nuke the dolphins! Shave the bears! Burn the Koalas from their filthy nests!

Great
So Great !

I'm ready.

*Wagner sounds*

Sword Brethren
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 06:06 AM
Who advocated genocide here?
Depends who it is against :)


Against white brethren... No...

Sword Brethren
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 06:14 AM
We must also limit the amount of children other non-nordic european people have, that may be most important. Non-european will simply experience the largest genocide ever, no gassing or camps just murdered where they stand. No slaves or any baggage just pure slaughter.


PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO MY POST IF YOU BELIEVE NORDIC PRESERVATION CAN BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT GENOCIDE OF OTHER RACES, I SIMPLY WON'T RESPOND AND YOU'D GET A SMACK IF I WERE NEXT TO YOU. LOL SERIOUSLY PLEASE NO DUMB RESPONDS!

Well I won't give you a dumb "responds". I will however give you a "response". I think your plan is great, but perhaps we can edit it a little. How about us non-nordic europeans limit the amount of children you have??? That way we don't have to worry about you flooding into Southern Europe when you decide you have some bogus claim to Southern Europe.

And your mastery of the English language leaves me in no doubt that you could easily move to a Nordic-only Germany, and quickly acquire and master the german language as well.


If you were next to me you'd hit me eh????


Somehow, I am not the least bit scared. (See picture)

Evolved
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 08:17 AM
PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO MY POST IF YOU BELIEVE NORDIC PRESERVATION CAN BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT GENOCIDE OF OTHER RACES, I SIMPLY WON'T RESPOND AND YOU'D GET A SMACK IF I WERE NEXT TO YOU. LOL SERIOUSLY PLEASE NO DUMB RESPONDS!

Someone should limit your offspring to zero..

http://www.safetyforwomen.com/images/v14_w_knife.jpg

:P

Gesta Bellica
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 09:49 AM
Care to share her contact details with me, or introduce me? ;)

After the last events here.. sorry but i won't do that for all the money in this world.

And i feel forced to formally invite you to remove that picture from your signature, possibly before i'll be banned..as you had neither mine nor her permission to use her private picture in any way.

Thank you.

goidelicwarrior
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 03:45 PM
Isolation is no way to preserve a master race, it must re-emerge in the entire population. How you ask, well simple every couple must have a nordic child, this will be possible due the sperm banks housing not only nordic sperm, but the best of the nordic race. High IQ, good looks, fiery disposition, can be some wanted qualities. Also faelids, tronders, keltic nordics with a large amount of classical nordic blood should not be turned down as donors, and will also be viewed as nordics, nordic will be defined according to gunther.

We must also limit the amount of children other non-nordic european people have, that may be most important. Non-european will simply experience the largest genocide ever, no gassing or camps just murdered where they stand. No slaves or any baggage just pure slaughter.

The act of child bearing will be seen not as a natural beautiful extension of a couples love for one another, but as duty to the state. The actual plan will be more complex and detailed, but the first paragraph holds it's basic principals.

This isn't realistic in today's society, only if a revolution were to occur could these plans even be discussed in any meaningful way. To preserve the nordic race we must first preserve our minds.

PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO MY POST IF YOU BELIEVE NORDIC PRESERVATION CAN BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT GENOCIDE OF OTHER RACES, I SIMPLY WON'T RESPOND AND YOU'D GET A SMACK IF I WERE NEXT TO YOU. LOL SERIOUSLY PLEASE NO DUMB RESPONDS! I just wonder what would be done with the people of German, Swedish, English origin that are not nordic enough ? there are quite a number.. not to mention us , Canada.... :P

Vetinari
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 05:04 PM
Given the high level of concern amongst some Nords that their recessive gene-pool is being diluted though miscegenation with the "darker peoples" of Europe and beyond, I would like to propose the following solution:

The Nordic Right of Return
All people of Nordic phenotype should be allowed the right to return and settle in Scandanavia. A panel of experts shall be assembled who will judge any claim to being Nordic. If the panel agrees that a person is "Nordic enough"* then they shall be given the right to settle in a Scandanavian country** of their choice. Those whose claims are rejected by the panel will have to settle elsewhere; this includes those who have been living in Scandanavia and masquerading as Nordics. For those Nords who find themselves unlucky enough to be living outside Scandanavia and for whom the linguistic and cultural upheaval will be too onerous, it is expected that each country with > 0.5% Nordic component shall provide a "Nordic Enclave" where such people can live together, free from the temptation to miscegenate with non-Nordics; such enclaves will preferably be sited in the North of such countries, close to snow if possible. Travel between Scandanavia and Nordic enclaves will be tightly restricted (in both directions). If any Nordic couples produce a child that fails the test for being Nordic, then it will be placed up for adoption by a compatible non-Nordic couple.


*Albinos will not be given automatic right of return.
**Currently: Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Faroe Isles, Greenland, Iceland

Wouldn't it just be easier if people married within their own populations e.g. Swedes marrying Swedes, Dutch marrying Dutch, Greeks marrying Greeks, etc?

Siegfried
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 07:03 PM
Wouldn't it just be easier if people married within their own populations e.g. Swedes marrying Swedes, Dutch marrying Dutch, Greeks marrying Greeks, etc?

I agree.

Johnny Reb
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 07:12 PM
After the last events here.. sorry but i won't do that for all the money in this world.

And i feel forced to formally invite you to remove that picture from your signature, possibly before i'll be banned..as you had neither mine nor her permission to use her private picture in any way.

Thank you.

Where did Loki get that picture from?

Gesta Bellica
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 07:15 PM
Where did Loki get that picture from?
i've posted it as example of Nordic Swedes that should not mix even with Anglo-Saxon or Germans.
One of the girl is a personal netfriend of mine and i wish that her picture will be removed as i get her permission to use her pics only once and not as signature.

SudVolk
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 07:25 PM
Wouldn't it just be easier if people married within their own populations e.g. Swedes marrying Swedes, Dutch marrying Dutch, Greeks marrying Greeks, etc?Yes it would, but that would not solve the problem I was trying to address, ie. that the genes entailing the Nordic phenotype are recessive and disappearing, and that they don't conform to geo-political boundaries. Thus the way to ensure their preservation is through the drastic measures outlined in the proposal.

Siegfried
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 07:29 PM
Yes it would, but that would not solve the problem I was trying to address, ie. that the genes entailing the Nordic phenotype are recessive and disappearing, and that they don't conform to geo-political boundaries. Thus the way to ensure their preservation is through the drastic measures outlined in the proposal.

Well, let's take the Netherlands as an example. The people there are mostly Nordish, with slight Mediterranean admixture (Spanish Empire, Imperium Romanum, migrations). If the Dutch would only marry other ethnic Dutch, the Nordish subrace certainly wouldn't be endangered in the Netherlands. I think more or less the same goes for Scandinavia.

SudVolk
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 07:32 PM
Well, let's take the Netherlands as an example. The people there are mostly Nordish, with slight Mediterranean admixture (Spanish Empire, Imperium Romanum, migrations). If the Dutch would only marry other ethnic Dutch, the Nordish subrace certainly wouldn't be endangered in the Netherlands. I think more or less the same goes for Scandinavia.But if an ethnic Dutchman with a high-level of non-Nordic admixture bred with an ethnic Dutchwoman who was Nordic, it might propagate his non-Nordic genes; the idea is to preserve the woman's genes (in this example) by restricting breeding wih other Nords (who could be from anywhere). In Germany the problem may be more acute as Nordic genes are not in the majority as they are in the Scandanavian countries.

Loki
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 08:53 PM
After the last events here.. sorry but i won't do that for all the money in this world.

What last events?


And i feel forced to formally invite you to remove that picture from your signature.....

Thanks - I do not accept random invitations. You could, on the other hand, ask me politely to remove it.


... possibly before i'll be banned..

Why would you be banned?


... as you had neither mine nor her permission to use her private picture in any way.

I take as granted permission to use at my discretion pictures posted publically on the internet. Even guests can view Skadi. You did not post this picture on a private forum, nor did you express a wish for the picture to be treated as confidential. I would remove it now, since you have expressed your dissatisfaction with the picture's usage in my signature.


Thank you.

No problemo.

Gesta Bellica
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 09:30 PM
What last events?.
Some people cosidered as "ad hominem" insults words that was posted by me and that in an Italian conversation would be treated as nortmal confrontation.



Why would you be banned?
you will see




I take as granted permission to use at my discretion pictures posted publically on the internet. Even guests can view Skadi. You did not post this picture on a private forum, nor did you express a wish for the picture to be treated as confidential. I would remove it now, since you have expressed your dissatisfaction with the picture's usage in my signature.


I appreciated that.
For the same reason i didn't save or use your personal pictures that was posted at SAF.

nordic_canadian_male
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 12:55 AM
If you were next to me you'd hit me eh????


Somehow, I am not the least bit scared. (See picture)


What a geek, have you noticed how skinny you are, I don't know how i'd manage against such a physical specimen. I wonder if that's even you, you look like a south american rebel.

Von Braun
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 05:41 AM
In Germany the problem may be more acute as Nordic genes are not in the majority as they are in the Scandanavian countries.

I am glad that someone has publicly admitted this. However, some here would maintain that even if Nordic genes are not in the majority in Germany, that Nordish genes are (that is, if you include those of East Baltics and UPs) in the majority there. I think it is an unresolved issue so far. Maybe we'll have a way of knowing in a few decades.

goidelicwarrior
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 09:58 AM
What a geek, have you noticed how skinny you are, I don't know how i'd manage against such a physical specimen. I wonder if that's even you, you look like a south american rebel. u are funny dude.. so the beatles would not be allowed to have children in your fantasy kingdom :P ??

Evolved
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 10:16 AM
I am glad that someone has publicly admitted this. However, some here would maintain that even if Nordic genes are not in the majority in Germany, that Nordish genes are (that is, if you include those of East Baltics and UPs) in the majority there. I think it is an unresolved issue so far. Maybe we'll have a way of knowing in a few decades.

I did not know they have isolated the genes for Nordicness. :)

Glenlivet
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 11:00 AM
I think that London is quite mild during winter. They make news out of little snow.

The summers are too hot. They are very humid and sticky. It is worst in the tube. It feels as if you are choking.



I love the cold, too! Especially the snow. I like the London winter more than I like the summer....

SudVolk
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 04:28 PM
I think that London is quite mild during winter. They make news out of little snow.

The summers are too hot. They are very humid and sticky. It is worst in the tube. It feels as if you are choking.I agree. London can be a disagreable place in summer, especially on the tube; but the bus can be pleasant first thing in the morning - if you're not in too much of a hurry! English summers can be great though if you're in the countryside.

johnnywalker
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 04:51 PM
There are huge amounts of foreigners in Scandinavia..

SudVolk
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 04:54 PM
There are huge amounts of foreigners in Scandinavia..Would you say they are more foreign by nationality, or foreign by ethnic composition ?

Loki
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 04:54 PM
There are huge amounts of foreigners in Scandinavia..

They need to leave as soon as possible. :)

johnnywalker
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 04:57 PM
So who says the Scandinavians would welcome Nordics from other countries with open arms? I'm not sure..actually I don't think so..
I find this idea too fictional.

SudVolk
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 04:59 PM
They need to leave as soon as possible. :)Let's hope they're not doing anything too important then.

SudVolk
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 05:02 PM
So who says the Scandinavians would welcome Nordics from other countries with open arms? I'm not sure..actually I don't think so..
I find this idea too fictional.Non-Nordic immigrants would certainly stand out less than other types; perhaps the indigenous Nords wouldn't notice after a while?

Marlboro
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 05:06 PM
There are huge amounts of foreigners in Scandinavia..
What do you base this on? Have you been here? Do you live here? Or did you see it on television? Almost all our "new countrymen" live in Oslo, and during the day you will see a lot of them because the rest of us have jobs to attend. In most parts of the country there are almost none, only a few adopted asians... Im talking about non-white foreigners now btw. In summer though there is alot of foreigners here..theyre called tourists, but are mainly german and dutch and are most welcome:) We also have poles here, theyre called "jordbærplukkers" :)

SudVolk
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 05:08 PM
What do you base this on? Have you been here? Do you live here? Or did you see it on television? Almost all our "new countrymen" live in Oslo, and during the day you will see a lot of them because the rest of us have jobs to attend. In most parts of the country there are almost none, only a few adopted asians... Im talking about non-white foreigners now btw. In summer though there is alot of foreigners here..theyre called tourists, but are mainly german and dutch and are most welcome:) We also have poles here, theyre called "jordbærplukkers" :)Come on Marlboro, you can't use a word like "jordbærplukkers" and not provide a translation into English for us monoglots. What does it mean ? Is it derogatory ?

Siegfried
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 05:13 PM
Is it derogatory ?

Yes, it is. I think it means something like 'berry pluckers'; ie cheap labourers.

Marlboro
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 05:16 PM
They need to leave as soon as possible. :)
They will...they are not welcome..



Jordbærplukkers = Strawberry pluckers Thats what they do, thousands come here for a month or two every year, whole families...and now we just refer to poles as Jorbærplukkere...I dont think its derogatory... i didnt mean it too... :)

SudVolk
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 05:22 PM
They will...they are not welcome..
Who will you replace them with to do all the crap jobs that the locals don't want to do anymore, like cleaning toilets, sweeping the streets and working as academics in Scandinavian universities ?

Marlboro
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 05:37 PM
Who will you replace them with to do all the crap jobs that the locals don't want to do anymore, like cleaning toilets, sweeping the streets and working as academics in Scandinavian universities ?
Academics? that cant be many, Ive never seen any...anyway..lets say your right...with fewer immigrants, there will be fewer students and therefore we wont need them...but really..where do you get this from??

Toilets will be cleaned by people who refuse to do service in the military, and choose civil service instead, right now they dont do anything. The other shit jobs will be done by people convicted to community service etc.

Loki
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 05:45 PM
Marlboro, it is excellent to have you on Skadi forum. Be most welcome, honourable Scandinavian kamerad! :D

Loki
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 05:46 PM
Let's hope they're not doing anything too important then.

Rest assured - they are not. :)

Loki
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 05:48 PM
Yes, it is. I think it means something like 'berry pluckers'; ie cheap labourers.

Indeed, Marlboro is correct. They are called that, because that is the job they are doing - thus it is not derogatory, and I doubt it was meant to be derogatory.

Telperion
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 05:49 PM
So who says the Scandinavians would welcome Nordics from other countries with open arms? I'm not sure..actually I don't think so..
I find this idea too fictional.I suggested the nordic preservation idea being discussed on this thread to a Danish cousin of mine (she lives in Copenhagen). She is quite nordic looking herself (I'm not sure of the exact sub-type). She felt there were three problems with the proposal:

1.) Where would the 'less nordic' Danes go, and what would happen to their language and culture? Would they be assimilated by someone else, and if so who?

2.) Presumably many Danish families would be broken up, and this would be intolerable to most people

3.) In her view, nordic foreigners who do not speak Danish, or understand the Danish culture, would be almost as unwelcome as immigrants to Denmark as are the non-white immigrants who currently plague Copenhagen. This is particularly so if they suddenly formed the majority of the population, which they likely would, since a (small) majority of Danes are of various mixed types rather than 'purely' nordic in appearance. (Danes generally are less nordic-looking than their Swedish neighbours.) She felt it would be especially bad if most of the nordic immigrants were English-speaking, since that would be the kiss of death for the preservation of the Danish language. (She has in the past criticized me for never bothering to learn Danish, even though 1/4 of my ancestors are from Denmark.)

Her own proposal was that nordic types should marry other nordic types wherever they are, but stay away from Denmark (except as tourists). I don't know how representative her comments are of what most Danes would think, but I imagine many would agree with her.

My own view (leaving my cousin's Danish chauvinism aside) is that the problem with the proposal on this thread is that it priortizes racial type preservation at the expense of cultural preservation, to the extent that any culture in the resulting nordic super-nation would be artificial or synthetic, at least for many decades or centuries. Anyone have ideas on how to resolve that problem, or should it 'kill' the proposal?

bocian
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 05:55 PM
They will...they are not welcome..



Jordbærplukkers = Strawberry pluckers Thats what they do, thousands come here for a month or two every year, whole families...and now we just refer to poles as Jorbærplukkere...I dont think its derogatory... i didnt mean it too... :)

A friend of mine plucked berries...and made good money at it, at least by Polish standards that is.

I know others that pick peppers in the Netherlands, and even more who are currently building Berlin and Frankfurt.

I know it annoys the shit out of you guys to see lowly Slavs try to make a couple of bucks, but if you lived in Poland you would understand.

The economical situation in Poland is terrible right now. Thousands upon thousands of young people are without work.

I actually admire the ones who go and try to make a couple of bucks. Btw it's not easy work.

SudVolk
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 06:06 PM
Academics? that cant be many, Ive never seen any...anyway..lets say your right...with fewer immigrants, there will be fewer students and therefore we wont need them...but really..where do you get this from??
Because I know/knew a few from my discipline, which is computer science, working in Scandinavian universities. There must be thousands of qualified foreigners doing jobs in Scandinavia for which there aren't any/enough qualified locals; maybe you could encourage some of the Scandies back from the UK, who are taking jobs here?

SudVolk
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 06:15 PM
I suggested the nordic preservation idea being discussed on this thread to a Danish cousin of mine (she lives in Copenhagen). She is quite nordic looking herself (I'm not sure of the exact sub-type). She felt there were three problems with the proposal:

1.) Where would the 'less nordic' Danes go, and what would happen to their language and culture? Would they be assimilated by someone else, and if so who?

2.) Presumably many Danish families would be broken up, and this would be intolerable to most people

3.) In her view, nordic foreigners who do not speak Danish, or understand the Danish culture, would be almost as unwelcome as immigrants to Denmark as are the non-white immigrants who currently plague Copenhagen. This is particularly so if they suddenly formed the majority of the population, which they likely would, since a (small) majority of Danes are of various mixed types rather than 'purely' nordic in appearance. (Danes generally are less nordic-looking than their Swedish neighbours.) She felt it would be especially bad if most of the nordic immigrants were English-speaking, since that would be the kiss of death for the preservation of the Danish language. (She has in the past criticized me for never bothering to learn Danish, even though 1/4 of my ancestors are from Denmark.)

Her own proposal was that nordic types should marry other nordic types wherever they are, but stay away from Denmark (except as tourists). I don't know how representative her comments are of what most Danes would think, but I imagine many would agree with her.
Hence the clause in my proposal to set up reservations in the local countries, should assimilation prove too difficult.



My own view (leaving my cousin's Danish chauvinism aside) is that the problem with the proposal on this thread is that it priortizes racial type preservation at the expense of cultural preservation, to the extent that any culture in the resulting nordic super-nation would be artificial or synthetic, at least for many decades or centuries. Anyone have ideas on how to resolve that problem, or should it 'kill' the proposal?But racial preservation is an overriding concern to many on this site. You could achieve cultural preservation by teaching the Africans to speak Danish and eat herring.

Marlboro
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 06:23 PM
A friend of mine plucked berries...and made good money at it, at least by Polish standards that is.

I know others that pick peppers in the Netherlands, and even more who are currently building Berlin and Frankfurt.

I know it annoys the shit out of you guys to see lowly Slavs try to make a couple of bucks, but if you lived in Poland you would understand.

The economical situation in Poland is terrible right now. Thousands upon thousands of young people are without work.

I actually admire the ones who go and try to make a couple of bucks. Btw it's not easy work.


I never said it annoys us. We appreciate it, without them the strawberry farmers would have to shut down. Its nothing wrong with having workers coming in for a couple of months a year. it s like work-tourism or something like that:)

Gesta Bellica
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 06:29 PM
I suggested the nordic preservation idea being discussed on this thread to a Danish cousin of mine (she lives in Copenhagen). She is quite nordic looking herself (I'm not sure of the exact sub-type). She felt there were three problems with the proposal:

1.) Where would the 'less nordic' Danes go, and what would happen to their language and culture? Would they be assimilated by someone else, and if so who?

2.) Presumably many Danish families would be broken up, and this would be intolerable to most people

3.) In her view, nordic foreigners who do not speak Danish, or understand the Danish culture, would be almost as unwelcome as immigrants to Denmark as are the non-white immigrants who currently plague Copenhagen. This is particularly so if they suddenly formed the majority of the population, which they likely would, since a (small) majority of Danes are of various mixed types rather than 'purely' nordic in appearance. (Danes generally are less nordic-looking than their Swedish neighbours.) She felt it would be especially bad if most of the nordic immigrants were English-speaking, since that would be the kiss of death for the preservation of the Danish language. (She has in the past criticized me for never bothering to learn Danish, even though 1/4 of my ancestors are from Denmark.)

Her own proposal was that nordic types should marry other nordic types wherever they are, but stay away from Denmark (except as tourists). I don't know how representative her comments are of what most Danes would think, but I imagine many would agree with her.

My own view (leaving my cousin's Danish chauvinism aside) is that the problem with the proposal on this thread is that it priortizes racial type preservation at the expense of cultural preservation, to the extent that any culture in the resulting nordic super-nation would be artificial or synthetic, at least for many decades or centuries. Anyone have ideas on how to resolve that problem, or should it 'kill' the proposal?

The racial preservation and the cultural preservation are both important, your Danish cousin is so damn right, i agree with her on many points except for the extremism about Nordic immigrants.
White immigrates are always preferable than non-whites as they might be assimilated with time if their number is not too consistent.

A racially omologated nation (example: italy with 100% of black hair and dark eyes) is an aberration and an horrible manipulation of what my country is and used to be.
i'll always oppose such ideas.

Telperion
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 06:32 PM
You could achieve cultural preservation by teaching the Africans to speak Danish and eat herring.
I suppose, but of course that would go from one extreme to the other. My own view is that racial and cultural preservation need to be balanced, because they are both important (at least to me).

Gesta Bellica
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 06:34 PM
I never said it annoys us. We appreciate it, without them the strawberry farmers would have to shut down. Its nothing wrong with having workers coming in for a couple of months a year. it s like work-tourism or something like that:)

i'd be glad to hear what's your opinion about the Nrd/Med question, do u think that the Southern Europeans are actually a menace to the racial integrity of your country?

I don't mean a biological evaluation of their potential impact (as they surely alter the status quo) but more a political evaluation about if this is an actual problem for u or just almost irrilevant, considering today's situation in Europe.

Telperion
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 06:50 PM
[QUOTE=Gesta Bellica]The racial preservation and the cultural preservation are both important, your Danish cousin is so damn right, i agree with her on many points except for the extremism about Nordic immigrants.
White immigrates are always preferable than non-whites as they might be assimilated with time if their number is not too consistent.
QUOTE]

I agree with you that white immigrants are obviously preferable to non-whites.

My cousin seems to strongly object to immigration of any sort, so that she doesn't consider white immigrants to be much better (she would make an exception for other Scandinavians, but not for Germans, whom she doesn't like.) But, that's her view, other Danes might take a more relaxed view of the subject. As I said, I'm not sure how representative her views are.

Gesta Bellica
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 07:05 PM
[QUOTE=Gesta Bellica]The racial preservation and the cultural preservation are both important, your Danish cousin is so damn right, i agree with her on many points except for the extremism about Nordic immigrants.
White immigrates are always preferable than non-whites as they might be assimilated with time if their number is not too consistent.
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I agree with you that white immigrants are obviously preferable to non-whites.

My cousin seems to strongly object to immigration of any sort, so that she doesn't consider white immigrants to be much better (she would make an exception for other Scandinavians, but not for Germans, whom she doesn't like.) But, that's her view, other Danes might take a more relaxed view of the subject. As I said, I'm not sure how representative her views are.

Well if i was Danish i would think like her.
I won't accept huge masses of Frenchmen or Spaniards too, even if i appreciated them as people, they would simply destroy my cultural and racial identity.
i'd evaluate case by case.
Let's not forget that a mass migration have also cultural aspects not only racial ones...

Marlboro
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 07:08 PM
i'd be glad to hear what's your opinion about the Nrd/Med question, do u think that the Southern Europeans are actually a menace to the racial integrity of your country?

I don't mean a biological evaluation of their potential impact (as they surely alter the status quo) but more a political evaluation about if this is an actual problem for u or just almost irrilevant, considering today's situation in Europe.
On other boards i often see meds posting posts about us nordics...posts that clearly show they do NOT know what they are talking about...I dont want to make that mistake. I wont deny I have some opinions on this subject, but until Ive actually been in Italy and done some more reading, and hopefully learned more about this I wont answer the question.

Gesta Bellica
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 07:13 PM
On other boards i often see meds posting posts about us nordics...posts that clearly show they do NOT know what they are talking about...I dont want to make that mistake. I wont deny I have some opinions on this subject, but until Ive actually been in Italy and done some more reading, and hopefully learned more about this I wont answer the question.

Well i meant something different, i guess my question was not clear :)
I try again:
According to your everyday experience do you think that Southern Europeans are an actual danger to the preservation process of your people's identity? I mean with subracially mixed marriages etc

Marlboro
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Well i meant something different, i guess my question was not clear :)
I try again:
According to your everyday experience do you think that Southern Europeans are an actual danger to the preservation process of your people's identity? I mean with subracially mixed marriages etc
Thats my opinion yes.

Gesta Bellica
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 07:59 PM
Thats my opinion yes.
And how many norwegian/south european couples u happened to meet in norway?

Loki
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 08:08 PM
And how many norwegian/south european couples u happened to meet in norway?

I've seen plenty when I visited Oslo :(

Gesta Bellica
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 08:12 PM
I've seen plenty when I visited Oslo :(

It's weird as Scandinavia is not an appealing vacation target down here, i have seen really few couple when i was in Finland and Sweden, much more in Estonia but the social/economical contest is far different there.

Loki
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 08:15 PM
It's weird as Scandinavia is not an appealing vacation target down here, i have seen really few couple when i was in Finland and Sweden, much more in Estonia but the social/economical contest is far different there.

Sad to hear about Estonia...

Marlboro
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 08:15 PM
None.

Gesta Bellica
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 08:17 PM
None.
is it an answer to my question?
so how can we be such a menace if u have seen none?
i am just curious

Gesta Bellica
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 08:19 PM
Sad to hear about Estonia...
I have seen a lot of foreign guys with local girls, mainly Italians, Germans and English.
Luckly the non whites were really few, i have counted 5 in 2 weeks in Tallinn's old town

Marlboro
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 08:22 PM
is it an answer to my question?
so how can we be such a menace if u have seen none?
i am just curious
Your not a menace. I dont dislike meds. I just dont want mixed couples. I wanna try to keep the nordid subrace as nordid as possible as I am sure you would like to keep you med subrace as med as possible. Theres not many mixed couples here now(maybe some oslo) and i would like to keep it that way.

Gesta Bellica
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 08:40 PM
Your not a menace. I dont dislike meds. I just dont want mixed couples. I wanna try to keep the nordid subrace as nordid as possible as I am sure you would like to keep you med subrace as med as possible. Theres not many mixed couples here now(maybe some oslo) and i would like to keep it that way.

Yeah i misunderstood your precedent posts.
My opinion is perfect aligned with yours.

Loki
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 08:57 PM
I have seen a lot of foreign guys with local girls, mainly Italians, Germans and English.
Luckly the non whites were really few, i have counted 5 in 2 weeks in Tallinn's old town

Tallinn is, of course, not very Estonian - it has a very large Russian minority (majority?).

Gesta Bellica
Saturday, April 17th, 2004, 09:03 PM
Tallinn is, of course, not very Estonian - it has a very large Russian minority (majority?).

Well i didn't count Russian-Estonian couples as they are so common there.
i think in Tallinn they are 50% and 50% moreover a lot of individuals are already 50%-50% themselves.
In general Estonian girls prefer more Russian guys than Estonians while it's not so common the other way around.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, April 18th, 2004, 08:04 AM
I love the cold, too! Especially the snow. I like the London winter more than I like the summer....

If you like to shovel snow, I have a winter home for you.

Loki
Sunday, April 18th, 2004, 10:05 AM
If you like to shovel snow, I have a winter home for you.

I would never decline such a generous invitation. :)

RoadScholar
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 07:17 AM
Exaclty why are Poles not appreciated in Scandanavia? Or elsewhere by Europeans for that matter? I really see no logical, or even superficial reasons why people dislike the Poles. I have never lived in my motherland, but I do feel very offended when people like you Loki make such remarks as on the previous page. Sorry you think we're dirtying up your precious scand lands. I am not a racialist, but just for curiosities sake, why exactly do you dislike a people which is culturally and in appearance very simular, and who's people most likely interchanged a lot in previous times.

I think, simply because of geographic factors, it is essential for Poland that the Poles become more accepted by the Scandanavian countries. Yet we've done all we could on our part. There is very little we can do. Until Poland, if ever, becomes a real power people will just pick on Poles because they are easy to pick on. I think Polish people have earned more than just simple acceptance by Western Europe. But it's not going to happen, because people don't do things unless they have to or it's of interest to them.

Loki
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 07:20 AM
I have never lived in my motherland, but I do feel very offended when people like you Loki make such remarks as on the previous page. .

What remark of myself have offended you? And why?

RoadScholar
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 07:31 AM
What remark of myself have offended you? And why?

An old post on a previous page. "They need to leave as soon as possible."

But my post was about general dislike about my people, mostly without any logical and non-realistic superficial reasons.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 07:53 AM
I would never decline such a generous invitation. :)

A done-deal then.

As for Poles, I don't understand any reason for the dislike of Poles. The focuss of Skadi is racial, not ethnic, if I understand correctly. Racially, Hitler had no problem kidnapping Polish children of Nordic appearance for his Lebensborn program. In my line of work, Poles have contributed greatly and done things I do not have the courage and maybe the intellect to do. I don't see this as a Pole vs. Germanic thing. Does anyone really wish for Poland and all its people to vanish off the face of the earth? I think not.

johnnywalker
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 04:03 PM
There's tons of Pakistanis in Oslo

Loki
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 06:24 PM
An old post on a previous page. "They need to leave as soon as possible."

But my post was about general dislike about my people, mostly without any logical and non-realistic superficial reasons.

I offended you because I said non-European immigrants to Scandinavia should leave a.s.a.p. ?

Who are your people? :)

RoadScholar
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 06:34 PM
I offended you because I said non-European immigrants to Scandinavia should leave a.s.a.p. ?

Who are your people? :)

My people are the Polish. Therefore I find it extremly sad that poles are called berry pickers and are expected to take crappy jobs "not fit" for native scands. And it does offend me when you say they should leave as soon as possible, as if they have no right to be there. In that context your comment was referring to native poles was it not?

Loki
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 07:40 PM
My people are the Polish. Therefore I find it extremly sad that poles are called berry pickers and are expected to take crappy jobs "not fit" for native scands. And it does offend me when you say they should leave as soon as possible, as if they have no right to be there. In that context your comment was referring to native poles was it not?

No, no... you have misunderstood me. Those Polish berry-pickers in Norway are only seasonal workers - I was not referring to them.

RoadScholar
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 07:48 PM
No, no... you have misunderstood me. Those Polish berry-pickers in Norway are only seasonal workers - I was not referring to them.

Oh, I appologize if I did not understand you correctly.

However, just for clarification you would have problems with them living there permanatly wouldn't you?

Loki
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 08:16 PM
Oh, I appologize if I did not understand you correctly.

No problem.


However, just for clarification you would have problems with them living there permanatly wouldn't you?

They are certainly more acceptable than non-Europeans, or even Mediterranean Europeans. Yet, I would like Norway to retain its distinct Norwegian character - so I would not like to encourage any large-scale migration from anywhere else than other similar Scandinavian countries, e.g. Sweden and Denmark.

Marlboro
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 08:33 PM
There's tons of Pakistanis in Oslo
Largest immigration group in oslo: Swedes, followed by danes. But youre right, theres way too (more than 0...) many Pakis...but nothing more than other northern European capitals.

RoadScholar
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 11:31 PM
No problem.



They are certainly more acceptable than non-Europeans, or even Mediterranean Europeans. Yet, I would like Norway to retain its distinct Norwegian character - so I would not like to encourage any large-scale migration from anywhere else than other similar Scandinavian countries, e.g. Sweden and Denmark.

Here is the conclusion though, in what ways exactly are we different? We eat the same foods, we have simular cultures, simular buildings, simular climates, and most look very simular. The differences between our people is the language we speak, and our history. That is basically it.

A good family friend of ours moved to Norway. After a very short time she had regular Norwegian friends and such. It would now be pretty impossible to tell her family apart from any other in Norway. This despite the fact that indeed she does not look Norwegian by birth. Nor has she probably ever had a scand in any of her ancestry (most Poles don't, although the less proud will claim otherwise.) From what I have heard the Poles in Norway and other such countries are not as welcome as say German, Dutch, or even English immigrants, and are only accepted if they stop trying to keep any Polish roots. As in if you move in and put a Polish flag in your back yard, you shouldn't expect any housewarming presents from the neighbours.

Don't get me wrong though, I am quite proud of being Polish and will not ever try to pretend to be a scand or have scand heratidge. It's just that it is still annoying to see my people discriminated agaisnt unfairly when there is discrimination, consdering our people are very simular. "Do things right, even if they're wrong" is a good example of what I mean.

Anyways I guess one of the reasons why Poland is disliekd is because it's the most melodramatic country ever. It's the only people on earth who worry about what others think of them. Which I guess this post borders on right here. There are too many Poles who say they are proud of what they are, but want people to think better of us. Too many Poles I know will say "Well I'm Polish.....BUT my family comes from Germany." or "I'm Polish BUT I think I am part Swedish." If someone says to a Pole "Oh, you come from Eastern Europe, that's cool." the Pole will go "Western Europe." Nobody wants to hear that. Or "so you come from a Russian country, cool" the Pole will respond with "It's closer to being german then russian." There aren't enough poles who will say to non-Poles any of what I have in my signiture. Thanks for listening to me babble.

Loki
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 11:35 PM
From what I have heard the Poles in Norway and other such countries are not as welcome as say German, Dutch, or even English immigrants, and are only accepted if they stop trying to keep any Polish roots.

You'll have to square that out with Norwegians. I am not a Norwegian. However, since it is their country, I would respect their decisions on who would be welcome, and who not.


As in if you move in and put a Polish flag in your back yard, you shouldn't expect any housewarming presents from the neighbours.

If it is so unwelcome in Norway, then why not rather stay in beautiful Poland? :) Why do you have to go to Norway, and be accepted there?

RoadScholar
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 11:50 PM
You'll have to square that out with Norwegians. I am not a Norwegian. However, since it is their country, I would respect their decisions on who would be welcome, and who not.



If it is so unwelcome in Norway, then why not rather stay in beautiful Poland? :) Why do you have to go to Norway, and be accepted there?

As for who is welcome, like I said, it does not bother me in the sense that they do welcome certain people and not others. I do not plan to live in any scand country as it's fairly nice here in Canada. Like I also said though, it's annoying simply because of the matter that to me it seems illogical that they only want people like them and yet do not welcome Poles half as much as much more different peoples. I would find it just as annoying if other races were involved, ie. if Ukrian welcomes Greeks more so than Serbians. However having my ethnicity involved is a factor as to why I care, not how much it bothers me.

As for why the need to travel, it's because Poland is in a horrible shape. There is a lack of jobs, no opportunity to make decent salary, corruption, and the health and social services system is ridiculously crappy. This is where the want to leave Poland comes from. Canada and the United States are always open, but I'm sure that Poles would have a much easier time intergrating with and scand population than a multicultural predominatly english, spanish, or french (dependng on where you live) one.

Can you understand or identify with me on either of these concerns? If Germany (I assume that's where you live) was in bad shape, and Poland was in a good shape. Wouldn't it annoy you if the Poles said "We only want people like us. The English are welcome, so are the French. But you Germans aren't." Wouldn't this annoy you?

Loki
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 11:56 PM
As for why the need to travel, it's because Poland is in a horrible shape. There is a lack of jobs, no opportunity to make decent salary, corruption, and the health and social services system is ridiculously crappy. This is where the want to leave Poland comes from.

Let me be honest with you. Norwegians probably associate these problems and horrible conditions you mention, with Poles themselves. They could, hypothetically argue, that it is Poles who make Poland so bad. Now I know that this "logic" does not always tell the whole truth - Poland endured decades of Communist rule, and that had an enormous impact. Normal people, however, do not always understand that.

RoadScholar
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 12:08 AM
Let me be honest with you. Norwegians probably associate these problems and horrible conditions you mention, with Poles themselves. They could, hypothetically argue, that it is Poles who make Poland so bad. Now I know that this "logic" does not always tell the whole truth - Poland endured decades of Communist rule, and that had an enormous impact. Normal people, however, do not always understand that.

Thanks for that understanding. However I don't think it tells ANY of the truth. Poles in any country have always been hard working, not even on a personal level (since it would be wrong of my to lay claim to individual behavior of Poles, even mroe so because I am one) but as a society. We have always worked towards progress culturally and in terms of making life better. Communsit rule was especially difficult on us because, while Russia experianced a great modernization in tehcnology and industry, Poland did not enjoy any of those benefits. So years later what we are left with is a country with a crappy agricultural system, crappy communications systems, crappy production systems, crappy health systems, and a crappy military.

Loki
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 12:11 AM
Thanks for that understanding. However I don't think it tells ANY of the truth. Poles in any country have always been hard working, not even on a personal level (since it would be wrong of my to lay claim to individual behavior of Poles, even mroe so because I am one) but as a society. We have always worked towards progress culturally and in terms of making life better. Communsit rule was especially difficult on us because, while Russia experianced a great modernization in tehcnology and industry, Poland did not enjoy any of those benefits. So years later what we are left with is a country with a crappy agricultural system, crappy communications systems, crappy production systems, crappy health systems, and a crappy military.

I believe you, and I wish your country the best for the future. Things can only get better from now on.... just don't always try to please America. Rather work to mend relations with your immediate neighbours, like Germany. Therein is your success.

Louky
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 01:10 AM
...it's annoying simply because of the matter that to me it seems illogical that they only want people like them and yet do not welcome Poles half as much as much more different peoples....

As for why the need to travel, it's because Poland is in a horrible shape. There is a lack of jobs, no opportunity to make decent salary, corruption, and the health and social services system is ridiculously crappy. This is where the want to leave Poland comes from....

Can you understand or identify with me on either of these concerns? If Germany (I assume that's where you live) was in bad shape, and Poland was in a good shape. Wouldn't it annoy you if the Poles said "We only want people like us. The English are welcome, so are the French. But you Germans aren't." Wouldn't this annoy you?
The reason is that people (me included) tend to see societies as products of the collect mind of the people creating them. If Poland is in such "crappy" shape, the inference is that Poles have made it that way. They (Norwegians) don't want a piece of a disheveled collective mind.

Poland is coming out of some tumultuous times under marxism and I expect it will take a while to get things straightened out. After all, Poland didn't become "crappy" over night. Poles are an intelligent and cultured people. Surely they can change the trajectory of their country's economy.

Better to stay in Poland and help improve the country than to run away.

RoadScholar
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 01:18 AM
Better to stay in Poland and help improve the country than to run away.

Yes, it's quite a cycle. Poles want to get out because of economic conditions, but if our best workers leave conditions will never get better.

For this reason I'm sort of happy that many countries are not allowing free access to Poles after it joins the EU. However I am at the same time very angry that the reasoning behind this is that people just don't want Poles in their countries.

SudVolk
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 07:44 PM
The reason is that people (me included) tend to see societies as products of the collect mind of the people creating them. If Poland is in such "crappy" shape, the inference is that Poles have made it that way. They (Norwegians) don't want a piece of a disheveled collective mind.

Poland is coming out of some tumultuous times under marxism and I expect it will take a while to get things straightened out. After all, Poland didn't become "crappy" over night. Poles are an intelligent and cultured people. Surely they can change the trajectory of their country's economy.

Better to stay in Poland and help improve the country than to run away.But if the Polish mind is "disheveled" how can it make any progress at improving Poland? Contrariwise, if it can revitalize its own country, then how can it be "disheveled".

Why shouldn't Poles, carefully registered and controlled, bring vitality and energy to other, more developed, but more comfortable (read: decadent) countries?

SudVolk
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 07:50 PM
The reason is that people (me included) tend to see societies as products of the collect mind of the people creating them. If Poland is in such "crappy" shape, the inference is that Poles have made it that way. They (Norwegians) don't want a piece of a disheveled collective mind.

Poland is coming out of some tumultuous times under marxism and I expect it will take a while to get things straightened out. After all, Poland didn't become "crappy" over night. Poles are an intelligent and cultured people. Surely they can change the trajectory of their country's economy.

Better to stay in Poland and help improve the country than to run away.I would add that your own country has benefited from waves of immigation, bringing fresh ideas, energy and vitality, to make it the leading world power that it is today.

RoadScholar
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 08:15 PM
Why shouldn't Poles, carefully registered and controlled, bring vitality and energy to other, more developed, but more comfortable (read: decadent) countries?

That's be much worse than banning Polish immigration altogether. I can't even begin to say how demeanng that idea is.

To label an immigrant as a Pole have have to register in a special way different than other immigrants would not only be both very demeaning but quite unjustified.

Not to mention that trying to seperate people into disctinct minorities historically has only ever led to bad things, for both those who are being discriminated against and those who discriminated.

Louky
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 09:10 PM
But if the Polish mind is "disheveled" how can it make any progress at improving Poland? Contrariwise, if it can revitalize its own country, then how can it be "disheveled".
Look at it from the standpoint of an individual. After a traumatic experience, an individual may suffer psychologically for a time. However, after having time to recover, the same individual usually gets back to "normalcy." Often people even learn from the bad experience which makes their life even better.

Poland will come around.


Why shouldn't Poles, carefully registered and controlled, bring vitality and energy to other, more developed, but more comfortable (read: decadent) countries?
I'm sure they would (do), although I'm not sure what the phrase, "carefully registered and controlled" means. The question in the context of the thread is, is it good for Poland?

Louky
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 09:20 PM
I would add that your own country has benefited from waves of immigation, bringing fresh ideas, energy and vitality, to make it the leading world power that it is today.
That's true to an extant. Like the song goes, "From Ireland, Poland, France they came to join this noble band." I don't see how Haitians, Central American mestizos, Boat People, and all the others making up the favored minority immigration, legal and illegal, can create more than a chaos of peoples and a permanently disheveled mind.

SudVolk
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 09:55 PM
That's true to an extant. Like the song goes, "From Ireland, Poland, France they came to join this noble band." I don't see how Haitians, Central American mestizos, Boat People, and all the others making up the favored minority immigration, legal and illegal, can create more than a chaos of peoples and a permanently disheveled mind.I agree that unchecked immigration can be a bad thing for a country, especially when the guests are wildly incompatible with the host: different ethnic origin, religion, language etc. but these are not insurmountable problems. Allowing people in to work "on licence" has been practiced by the USA for decades using its Green Card system. Surely Green Cards can be revoked if rights are abused, and then an immigrant would have to leave? All it needs is the will to control things properly and everybody can be a winner, surely ?

friedrich braun
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 11:11 PM
Thanks for that understanding. However I don't think it tells ANY of the truth.A couple of quick comments:

1) Do you honestly believe that Poles are totally blameless for their "crappy" current circumstances? This sounds like a patent copout. Frankly, I hear this type of irresponsible whitewashing from all sorts of losers who cannot accept their own shortcomings and must find external factors in order to protect their ever so fragile egos. However, until Poles fully accept responsibility for the "crappy" state of their country they will not progress and improve their country's situation.

2) I don't understand your whining concerning Norway and other Scandinavian countries (although this is pretty much standard behaviour from undesirable immigrants). The Scandinavians don't have to like Poles or want them in THEIR countries. Do you understand? They don't owe you anything. And they don't have to provide you with an explanation either. The honourable thing to do in such a situation would be to simply avoid going there in the first place and for Poles that already live in said the countries to pack up and leave, instead of importuning their hosts with their unwelcome presence

RoadScholar
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 01:07 AM
A couple of quick comments:

1) Do you honestly believe that Poles are totally blameless for their "crappy" current circumstances? This sounds like a patent copout. Frankly, I hear this type of irresponsible whitewashing from all sorts of losers who cannot accept their own shortcomings and must find external factors in order to protect their ever so fragile egos. However, until Poles fully accept responsibility for the "crappy" state of their country they will not progress and improve their country's situation.

2) I don't understand your whining concerning Norway and other Scandinavian countries (although this is pretty much standard behaviour from undesirable immigrants). The Scandinavians don't have to like Poles or want them in THEIR countries. Do you understand? They don't owe you anything. And they don't have to provide you with an explanation either. The honourable thing to do in such a situation would be to simply avoid going there in the first place and for Poles that already live in said the countries to pack up and leave, instead of importuning their hosts with their unwelcome presence



As for the first point that is both arrogant and ignorant. It is very easy to judge others when you've never faces simular problems, especially when you have no idea what those problems are. However things are changing, the Polish economic system is the most progressive of the eastern bloc countries. Witholding say a unified attempt by core EU members to turn Poland into a cheap industry disctrict, quality of life is expected to go up rapidly. This is not my opinion, this is the opinion of sources such as BBC and CNN, or will you claim this is American-British propeganda? Think about it, logically, we lost decades of progress due to communism. While all the western countries were advancing their technology and way of life for themselves, and were free to make mutally beneffiting alliances, Poland did not have either of these privallages.

Again, point two ignorant and arrogant. I may ask whatever I please. Furthermore, it's a logical question. I'm a native of Canada, what if it were my opinion that lowly scands and Germans had no place in my country. I would at least grant you asking about my beliefs on the subject, which would be the rational thing to do. Furthermore, this was the only real point I was trying to get at. Poles who have lived in scandie countries for a while would be extremly hard to tell apart from the native population, barring certain ethnical activities. Yet if a scandie would find out that their neighbour was actually Polish and not from that country they would find him undesireable, as I have heard is the case. Which to me just seems illogical, and therefore makes me curious. That was my only point.

By the way, I will not stoop so low as to address your obvious troll posts which attempt to get a rise out of me. That's just ridiculous and certainly bad discussion form.

Johnny Reb
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 01:55 AM
1) Do you honestly believe that Poles are totally blameless for their "crappy" current circumstances? This sounds like a patent copout. Frankly, I hear this type of irresponsible whitewashing from all sorts of losers who cannot accept their own shortcomings and must find external factors in order to protect their ever so fragile egos. However, until Poles fully accept responsibility for the "crappy" state of their country they will not progress and improve their country's situation.

How is Poland being dominated by a foreign power for 50 years their own fault? The West sold them out after ww2, and let the communists rule them. Now, after Poland overthrew the communists ON THEIR OWN, it's just taking a bit of time to get back on track.



Poles who have lived in scandie countries for a while would be extremly hard to tell apart from the native population, barring certain ethnical activities. Yet if a scandie would find out that their neighbour was actually Polish and not from that country they would find him undesireable, as I have heard is the case. Which to me just seems illogical, and therefore makes me curious. That was my only point.

I kind of agree with you on this point, but you have to understand where they're coming from. It is true that many Poles are subracially similar to many Scandanavians (and often more Nordic than many "Nordic Preservationists" who hang out on the net), but a large Polish ethnic population in Scandinavian countries is undesireable for the same reason that say, a huge French or German presence in Poland would be undesireable. That is because it wrecks the ethnic homogeneity of a country.

Loki
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 12:51 PM
I kind of agree with you on this point, but you have to understand where they're coming from. It is true that many Poles are subracially similar to many Scandanavians (and often more Nordic than many "Nordic Preservationists" who hang out on the net), but a large Polish ethnic population in Scandinavian countries is undesireable for the same reason that say, a huge French or German presence in Poland would be undesireable. That is because it wrecks the ethnic homogeneity of a country.

Also, everything cannot be explained through subrace alone. Culture is very important.

Marlboro
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 01:33 PM
3 reasons for why poles are not that welcome in my country(Norway):
1: Each year hundreds of poles drive to Norway and work illegaly, especially carpenters, cheating the government for tax money and taking our jobs.
2: Each summer poles, often in large groups, come here to steal. they drive around in the country and steal all they can before leaving. In my tiny town over 10 poles were arrested just last summer.
3: Maybe most important: The trucks. They come here in winter with shitty old trucks with a 30 ton load and expect to cross the Norwegian mountains on worn out tires. What happends? They crash off course, killing a norwegian Family(worst case) or we have to spend millions clearing up the mess(best case).

nemo
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 02:45 PM
Excellent, agreement between a Nord and a Nord-Med mongrel has been reached. How many of us will it take to table this proposal at the United Nations? I will happily donate my time (and possibly some money) to see it through to its logical conclusion.

If you weren't serious? this would be funny
:)

nemo
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 03:01 PM
Freedom of speech, remember that.

That's right! when you have freedom of speach it exposes the ignorant among us.

Stop talking about genocide of of non nordic people, because the people you want to kill, will wind up killing you and other nordicists first.

Besides you and your breed don't have the guts to do anything, but be some mythitical warriors on the internet.

nemo
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 03:11 PM
What ideas do you have? How would you do it, i'm waiting for you're realistic viewpoint, maybe the pipe dream isn't my idea of mass genocide but the fantasy of not needing, or wanting one, if you do believe in nordic preservation, do you?

First thing I would do is to get rid of of people like you who have hallucinations, and I would do it by what ever means is necessary.

Why don't you leave canada and go to scandinavia while your still breathing.

nemo
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 03:19 PM
Yes it would, but that would not solve the problem I was trying to address, ie. that the genes entailing the Nordic phenotype are recessive and disappearing, and that they don't conform to geo-political boundaries. Thus the way to ensure their preservation is through the drastic measures outlined in the proposal.

If you want to preserve the genes of nordics, why don't you put them in a jar soaked with vinegar.

Sorry cannot answer this thread serious, I really think some of you nordics need psychiatric help.

friedrich braun
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 04:47 PM
How is Poland being dominated by a foreign power for 50 years their own fault? The West sold them out after ww2, and let the communists rule them. Now, after Poland overthrew the communists ON THEIR OWN, it's just taking a bit of time to get back on track.



I kind of agree with you on this point, but you have to understand where they're coming from. It is true that many Poles are subracially similar to many Scandanavians (and often more Nordic than many "Nordic Preservationists" who hang out on the net), but a large Polish ethnic population in Scandinavian countries is undesireable for the same reason that say, a huge French or German presence in Poland would be undesireable. That is because it wrecks the ethnic homogeneity of a country.
Are Poles in any way responsible for developments since the fall of communism? Who can they conveniently blame for their shortcomings since then? The Jews? There no Jews in Poland today.

Johnny Reb
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 05:34 PM
Are Poles in any way responsible for developments since the fall of communism? Who can they conveniently blame for their shortcomings since then? The Jews? There no Jews in Poland today.

Yeah, they're responsible for bringing their country back from total poverty. It takes more than a week to repair decades of financial and political mismanagement of a whole country. I think they're par for the course, considering how long it took other European countries to rebuild after ww2, and considering the current shape of other ex-communist countries.

RoadScholar
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 05:58 PM
I kind of agree with you on this point, but you have to understand where they're coming from. It is true that many Poles are subracially similar to many Scandanavians (and often more Nordic than many "Nordic Preservationists" who hang out on the net), but a large Polish ethnic population in Scandinavian countries is undesireable for the same reason that say, a huge French or German presence in Poland would be undesireable. That is because it wrecks the ethnic homogeneity of a country.

I hope you aren't misunderstanding my objecive :) I am not trying to argue that Poles have a right to be in these countries. It's their land, they can do what they wish with it. I am just trying to get a survey on why scands think the way they do about us. However, I think I have done that. For the prupose of archiving and also for those who might be interested, here are the reasons us Poles are not welcome in Scandinavia, which I have gathered from posting the question on Stromfront and Scandinavian forums. Listed in order of how many mentioned it or how strongly they felt about it. Note, I'm just repeating (summarizing) the ideas, there are some I don't believe are true or disagree with, or even find downright ignorant:

1. Poles are slavs, who have a history of fighting with the germanic peoples.
2. Poland was a sattalite state of the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union having been pressuring the scandies during the Cold War.
3. Poland is a slavic country, thus they will always be different and closer to Russians than scands.
4. Germanic people have more ancestry in Scandinavia.
5. Poles are all low class and unhonourable people, who wil take low paying jobs.
6. Poles can not be trusted, and are probably working for the interest's of the USA.
7. As above, but Russian interests rather than American ones.
8. The Poles are slowly trying to expand Poland into scandinavia.
9. All poles are lazy and just sit on wealthfare.
10. Poles have no intention of intergrating, and do not learn their new country's language or way of life.
11. Poles drive crappy trucks and cause wrecks (first time I heard it :D)

I did not include the massive amounts of "poles are subhuman fags germany should bomb poland and destroy their capital of prague!@#$%^(" or other comparable idiocy..

Carst: Yes, I do think the Poles are responsible for their own improvement since communism. Who else is there? Nobody helped us. By the way, you are certainly the first to even mention this. Not even those who made blatant ethnicist remarks about us tried to argue that Poland's state of affairs reflects anything on the average Polish person.

With this in mind, let's stop the arguements about my people and get on to newer threads, :D

Loki
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 06:53 PM
4. Germanic people have more ancestry in Scandinavia.


What do you mean with this statement, and what is wrong with it? Scandinavia is the purest Germanic part on earth.

Loki
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 06:54 PM
3 reasons for why poles are not that welcome in my country(Norway):
1: Each year hundreds of poles drive to Norway and work illegaly, especially carpenters, cheating the government for tax money and taking our jobs.
2: Each summer poles, often in large groups, come here to steal. they drive around in the country and steal all they can before leaving. In my tiny town over 10 poles were arrested just last summer.
3: Maybe most important: The trucks. They come here in winter with shitty old trucks with a 30 ton load and expect to cross the Norwegian mountains on worn out tires. What happends? They crash off course, killing a norwegian Family(worst case) or we have to spend millions clearing up the mess(best case).

Thanks for this explanation, most honourable Norwegian! :) Now I understand a little better.

Telperion
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 07:20 PM
I'm a native of Canada, what if it were my opinion that lowly scands and Germans had no place in my country. I would at least grant you asking about my beliefs on the subject, which would be the rational thing to do. Furthermore, this was the only real point I was trying to get at. Poles who have lived in scandie countries for a while would be extremly hard to tell apart from the native population, barring certain ethnical activities. Yet if a scandie would find out that their neighbour was actually Polish and not from that country they would find him undesireable, as I have heard is the case. Which to me just seems illogical, and therefore makes me curious. That was my only point.


Living in Canada myself, I don't really think the comparison of Canada (or North American generally) to Scandinavia on this issue is appropriate. Since Canada's ethnic make-up is formed entirely through immigration (apart from the Natives), it would be very difficult for a particular European group to argue it has a greater right to live in the country than another group. Perhaps the French could make that argument in rural Quebec, but anywhere else it would be rather hypocritical (particuarly in the case of relatively more recently groups such as the Slavs).

By contrast, the Scandinavian countries are the ethnic and national homelands of these people. Some of them (e.g. Denmark) have long been sovereign countries, others (e.g. Norway) have had to struggle for sovereignty, which they have only attained relatively recently. If these countries are nation-states designed to be the homeland of their peoples, they have every right not to admit those of other cultures as legal residents and citizens, even if they are European. If the Norwegians don't want anyone other than other Scandinavians to settle in their country, that's their prerogative as I see it.

Nor does this principle only apply to Slavs, e.g. my Danish cousin once told me she has no problem with Swedes and Norwegians in her country, but wouldn't want a large number of German immigrants in Denmark (not that there are many of course). Not because there is anything wrong with them, but because their culture and language are, in her view, a bit too 'foreign' in comparison to those of Scandinavia for them to fit in in a completely smooth and seamless way, and Germany is so much larger than Denmark that it could easily drown-out Denmark's own language and culture if the ties between them were too close. Other Scandis might be more welcoming of the Germans than she is, but the point is their country is their ethnic-national homeland as a people, and they have the absolute right to decide who to admit to it or not. They are not accountable for such decisions to anyone other than themselves.

Basically, I think the situations of immigrant Euro-colonies versus the European ethnic-national homelands are totally distinct, and the solutions to their problems shouldn't flow from the same premises. I would never countenance an argument that any European ethnic group should be ejected wholesale from North America (or Australia etc.), but such an argument might well be valid in Europe, particularly for the smaller and more homogenous states such as Norway, which could easily be blotted out if they admitted too many immigrants.

RoadScholar
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 07:23 PM
What do you mean with this statement, and what is wrong with it? Scandinavia is the purest Germanic part on earth.

What I mean is it is common opinion, from my inquiries is that people from Scandinavia feel better about Germanic immigrants (Dutch, German, English, etc.) due to the fact that they have a greater chance of having ancestry in Scandinavia than slavic cultured Poles.

I did not give an opinion at all on this point. And I never said anything about ethnical makeup of scandinian countries? *confused*

RoadScholar
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 07:27 PM
Living in Canada myself, I don't really think the comparison of Canada (or North American generally) to Scandinavia on this issue is appropriate. Since Canada's ethnic make-up is formed entirely through immigration (apart from the Natives), it would be very difficult for a particular European group to argue it has a greater right to live in the country than another group. Perhaps the French could make that argument in rural Quebec, but anywhere else it would be rather hypocritical (particuarly in the case of relatively more recently groups such as the Slavs). \

You misunderstand me, that paragrapgh was an example used to show why I may care about my people being unwelcome in a country, wether I planned to go there or not. Not as an arguement for mass immigration of Poles to scandinavia or anything.

Loki
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 07:29 PM
What I mean is it is common opinion, from my inquiries is that people from Scandinavia feel better about Germanic immigrants (Dutch, German, English, etc.) due to the fact that they have a greater chance of having ancestry in Scandinavia than slavic cultured Poles.

I did not give an opinion at all on this point. And I never said anything about ethnical makeup of scandinian countries? *confused*

Oh, I understood your statement wrong.

Well, of course Scandinavians would relate more easily to other Germanic peoples than to Poles and other Slavs! Scandinavians are Germanic peoples, as are the Dutch, Germans and English - and their languages are cultures are also very similar.

Gesta Bellica
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 07:37 PM
Nor does this principle only apply to Slavs, e.g. my Danish cousin once told me she has no problem with Swedes and Norwegians in her country, but wouldn't want a large number of German immigrants in Denmark (not that there are many of course). Not because there is anything wrong with them, but because their culture and language are, in her view, a bit too 'foreign' in comparison to those of Scandinavia for them to fit in in a completely smooth and seamless way, and Germany is so much larger than Denmark that it could easily drown-out Denmark's own language and culture if the ties between them were too close. Other Scandis might be more welcoming of the Germans than she is, but the point is their country is their ethnic-national homeland as a people, and they have the absolute right to decide who to admit to it or not. They are not accountable for such decisions to anyone other than themselves.

Your cousin is what i call a true patriot and a person that really cares about her country and people.
I agree with her on every point and i apply the same rules for Northern Italy.

friedrich braun
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 07:49 PM
Constitutionally speaking Canada's two founding peoples are the English (or Anglo-Saxons) and the French. All of Canada's institutions are English in origin. The country belongs more to those two groups who have made it what it is than to any one else.






Living in Canada myself, I don't really think the comparison of Canada (or North American generally) to Scandinavia on this issue is appropriate. Since Canada's ethnic make-up is formed entirely through immigration (apart from the Natives), it would be very difficult for a particular European group to argue it has a greater right to live in the country than another group. Perhaps the French could make that argument in rural Quebec, but anywhere else it would be rather hypocritical (particuarly in the case of relatively more recently groups such as the Slavs).

By contrast, the Scandinavian countries are the ethnic and national homelands of these people. Some of them (e.g. Denmark) have long been sovereign countries, others (e.g. Norway) have had to struggle for sovereignty, which they have only attained relatively recently. If these countries are nation-states designed to be the homeland of their peoples, they have every right not to admit those of other cultures as legal residents and citizens, even if they are European. If the Norwegians don't want anyone other than other Scandinavians to settle in their country, that's their prerogative as I see it.

Nor does this principle only apply to Slavs, e.g. my Danish cousin once told me she has no problem with Swedes and Norwegians in her country, but wouldn't want a large number of German immigrants in Denmark (not that there are many of course). Not because there is anything wrong with them, but because their culture and language are, in her view, a bit too 'foreign' in comparison to those of Scandinavia for them to fit in in a completely smooth and seamless way, and Germany is so much larger than Denmark that it could easily drown-out Denmark's own language and culture if the ties between them were too close. Other Scandis might be more welcoming of the Germans than she is, but the point is their country is their ethnic-national homeland as a people, and they have the absolute right to decide who to admit to it or not. They are not accountable for such decisions to anyone other than themselves.

Basically, I think the situations of immigrant Euro-colonies versus the European ethnic-national homelands are totally distinct, and the solutions to their problems shouldn't flow from the same premises. I would never countenance an argument that any European ethnic group should be ejected wholesale from North America (or Australia etc.), but such an argument might well be valid in Europe, particularly for the smaller and more homogenous states such as Norway, which could easily be blotted out if they admitted too many immigrants.

Loki
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 08:06 PM
Your cousin is what i call a true patriot and a person that really cares about her country and people.
I agree with her on every point and i apply the same rules for Northern Italy.

Northern Italy is one of the most civilized areas on earth, and one of the richest and most prosperous. I certainly hope it will always stay distinctly Northern Italian.

Gesta Bellica
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 08:08 PM
Northern Italy is one of the most civilized areas on earth, and one of the richest and most prosperous. I certainly hope it will always stay distinctly Northern Italian.

i really hope the same..
But the situation is really tragic here

Loki
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 08:16 PM
i really hope the same..
But the situation is really tragic here

Why?

Gesta Bellica
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 08:28 PM
Why?
it's full of immigrants and the birthrate is drammatically low.

It's not like living in a multiracial society from the start, we are going doenhill at warp speed.
10 years ago we didn't have a single immigrant in my small town now, they are already the 10% officially.
It means at least the 20% in reality, considering the irregular immigrants.. And we are talking about a town of 2.5900 inhabitants, u can imagine the rest of the North.....

Loki
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 08:31 PM
it's full of immigrants and the birthrate is drammatically low.

It's not like living in a multiracial society from the start, we are going doenhill at warp speed.
10 years ago we didn't have a single immigrant in my small town now, they are already the 10% officially.
It means at least the 20% in reality, considering the irregular immigrants.. And we are talking about a town of 2.5900 inhabitants, u can imagine the rest of the North.....

Bad news. Where do these immigrants come from?

PS: I consider the northern Italians as my Germanic kin (Langobardi and Ostrogoths), and I support the Lega Nord in principle.

Gesta Bellica
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 08:41 PM
Bad news. Where do these immigrants come from?

PS: I consider the northern Italians as my Germanic kin (Langobardi and Ostrogoths), and I support the Lega Nord in principle.

From everywhere.. Maghreb, Latino America, China, Philippines, Black Africa, Albania, India....
We are exactly in the same situation as Germany, France etc

PS: Thanx for your esteem but i don't think that the average Northern Italian is subracially compatible ;) i assure you that my phenotype is quite common even if there are people that may look as mittle europeans too.
Anyway the cultural mind set is not so different, that's why Northern italians never had any major porblems to integrate in the German and Anglo Saxon worlds

Loki
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 08:48 PM
PS: Thanx for your esteem but i don't think that the average Northern Italian is subracially compatible ;) i assure you that my phenotype is quite common even if there are people that may look as mittle europeans too.

I know that true Nordic types are very rare in northern Italy, although they may still be found in the Valle D'Aosta and Piedmont? In any case, Germanic blood is flowing through the veins of many northern Italians, even though it may be a little diluted.


Anyway the cultural mind set is not so different, that's why Northern italians never had any major porblems to integrate in the German and Anglo Saxon worlds

This is true - I agree.

Telperion
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 08:57 PM
You misunderstand me, that paragrapgh was an example used to show why I may care about my people being unwelcome in a country, wether I planned to go there or not. Not as an arguement for mass immigration of Poles to scandinavia or anything.
I didn't think you were advocating mass immigration of Poles to Scandinavia, but my point is that in principle, you shouldn't apply the same standards on this issue to Scandinavia as you would to Canada. For example, if someone suggested that Poles aren't welcome in Canada, I'd say you'd be quite right to take exception to that. But if the Norwegians don't want Poles (or anyone) to settle in their country, in my view that's their prerogative. I'm not sure why you think they don't have the absolute right to decide who they do or don't want in their own nation-state, unless you think there is no difference in principle between a nation-state and an immigrant state.

Telperion
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 09:00 PM
Your cousin is what i call a true patriot and a person that really cares about her country and people.
I agree with her on every point and i apply the same rules for Northern Italy.
Thanks. I'll let her know people in other European countries share her perspective.

Gesta Bellica
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 09:02 PM
I know that true Nordic types are very rare in northern Italy, although they may still be found in the Valle D'Aosta and Piedmont? In any case, Germanic blood is flowing through the veins of many northern Italians, even though it may be a little diluted.



In the Alpine valleys u may find many of them but such lands are not densely inhabitated

Veneto and Friuli have a lot of people with bright eyes and lighter hair
also Liguria, in the south west, have many people like that.
I was for a weekend there lately and even a friend of mine (not racialist) noticed it..
Lombardy is the most fertile region that's why u can meet more people with dark hair, they are probably the remnants of the ancient pre-celtic settlers.

Some examples:
In my office over 8 people 3 have blond/dark blond hair and 5 bright eyes. we are all 100% Northern italians there.
My cousins on my mother side have dark blond hair and green eyes too.

The only phenotype that is entirely missing is the scandinavian one

Telperion
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 09:08 PM
Constitutionally speaking Canada's two founding peoples are the English (or Anglo-Saxons) and the French. All of Canada's institutions are English in origin. The country belongs more to those two groups who have made it what it is than to any one else.
(Not to go on a tangent...)

Constitutionally yes, and I'd agree that English and French language and culture should be dominant in their respective regions of the country. I can't agree Canada 'belongs' to those two groups in the sense of contributing more to it than anyone else. Celtic Brits, i.e. Irish, Welsh, Scots, and also Germans, Dutch, Scandinavians, as well as Poles etc. more recently, have settled huge portions of the country's territory and built large amounts of its infrastructure and economy. E.g. the Prairie provinces were overwhelmingly settled and developed by non-English pioneers. It is impossible to separate out the contributions made by the English versus other groups, as ethnic groups per se, to the development of the infrastructure and economy of 'English' Canada since the early 19th century. The more isolated regions of Quebec are the only part of the country I can think of that can properly be said to have been built only by one ethnic group.

But yes, English political culture and institutions are at the country's core, so no one should denegrate the vital contribution of the English (Anglo-Saxons) in this broader sense.