Separatists, unite!

[Frans_Jozef]

Coming together to ponder pulling apart

By Paul Nussbaum

The Philadelphia Inquirer
(MCT)
BURLINGTON, Vt. - Separatists, unite!

That was the pitch last weekend by neo-Confederates, New England free-staters, Hawaiian nationalists, and a clutch of other dissenters who want out of the United States.
The First North American Secessionist Convention, billed as the first national gathering of secessionists since the Civil War, included an eclectic mix of conservatives, liberals, libertarians, left-wing Green Party zealots, and right-wing Christian activists.
The bearded, denim-vested representative of the Alaskan Independence Party sat next to the United Texas Republic man in his gray suit and red tie, just across from the blond pony-tailed representative of Cascadia (better known as Oregon, Washington and British Columbia).
They joined folks from such disparate groups as the League of the South, the Confederate Legion, the Free State Project, Christian Exodus, Free Hawaii, the Alliance for Democracy, the Abbeville Institute, and the Center for Democracy and the Constitution.


All agreed on one thing: their disdain for "the empire" of modern America.
The latter-day separatists inveighed against government intrusion, the influence of corporations, and the loss of individual freedoms. They castigated the Patriot Act, the war in Iraq, and corruption in Congress.
"Reform is useless. Rebellion and revolution are useless," said Kirkpatrick Sale, a New York author who organized the session. "What is left? Secession."



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[Veritas Aequitas]

"Reform is useless. Rebellion and revolution are useless," said Kirkpatrick Sale, a New York author who organized the session. "What is left? Secession."


In the eyes of the White House, Secession can only be met with force of arms, as Lincoln displayed during the outbreak of Civil War I. He did so to restore the Union, so there isn't much stopping the present government (or any future government) from doing so again under that same premise. Therefore, Secession IS a rebellion, because there's no way in hell the White House will allow this to happen without the United States Military having a go. This meeting should have included the Bloc Québécois, since it would have had a far better impact on the world stage, as they are very quickly gaining more power and influence.

[Arrow]

This probably wont happen in my lifetime, but the seed is planted and major changes are instore for the United States as we know it today.

[Alizon Device]

I thought the film, 'The 2nd Civil War' was really entertaining.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120086

[Leofric]

I'm not certain the government would take military action if there were another secession. The worst-case scenario would be to send in the National Guard from some other state, but it would be far more likely that they'd not go beyond some federal agency if they attempted a use of force.

And either way, if a whole state were to secede (with its own National Guard), I don't think there would be anything like sufficient public support behind a forceful resolution. Our people have become far too soft for that on an individual level.

I can secession as a perfectly viable option in today's political climate. Fears of a repeat of the previous war, though well-grounded historically, don't coincide with contemporary reality, I think.

[Peter]

Is there independetist feeling in some state in US?

[Maryland]

Is there independetist feeling in some state in US?

Why yes, there is indeed a great deal of separatist sentiment in the US, depending on the area you're talking about. (You may want to check out some of the posts made by Georgia or myself, if you're interested.) It's not just in the South, although I'd certainly say it's the region with the strongest of such sentiment, and a prime example consists of areas in New England and the greater area of the Northeast (clearly not the urban areas though).

[Arrow]

Why yes, there is indeed a great deal of separatist sentiment in the US, depending on the area you're talking about. (You may want to check out some of the posts made by Georgia or myself, if you're interested.) It's not just in the South, although I'd certainly say it's the region with the strongest of such sentiment, and a prime example consists of areas in New England and the greater area of the Northeast (clearly not the urban areas though).


I'm originally from Georgia and live in Idaho today. There's strong hostility here in Idaho and the surrounding states towards the "East Coast". Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, Western Washington and Western Oregon feel that the eastern states dictate policy regarding our public land uses as well as making agricultural decisions that negatively impact this region. Sadly the people here can't seem to grasp the idea that these policies originate in the NORTHeast and not the southeast.

[Maryland]

I'm originally from Georgia and live in Idaho today. There's strong hostility here in Idaho and the surrounding states towards the "East Coast". Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, Western Washington and Western Oregon feel that the eastern states dictate policy regarding our public land uses as well as making agricultural decisions that negatively impact this region. Sadly the people here can't seem to grasp the idea that these policies originate in the NORTHeast and not the southeast.

Right, the South and the West are where you can find some of the last tracts of pristine wilderness and farmland not yet fully corrupted by the urban expansion and greed of the Northeast. It's no wonder that the citizens of these regions, including myself, are willing to defend it! Before I get a million messages about being "anti-Northern," I'm not; I'm anti-Yankee. I do differentiate between the two. The truth of the matter is that Yankees have complete control of the governments in the vast majority of the Northeast. But yes, there's still a great deal of anti-federal and regionalist sentiment outside of the South as well.

[SecondRow]

Is there independetist feeling in some state in US?

Unfortunately, the mexican invaders are leading this because of the globalist psychos running the government. A secessionist event mostly like to become reality first, imo, is southern California. Already, Los Angeles has a pro-Mexican/open borders mayor. It is only a matter of time before they start to actively defy the state and federal governments. Also, the whites have been moving out for several years. I give it maybe 5-10 years before the fireworks start. Our treasonous politicians are also too PC to send in troops to quell any serious uprising involving turd worlders. There not about to have soldiers firing on "poor immigrants" being broadcast on the news.

[darthantares]

Unfortunately, the mexican invaders are leading this because of the globalist psychos running the government. A secessionist event mostly like to become reality first, imo, is southern California. Already, Los Angeles has a pro-Mexican/open borders mayor. It is only a matter of time before they start to actively defy the state and federal governments. Also, the whites have been moving out for several years. I give it maybe 5-10 years before the fireworks start. Our treasonous politicians are also too PC to send in troops to quell any serious uprising involving turd worlders. There not about to have soldiers firing on "poor immigrants" being broadcast on the news.

I was debating with my father about possible scenarios that would have us losing the Southwest. He didn't think that they would not agitate for independence anytime soon since they are content to leach off the rest of the country's taxpayer money and resources. I'd guess I'd agree somewhat. Even though Hispanics would come to dominate everything culturally and politically in those states it probably might be the rest of the country who might be the first to want to cut them loose. After all, with the rate of expansion that is present with the mestizos and other foreign stock in California and other Western states can you imagine how much electoral clout they will have over the rest of us?

[Maryland]

Unfortunately, the mexican invaders are leading this because of the globalist psychos running the government. A secessionist event mostly like to become reality first, imo, is southern California. Already, Los Angeles has a pro-Mexican/open borders mayor. It is only a matter of time before they start to actively defy the state and federal governments. Also, the whites have been moving out for several years. I give it maybe 5-10 years before the fireworks start. Our treasonous politicians are also too PC to send in troops to quell any serious uprising involving turd worlders. There not about to have soldiers firing on "poor immigrants" being broadcast on the news.

I've usually looked at it to be that illegal immigration has only strengthened the preexisting resolve of the actual Americans of entire states/regions to secede. I realize some feel that one of the reasons for such heavy immigration from Latin America is to "reconquer" the lands won from Mexico, but I feel that illegals want to be a part of the federal government, as they prefer to feed off of its welfare programs and overall weakness than to officially return these lands to the control of a government that wants them out anyway. This is why Whites (although they're not the only race "disillusioned" by illegal immigration) in areas in the South and West have recently been calling even more for secession.

Edit: Oops, darthantares pretty much beat me to it!

[Peter]

Well, I am surprised, I felt that US would be a more united country that there is. With a crisis of culture and economics, could be US history?
And respect the iberoamericans immigrants, I don´t know why US can do more to avoid it, it isn´t so difficult. And I am sure, that there is more immigrants going in for aiports that for borders.