Sámi (photo thread)

[Evolved]

http://www.sametinget.se

[Evolved]

http://www.itv.se/boreale/ailohacc.jpg

http://www.samediggi.fi/henkilok/30kcopy.jpg

http://www.samediggi.fi/henkilok/36kcopy.jpg

[Evolved]

http://www.samediggi.fi/henkilok/28kcopy.jpg

http://www.samediggi.fi/henkilok/34kcopy.jpg

http://www.samediggi.fi/henkilok/332kcopy.jpg

http://www.samediggi.fi/henkilok/holmberg.jpg

http://www.samediggi.fi/henkilok/26kcopy.jpg

[Evolved]

http://www.samediggi.fi/henkilok/32kcopy.jpg

http://www.samediggi.fi/henkilok/nakkalae.jpg

http://www.samediggi.fi/henkilok/aikio_p2.jpg

http://www.samediggi.fi/henkilok/37kcopy.jpg

http://www.samediggi.fi/henkilok/anakkalaj.jpg

http://www.samediggi.fi/henkilok/40.jpg

http://www.samediggi.fi/henkilok/aarela1.jpg

[Evolved]

Photos of Sámi parliament in Norway (1MB PDF document)
http://www.samediggi.no/publishing/notat_eksternt/plakat.pdf

[NordicPower]

Interesting. It's like looking at varying degrees of mongoloid admixture. They all look different from each other but one thing is always the same, the nose is wide, and sometimes short. They also have strikingly broad lips.

[Evolved]

Here's some more of them. A few of them don't have any mongoloid features. :)

[NatRev]

Yeah but I reckon most of them could fit in quite well in an English summer fayre and not look out of place, exept for their folk costumes that is.

[Evolved]

x_love Lars-Anders Kuhmunen

http://www.saami-easterfestival.org/sat/kuhmunen.jpg

[Scáthach]

atleast he has great dress sense LG ;)

[Evolved]

After looking at hundreds of pictures of Sámis, I have to conclude that the majority are "white" and several of them are attractive to me. :eeek

[Tore]

After looking at hundreds of pictures of Sámis, I have to conclude that the majority are "white" and several of them are attractive to me.

Although Perhaps I am biased because I have reason to believe I have some Lapp ancestry, I would have to concur that only two or three looked "questionable" from a racial standpoint.

[Evolved]

x_love A cute Alpine.. :D
http://www.nsr.no/website/image.aspx?file=Files/bilder/Landsstyret/Klemet%20Erland.jpg&maxwidth=400&maxheight=400

[Evolved]

If any of the people shown in this thread went to a mongoloid country, do you think they would be mistaken as natives or even half-native? I personally don't see it.

[Zimmer Mann]

Of course not.

[Evolved]

Another Sámi who looks fully European. She's listed on a racialist website as a European woman. :)
http://www.elishastrom.com/Tradition/b.jpg

[cosmocreator]

Originally posted by ladygoeth33
Another Sámi who looks fully European. She's listed on a racialist website as a European woman. :)


She looks like she could be East Baltic. No?

[Loki]

Sami family from Sweden:

http://www.homepagez.com/morningstar/Sami.jpg

[Evolved]

This movie sounds really cool, BTW :cool

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0093668

[Loki]

Originally posted by ladygoeth33
Looks like Björk's grandma. :)

HG16, the Uralic haplogroup is not mongoloid. If you look at the populations which have known and well documented mongoloid admixture (such as Indians and Pakistanis), they have no HG16.


Uralics are not mongoloid, they are something else.

I agree with you ladygoeth33...

The epicentre of HG16 is in Finland, not in China :) And interestingly enough, the very Nordic-looking Finns have a higher proportion of HG16 than the Samis!! I find this fascinating. Another interesting fact is that Hungarians, who trace their Magyar history to Uralic roots, have no genetic sign of HG16 at all.... perhaps the HG16 is not Uralic, but merely a localised Finnish phenomenon.

[Evolved]

Ooh baby! So cute! :love

http://www.jus.uit.no/ansatte/somby/jpg/govva.jpg

[Evolved]

The Saami votive finds
Västerbotten, Gråträsk, Piteå, SHM 10501, 13019, 13154, 13226, 13554, 13615, 13884, 13972, 16838, 16839

The places of sacrifice are often located beside or near water, in the mountains and in the forests, several of them on the edges of precipices. Others are marked by large boulders or natural stones of peculiar shape, both of which were considered holy, siei'di (seite), as were complete hills or mountains.

At about ten places of sacrifice in the north of Sweden, metal objects have also been found from c. 1000 1350 AD, i.e. the late Viking era and early medieval period. Otherwise these places yielded bone and antler, often in thick layers. The artefacts are of silver, bronze, copper, tin-lead and iron and come from all over Northern Europe. They take the form of pendants and brooches, finger-rings and arm-rings, belt mounts, chain links, beads and coins. Many of the coins are Norwegian. Both coins and jewellery are pierced or have loops or other suspension arrangements. They could have been sewn on or hung up. Sometimes even a trace of woollen thread remains. They may have been worn as accessories, perhaps on the costume of the shaman (noaidi) in the manner familiar from Siberia, or they may have been hung on shaman drums. Ancient drums which have come down to us often have innumerable metal pendants which may have served as sacrifices, sources of additional power, adornment or sound-producers.

In about 1350, metal objects ceased to be deposited at these places, though the sacrifices of bone and antler continued. Presumably this was due to the Black Death or to the great changes which it entailed.

In August 1897, two boys went off hay-making near Gråträsk, Norrbotten. Near the small, partly drained Lake Tjautjer, they caught sight of a row of poles protruding along the old shoreline. Digging in the peat, they found traces of a large, peculiar "box" which seems to have been held down on the lake bed by the poles. Beneath a layer of birch bark and pieces of cloven wood, between layers of sticks and twigs, were innumerable small metal objects.

The objects are of silver, copper, tin and lead and of the same kind as those at the known places of sacrifice, but there is nothing votive about this particular find: neither antler, bone nor iron were discovered. Perhaps this was a hoard, a store or a thieves' hiding place for objects looted from places of sacrifice. More than a thousand objects have now emerged, and they range over a wide period, from the 8th to the 14th centuries. They were probably deposited on several different occasions and as long ago as the Middle Ages. well-preserved.

Most of the pendants are of tin and lead and are Saami handicraft. Tin and lead were mined mostly in England and Germany, and there was a lively tin trade in 14th century Europe. There are also small Russian pendants of silver, bronze and tin, e.g. crosses. Among the Saami, however, these crosses had no Christian significance.

The animal-shaped pendants may have been amulets. They were a part of the Fenno-Ugric woman's costume in North Russia and are often shaped like one or two horses or a duck. Depictions of horses and birds, web-footed birds especially, have served as ''protective spirits'' on Russian farmsteads right up to the present day.

All these foreign objects and metals must have represented an appreciable capital. In return the Saami mainly delivered furs of different kinds much sought-after status symbols, adorning the robes of kings and bishops.

The fur most often mentioned in medieval records is gråverk, i.e. the grey, long-haired winter fur of the squirrel. The dressed furs were counted in timmer, units of 40, and as such were legal tender. In the Northern European fur trade, marten fur was the finest yardstick of value, and as such applied not only to other furs but to completely different products. The republic of Novgorod in Russia was the centre of the entire European fur trade. Its wealth was founded on the furs collected as taxation. Those furs came from all over Northern Europe, and not least from the territories of the Saami, which at that time extended south-eastwards to the south of Finland, Ladoga, Onega and the White Sea, and westwards to the North Atlantic coast and Central Scandinavia.

http://www.historiska.se/collections/treasures/medel/76.jpg
The religious practices of the Saami (Lapps) involved sacrificing bone, antler and other parts of animals to various gods in order, for example, to preserve the reindeer herd, to obtain good fishing or to ensure that a journey would end happily. There were both large, public places of sacrifice and smaller ones for family use. Many of them remained in use after the Saami were deemed Christianised, in the mid-18th century.

http://www.historiska.se/collections/treasures/medel/47.jpg
Axe-shaped pendant perhaps made in Estonia. Pendants like this reached the Saamis through the fur trade, which had its center in the republic of Novgorod in Russia.

[Tore]

http://edition.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9810/21/donnie.marie/link.lonnie.anderson.jpg

I find that Loni Anderson is a good celebrity example of one with part/predominant Lappish ancestry.

From her surname and Minnesota birthplace, one can assume that her ancestry is part, if not exclusively, Scandinavian, and more specifically Swedish.

Coon writes in TRoE in the chapter dealing with the Lapps that a purer, less mixed, Lappish phenotype is found in Sweden.

Her natural hair colour is described as "raven," and the transition to being blond was made to spur her career in hollywood apparantly.

The overall appearance I find is similar to that of an Alpine, although the cheekbones are somewhat suspect...

[Nordhammer]

I find that Loni Anderson is a good celebrity example of one with part/predominant Lappish ancestry.


Possible... although Amerindian ancestry can't be ruled out. I would favor the latter actually in her case.

Differentiating between pseudo-Mongoloidism and real partial Mongoloidism seems difficult.

[Tore]

Possible... although Amerindian ancestry can't be ruled out. I would favor the latter actually in her case.

Amerindian ancestry is definitely possible.

I tried to find information on her ancestry but I came up empty-handed.

Perhaps an attempt to hide what may be in the in the woodpile?

I'll continue to look some more.

[Evolved]

She doesn't look like any Nordish type I can think of. She's a secret Saami. :hush

http://www.hissandpop.com/celebrities/a/lonianderson/photos/001.jpg

http://www.hissandpop.com/celebrities/a/lonianderson/photos/006.jpg

[cosmocreator]

You don't think she could be East Baltic?

[Tore]

You don't think she could be East Baltic?

Another possibility I suppose.

The two are often tough to distinguish between, yet to me, the childlike face and build suggest that a more robust, more Upper Paleolithic Ladogan strain is lacking, with the shorter, more refined, more neotenic Lappish strain present.

In edition, she is not depigmented like many EB's. (natural brunette with brown/hazel eyes).

[Nordhammer]

http://edition.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9810/21/donnie.marie/link.lonnie.anderson.jpg

I find that Loni Anderson is a good celebrity example of one with part/predominant Lappish ancestry.


She looks like an old Jewess in that one. lol Probably from too much plastic surgery.

[Götterschicksal]

http://www.elishastrom.com/Tradition/b.jpg

:love :drool

Which language need I learn to get with her?

[Tore]

She looks like an old Jewess in that one. lol Probably from too much plastic surgery.

lol.

Now that you mention it she does.

[Evolved]

If this lavvu's a-rockin', don't come a-knockin'. :naughty :inlove

[Tore]

Here is an exerpt from Coon's "The Living Races of Man"

I checked out the book from the library so there is no link unfortunately.

A number of specialists have tried to classify the Lapps racially, with conflicting results. The confusion has been caused by certain local, Lappish peculiarities that do not fit inot preconcieved racial frameworks. As their language and probable ethnic origin would suggest, they resemble the Ugrian-speaking Ural peoples in stature, facial form, hair texture, beard growth, and general pigmentation. Fewer than half have dark hair or eyes, and more than half have various shades of ash-blond hair, and mixed or light eyes. But the Lapps differ notably from the Ostyaks in the form of the head; their cranial vaults are long, wide, and low-vaulted, whereas the Ostyaks have narrower and higher heads. Lapp skulls tend to be flat on top, so that if one is placed on a table upside down it may not roll over. A possible explanation of this peculiarity may be suggested by their method of cradling. The Lapp cradle is made of a hollow tree trunk with a concave surface facing the back of the baby's head, and with a flat headboard. This may account for the fact that Lapps exhibit vault flattening instead of the occipital flattening found in Albanians and other Balkan peoples. Lapp teeth have very small crowns, comparable to those of Hungarians and Bushman, but the crowns are high and their roots are long, slender, and spiky. Also, the incisors and canines are relatively large and long in relation to the pre-molars and molars. The third molars are the smallest of the three. A study of the long bones reveals that whereas the ratio of upper-arm to forearm length is normal for Europeans, the tibia and fibula are relatively short, as in other Arctic peoples and in the Japanese. Furthermore, a congenital dislocation of the head of the femur is relatively common among Lapps , particularly among women. This is explained partly by the angle of torsion of that bone and partly by a shallow acetabulum with a defective upper rim. The heredity of this condition has been studied. All in all, these studies suggest that the Lapps are descendents of ordinary Ural people mixed with Norwegians, Finns, and possibly earlier inhabitants of the Far North, strongly influenced by their Arctic environment, subjected to an unusual type of cradling, and inbred. As for their blood groups , as far as we know they do not differ greatly from the Ostyaks, but we are not sure. The A group among the Lapps has not yet been broken down inot A-1 and A-2. Even if the Lapps turn out to be more deviant from the Ural peoples than would now appear, this should cause no surprise in view of their history and experiences.

[crazy_hun]

I agree with you ladygoeth33...

The epicentre of HG16 is in Finland, not in China :) And interestingly enough, the very Nordic-looking Finns have a higher proportion of HG16 than the Samis!! I find this fascinating. Another interesting fact is that Hungarians, who trace their Magyar history to Uralic roots, have no genetic sign of HG16 at all.... perhaps the HG16 is not Uralic, but merely a localised Finnish phenomenon.
Indian/Pakistani people have Mongoloid admixture,dont think so! Muslims from Souther Asia are a mixture of Arab/Persian and indigineous Australoids such as in Pakistan and Northern India while non-muslim Indians and Bengalis are similar to Malays and Indonesians