Russian types

[Ross]

http://actors.khv.ru/indexa.htm
http://actors.khv.ru/indexk.htm
http://actors.khv.ru/indexs.htm

That's galleries of USSR actors. Up to 50% are Russians (out of 46 "As" 24 have non-Russian names, while some of the others are/can be Jewish).

Speaking about Russians (portrayed in these galleries) I estimate the Nordic share at 30-35% (in the Guenther's sense), Baltic/UP at 20-30% and the rest are East-Baltics (both of Nordic and Baltic origin) and different Asiatic and Med types.

So Gentlemen and Ladies, how many Nordics and UPs you can see here? Overall, IMO, 15% Nordics and 10-15% "Baltic" UPs. Shares of Ukes and Latvians/Lithuanians are not important, besides, they're mostly EB...

[Ross]

Russian Types from an anthropological book

[Ross]

Sorry for bad quality.

[Ross]

There are two main anthropological zone in Russia proper (that's Russia within borders of the Great Duchy of Moscow in 14-15th centuries):

1. Western Great Russian zone
2. Eastern Great Russian zone

Up until 60s (when several big anthropological expeditions were organized in Russia, Ukraine and Bielorussia) anthropologists had no relevant, verified data even on the living population, and only in 80-90s they've got enough paleoanthropological data (on ancient population which lived 1500-500 years back) for comparison (to establish ethnical and racial roots). Besides, it wasn't allowed to write about RACES in the Soviet times, only TYPES, it was possible to use only "Northern Europid" - "Southern Europid" categories, thou Europid-Mongolid question was freely discussed, and, perhaps, it was possible to mention pre-revolutional and foreign anthropological concepts (and thus Races, like Nordic, Alpine etc).

The last person who used Racial terms in the Soviet Times was Bunak (and he stoped to use them in 30s), who supported the concept of the Baltic Race, and Europid charater of the Uralic (partially Coon's Ladogan) Race, thus it's rather hard to correlate anthropological types with Races. Fortunatly, in the latest books Racial categories were revitalized, and now I can enlighten you, reader :D about Racial composition of Russians, as well as Bielorussians, Ukrainians and Balts and Finns... and even Germans!

So the first zone - Western Great Russian - can be considered as Balto-Nordic. On average, pigmentation is lighter (or at least equale) than in Scandinavia.

Two types: Valdai and Ilmen-Dnepr.

Valdai type is Baltic, and was formed on the basis of the (Eastern) Bruenn Race. Tall stature (btw, gentlemen, Russians used to be on the tallest nation with Swedes and Norses before 1864, but after it, due to worse economical condition, my nation somewhat shrank :-/), CI 81-83, light pigmentation, middle to narrow face, narrow to middle nose. Pigmentation is equale or a *bit* darker than in Scandinavia. This type was represented by ancient Balts and influenced by Nordic/BA Slavs.

Ilmen Dnepr type is generalized BA in origine, greatly influenced by Baltic strain. Tall stature, CI 79-81, narrow face, narrow nose. Pigmentation is equale or lighter than in Scandinavia.

Both types are high-skulled. Nowhere in Russia head's height is less than 130-132mm, and that's great than with Troenders.

Second zone - Eastern Great Russian - can be considered Nordic - Med - Baltic (there are purer enclaves, of course).

Two or three main types:

Don-Sursk type - Nordic-Med, with Baltic admixture, CI 78-79, narrow face, narrow nose, due to Med admixture head's height is smaller - only 130mm (?)

Upper Volga type - Nordic-Baltic-Med CI 79-80 etc

And of course there are many mixes of these types, such as the East-European type of the Central Russia which is composed of all these types with EB admixture in the East.

Of course, this ancient (19th century) system based on pigmentation, but, perhaps, it reflects ethnogenesis of Russians better, so it's favored.

In NE and in the East of Central Russia slight Monglid influence detected, but in the Russia proper (without later colonized NE Russia) EB Race has only 2%.

EB types are mainly represented by the Volga-Kama group of Russians and the White Sea group of Northen Finns (Karelians, Vepses etc).

regards

PS. First two pics are for the Ilmen-Dnepr group, both are Nordic of the BA Race, second two pics are for the Volga-Kama group, first is BA with slight EB admixture, second is Baltic (I fail to see real Mongoloidism). Third two pics are for the SW mixed zone (bordering Ukraine), first one is Baltic, second is Med/Dinaric?
Last two pics are for the Don-Sursk group. First is Nordic/Baltic/Med, second is Nordic/BA, probably with Med admixture.

PPS. To be continued

[Tore]

In NE and in the East of Central Russia slight Monglid influence detected, but in the Russia proper (without later colonized NE Russia) EB Race has only 2%.

Welcome back Ross! You have been absent for a little while I've noticed.

What you claim makes sense genetically.

The presense of hg 12 equates to mongoloid admixture.
As you can see, the Russians are said to 4% of hg 12, yet this most likely includes more than just Russia proper.

hg 12

Mari 17
Czech 6
Estonian 4
Russian 4
Yugoslavian 2
Cypriot 2
Finnish 2

[Stríbog]

Who are the Mari?

[goidelicwarrior]

Originally posted by Ross
Sorry for bad quality.

for some reason Mengele made medic tests on these...

[Tore]

Who are the Mari?

A Siberian ethnic group I believe.

[Hermod]

Recently I have found data that Russia is the most numerous Nordic nation. Hmmm...I wonder why I don't see it on the usual Nordicist Fetish pages.
It seems that countries like Russia, Belrussia and Ukraine are the true reservoirs of the White Race despite the Tatar minorities.
Perhaps Russian nationalists during Tzar which called Russia to be "The Third Rome" are not far from the truth. Perhaps Russia shall be the country that shall liberate the West from Jewish multicultural race-mixers and muds.

[Ross]

Hello Trønder,

I don't make claims, it's "official" anthropological data, I just summarized it.

I believe both HG12/HG16 and HG26 are Mongoloid markers, as they perfectly (more or less, of course) match the current racial situation and racial history.

Actually, genetical data can't correspond to anthropological surveys, at least now.

Where were the genetical tests taken? Who knows... I can only guess that a rather representative sample from small Bielorussia shows the real level of Mongolid admixture in the Baltic (Valdai) and Nordic (Ilmen-Dnepr) local types, and as these types are the absolute majority in Russia proper...

The problem is that anthropologists recognize as ethnical Russians only population of Russia proper, that's in the borders of 15th century. In the past 100 years there was a lot of movement from outer regions to cities, esp. Moscow, where, I believe, these samples were taken... no need to travel to Novgorod, huh? or take one sample per region - it's absurd! (only abou 100 samples were taken)... I can also conclude, that the incredible level of Near East genes comes from the Moscow Jews, as Ukraine and Bielorussia are low/null in Near East markers.

Listen, triskel

Have you no honour? You've not responded me - is it ok for you to be known as a liar?

[Tore]

I don't make claims, it's "official" anthropological data, I just summarized it.

My apologies. Perhaps I used the incorrect terminology.

I believe both HG12/HG16 and HG26 are Mongoloid markers, as they perfectly (more or less, of course) match the current racial situation and racial history.

I agree that hg 16, or Uralic haplogroup is not native to Europe, yet would you not say that its presense in Finland, Russia, and the Baltic is too great for it to be mongoloid?

hg 16

Finnish 61
Lithuanian 47
Saami 42
Estonian 37
Mari 33
Latvian 32
Chuvash 18
Russian 14
Ukranian 11
Northern Swedish 8
Gotlander 6
Norwegian 4
Polish 4
German 3
Armenian 3
Slovakian 3
Belarusian 2
Danish 2
Turkish 1

[Evolved]

The Mari emerged as a distinct ethnic group in the 6th century. They came under the Khazar Empire in the 8th century and then were ruled by the Volga Bulgars from the mid-9th to 12th centuries. Mari territory was conquered by the Mongol Tatars in the 1230s and was ruled by the Kazan Khanate until annexation by the Russians in 1552.

Eastern Mari (http://www.rusin.fi/eastmari/home.htm)

Government of Mari-El (http://gov.mari.ru/)

Vasli's Homepage (http://lepo.it.da.ut.ee/~vasli/)

http://www.maritour.com/images/squirrel1.jpg
He must be a Russian. :)

Originally posted by NordischesBlutundEhre
Who are the Mari?

[Ross]

Troender,

It seems Mongolid admixture has far smaller effect than Negroid...

Anyway, I don't believe in this figures much. More detailed studies show lesser incidence of HG16 in Eastern Europe.
Besides, with Maternal Lines being very low we can suppose X/2 = amount of Mongoloid admixture.

So these fugures are good for Europe as a whole, not specific countries. We just cansee that Mongolid admixture in Bielorussia is very low, and it's higher in Russia and Ukraine - reasons are clear...


hg 16

Finnish 61
Lithuanian 47
Saami 42
Estonian 37
Mari 33
Latvian 32
Chuvash 18
Russian 14
Ukranian 11
Northern Swedish 8
Gotlander 6
Norwegian 4
Polish 4
German 3
Armenian 3
Slovakian 3
Belarusian 2
Danish 2
Turkish 1

[goidelicwarrior]

Originally posted by Ross
Hello Trønder,

I don't make claims, it's "official" anthropological data, I just summarized it.

I believe both HG12/HG16 and HG26 are Mongoloid markers, as they perfectly (more or less, of course) match the current racial situation and racial history.

Actually, genetical data can't correspond to anthropological surveys, at least now.

Where were the genetical tests taken? Who knows... I can only guess that a rather representative sample from small Bielorussia shows the real level of Mongolid admixture in the Baltic (Valdai) and Nordic (Ilmen-Dnepr) local types, and as these types are the absolute majority in Russia proper...

The problem is that anthropologists recognize as ethnical Russians only population of Russia proper, that's in the borders of 15th century. In the past 100 years there was a lot of movement from outer regions to cities, esp. Moscow, where, I believe, these samples were taken... no need to travel to Novgorod, huh? or take one sample per region - it's absurd! (only abou 100 samples were taken)... I can also conclude, that the incredible level of Near East genes comes from the Moscow Jews, as Ukraine and Bielorussia are low/null in Near East markers.

Listen, triskel

Have you no honour? You've not responded me - is it ok for you to be known as a liar?

ha ha...

You mean this.. quit the vodka.. its not healthy for you...

Another Germanic Untermensch ( 1 2 3 4 ... Last page ) Ross 96 1011 01-20-2003 05:44 PM
by Ross

[Ross]

Originally posted by triskel
ha ha...

You mean this.. quit the vodka.. its not healthy for you...

Another Germanic Untermensch ( 1 2 3 4 ... Last page ) Ross 96 1011 01-20-2003 05:44 PM
by Ross

I've asked you to QUOTE ME.

You wrote: you slander any nationallity exept Russians....

Can't you back your words?[

[Prodigal Son]

Originally posted by ladygoeth33
http://www.maritour.com/images/squirrel1.jpg[/IMG]
He must be a Russian. :)

THis looks like a more typicla Mari:

http://www.maritour.com/ladies/2_1.jpg

[goidelicwarrior]

Originally posted by Ross
I've asked you to QUOTE ME.

You wrote: you slander any nationallity exept Russians....

Can't you back your words?[

what ever you say...x_p

[Ross]

Originally posted by triskel
what ever you say...x_p

Sure... I haven't in fact asked for the proofs, as I know there couldn't be any, I rather given you a chance to bring your apologies. You lost your chance, as well as my respect with your (wanna) mockery.

I've foolishly stood up for SEs several times... not to be repeated.

Answering your question... when? when our Swedish brothers will clean all the swarthy trash out of Sweden, back to Moorlands.

:Armed :Armed :Armed :Armed :Armed :Armed :Armed :Armed :Armed

[goidelicwarrior]

Originally posted by Ross
Sure... I haven't in fact asked for the proofs, as I know there couldn't be any, I rather given you a chance to bring your apologies. You lost your chance, as well as my respect with your (wanna) mockery.

I've foolishly stood up for SEs several times... not to be repeated.

Answering your question... when? when our Swedish brothers will clean all the swarthy trash out of Sweden, back to Moorlands.

:Armed :Armed :Armed :Armed :Armed :Armed :Armed :Armed :Armed

stood up for.. let me see... how many times have I read moor.. arab, you name it.. I would be a bit careful being Russian, are you going to clean up yourselves:eek: dont be so idiotic, most Russian refugees are exactly the trash you describe.. funny you use that word often, when its you guys that resembles trash whereever you show up, I am pretty tired of you spewing words aswell, where do you get that cockyness from?? .. dont pretend to to be so pure, your nation is one of the most questionable there is..
Finally Ross, you cant touch my ancestors.. true Europeans that never met any Moor or Mongol, cant help you there..

[Ross]

Yeah, stood up for - the mistake I'll never do again...

I thought the problem is only with you making silly claims etc (I several times proposed you to explaine yourself and strigthen things out - but the only answers I got were "what ever you say" pathetic mockery or silence - most irritating for a generous offer... okey, I got you finally), but now I see that it's the common attitude among envious libelous Southrons.

I'll deal with your swarthy gang later. With vengeance, I promise.

[goidelicwarrior]

Originally posted by Ross
Yeah, stood up for - the mistake I'll never do again...

I thought the problem is only with you making silly claims etc (I several times proposed you to explaine yourself and strigthen things out - but the only answers I got were "what ever you say" pathetic mockery or silence - most irritating for a generous offer... okey, I got you finally), but now I see that it's the common attitude among envious libelous Southrons.

I'll deal with your swarthy gang later. With vengeance, I promise.

wich gang? its only me and I am not swarthy....

[Ross]

chakals don't marauding alone...

not swarthy? you mean you're not black-skinned?

[goidelicwarrior]

Originally posted by Ross
chakals don't marauding alone...

not swarthy? you mean you're not black-skinned?

ha..I posted a pic and you said.. I quote you: you look aryan wich way do you want it?

[Ross]

You don't look Aryan, that's for sure.

You look SE, like Arabs, Jews and Moors...

[goidelicwarrior]

Originally posted by Ross
You don't look Aryan, that's for sure.

You look SE, like Arabs, Jews and Moors...

dident you get anything to eat today? I never said slavs where inferior untermenschen, but I sure have seen a lot of posts saying that.. OK, the creatures you mention had once been there.. however they where expelled.. but what you dont seem to want to understand is that the asian element is high very high among yourselves with exeptions... your leaders sure where swarthy mongols.. not much to be proud over,, and today we see what you are able to achieve.. nothing.. your nation is compareable with black Africa in social and economic matters.. so shut up! how many nationalities was the soviet union ? 100 ? off course they mixed around to the right and left.. you have a big mouth living in your dreams, I only pity that even Russians try to come to our sunny shores because they are just criminals all of them, other Europeans immigrate in their thousands and they are welcome.. not this type thoughx_p

[Ross]

dident you get anything to eat today? I never said slavs where inferior untermenschen

who cares...

OK, the creatures you mention had once been there.. however they where expelled

wet dreams...

but what you dont seem to want to understand is that the asian element is high very high among yourselves with exeptions...

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA

Your words are empty, like your head...

Russians of course DO have a tiny Mongolid admixture (and Spaniards do Mongolid admixture too, as well as more significant Negroid), but it's less than with Germans, Swedes or Norses...

And I hope you don't have illusions that a swarthy Med (which can be hardly differentiated from Near Eastern types or quadroons) will be preferred before a Nordish person with theoretical Mongoloid admixture, which anyway can't influence the phenotype?

your leaders sure where swarthy mongols..

wet dreams...

today we see what you are able to achieve.. nothing.. your nation is compareable with black Africa in social and economic matters..

We had hard times before and always resumed to the world dominance... and what's about Spain? Spain is NOTHING since Whites foolishly intermarried with you Moors... anyway, even with achievements of Spanish Whites/Goths can't be even compared with our achievements... :-)))))))))))

how many nationalities was the soviet union ? 100 ? off course they mixed to the right and left..

yeah, much more than 100... sure they mixed... but your Spain is a tiny bitchy country, and Russia is huge. It was huge, it's huge and it'll be huge. And I don't care for Tatars mixing with Finns...

Funny you talk about mixtures, your swarthy kin had no objection mixing with Negroes and Asians in Africa and Latin America, and many trash was brought to Spain and assimilated... I gthar this time you half-Jews didn't even object :D

other Europeans immigrate in their thousands and they are welcome..

Muds always want to live near Nords... When will you move back to your Moor lands, triskel? Don't you consider your kin too swarthy for you? You want to live among whites? I hope you don't dare even to keep in mind Nordish females? Refrain yourself to local Turks and Arabs, please...

[goidelicwarrior]

Originally posted by Ross
dident you get anything to eat today? I never said slavs where inferior untermenschen

who cares...

OK, the creatures you mention had once been there.. however they where expelled

wet dreams...

but what you dont seem to want to understand is that the asian element is high very high among yourselves with exeptions...

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA

Your words are empty, like your head...

Russians of course DO have a tiny Mongolid admixture (and Spaniards do Mongolid admixture too, as well as more significant Negroid), but it's less than with Germans, Swedes or Norses...

And I hope you don't have illusions that a swarthy Med (which can be hardly differentiated from Near Eastern types or quadroons) will be preferred before a Nordish person with theoretical Mongoloid admixture, which anyway can't influence the phenotype?

your leaders sure where swarthy mongols..

wet dreams...

today we see what you are able to achieve.. nothing.. your nation is compareable with black Africa in social and economic matters..

We had hard times before and always resumed to the world dominance... and what's about Spain? Spain is NOTHING since Whites foolishly intermarried with you Moors... anyway, even with achievements of Spanish Whites/Goths can't be even compared with our achievements... :-)))))))))))

how many nationalities was the soviet union ? 100 ? off course they mixed to the right and left..

yeah, much more than 100... sure they mixed... but your Spain is a tiny bitchy country, and Russia is huge. It was huge, it's huge and it'll be huge. And I don't care for Tatars mixing with Finns...

Funny you talk about mixtures, your swarthy kin had no objection mixing with Negroes and Asians in Africa and Latin America, and many trash was brought to Spain and assimilated... I gthar this time you half-Jews didn't even object :D

other Europeans immigrate in their thousands and they are welcome..

Muds always want to live near Nords... When will you move back to your Moor lands, triskel? Don't you consider your kin too swarthy for you? You want to live among whites? I hope you don't dare even to keep in mind Nordish females? Refrain yourself to local Turks and Arabs, please...

you must have a hard life....x_zzz

[Ross]

Originally posted by triskel
you must have a hard life....x_zzz

I appreciatte you let me know you enjoyed it :-))))))